How Long Will A UPS Hold Power When Unplugged?

Hi,

We have frequent power interruptions. I would like to take advantage of
the occasionaly good deals on UPSs to use them as temporary power
sources for lighting and maybe a small TV.

We don't have a good place to leave them constantly plugged in. Will a
strategy of periodic charging work?

Thanks,
Gary

"Gary Brown" <garyjbrown@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> We have frequent power interruptions. I would like to take advantage of
> the occasionaly good deals on UPSs to use them as temporary power
> sources for lighting and maybe a small TV.
>
> We don't have a good place to leave them constantly plugged in. Will a
> strategy of periodic charging work?
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
>

"good deals on UPSs" suggests to me you are talking
about the small units that plug into the wall and provide
a couple of protected outlets for your computer/equip.
They have built-in sealed batteries, of a defined size and
capacity. They just plug in at the same place your
equipment would have.

What would make more sense for emergency power
to run some "lighting and a small TV" would be a couple
of Deep Discharge batteries a trickle charger and an
inverter.

You can mount everything on a small hand cart and
add a power strip. Then you would have the trickle
charger plugged in, with it in your garage or somewhere
else out of the way, until you needed the power.

I would add a 12V DC outlet/cigarette lighter fixture
as well, for those things that you can use 12v for. (that
will also give you more running time off the batteries)

Built right it need not be much larger than a large
upright vacuum cleaner.

Luck;
Ken

On Tue, 15 May 2007 14:05:34 -0400, "Gary Brown"
<garyjbrown@charter.net> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>We have frequent power interruptions. I would like to take advantage of
>the occasionaly good deals on UPSs to use them as temporary power
>sources for lighting and maybe a small TV.
>
>We don't have a good place to leave them constantly plugged in. Will a
>strategy of periodic charging work?
>
>Thanks,
>Gary
>


Yes but not very well since you'd have to keep dragging them
back to the outlet to charge them and any UPS large enough
to run lights and a TV for very long is going to be fairly
large and significant weight, cost.

I suggest instead that you consider 12V lighting system, 12V
capable TV if possible, then a larger 12V deep cycle battery
and charger. Doing without the UPS, no conversion to ~ 110V
will improve efficiency as well providing you use same
lighting technology. IE - not contrasting 110V fluorescent
with 12V incandescent bulbs since the former are more
efficient than the latter.

The other thing not mentioned is if the UPS can't be left
plugged in, how is it you are powering the TV and lights
with no plug? UPS plugs into outlet, TV and lights plug
into it.

On May 15, 11:05 am, "Gary Brown" <garyjbr...@charter.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have frequent power interruptions. I would like to take advantage of
> the occasionaly good deals on UPSs to use them as temporary power
> sources for lighting and maybe a small TV.
>
> We don't have a good place to leave them constantly plugged in. Will a
> strategy of periodic charging work?
>
> Thanks,
> Gary

UPSes are generally lead acid batteries, they can hold a considerable
charge for weeks, or even months, left unplugged.

How MUCH charge, and exactly how long that charge will hold has a
considerable amount of variance.

The time a ups will continue to supply power for depends on the power
drain.


I don't recommend them for non-computer stuff, for the simple reason
that the high pitched squeal they make when suppling battery power is
REALLY annoying. Designed that way on purpose as a "Hey moron!, save
your work and shut your computer down NOW!" kind of thing.

"paulmd@efn.org" wrote:
> "Gary Brown" <garyjbr...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> We have frequent power interruptions. I would like to take
>> advantage of the occasionaly good deals on UPSs to use them as
>> temporary power sources for lighting and maybe a small TV.
>>
>> We don't have a good place to leave them constantly plugged in.
>> Will a strategy of periodic charging work?
>
> UPSes are generally lead acid batteries, they can hold a
> considerable charge for weeks, or even months, left unplugged.
>
> How MUCH charge, and exactly how long that charge will hold has a
> considerable amount of variance.
>
> The time a ups will continue to supply power for depends on the
> power drain.
>
> I don't recommend them for non-computer stuff, for the simple
> reason that the high pitched squeal they make when suppling
> battery power is REALLY annoying. Designed that way on purpose
> as a "Hey moron!, save your work and shut your computer down
> NOW!" kind of thing.

The output waveform is also peculiar, and satisfactory for CPU
power supplies, but not for many other things. It is likely to
have very high harmonic content. However, a decent one won't
squeal.

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On May 16, 6:54 pm, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "pau...@efn.org" wrote:
> > "Gary Brown" <garyjbr...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >> We have frequent power interruptions. I would like to take
> >> advantage of the occasionaly good deals on UPSs to use them as
> >> temporary power sources for lighting and maybe a small TV.
>
> >> We don't have a good place to leave them constantly plugged in.
> >> Will a strategy of periodic charging work?
>
> > UPSes are generally lead acid batteries, they can hold a
> > considerable charge for weeks, or even months, left unplugged.
>
> > How MUCH charge, and exactly how long that charge will hold has a
> > considerable amount of variance.
>
> > The time a ups will continue to supply power for depends on the
> > power drain.
>
> > I don't recommend them for non-computer stuff, for the simple
> > reason that the high pitched squeal they make when suppling
> > battery power is REALLY annoying. Designed that way on purpose
> > as a "Hey moron!, save your work and shut your computer down
> > NOW!" kind of thing.
>
> The output waveform is also peculiar, and satisfactory for CPU
> power supplies, but not for many other things. It is likely to
> have very high harmonic content. However, a decent one won't
> squeal.
>
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It's an alarm. A repeating beeeeep, beeeeeep. Not an effect of the
power drain itself. The APC units DEFINATELY alarm. Perhaps not all
UPSes do that.

A few weeks ago it was my job to dismantle a palette full of "dead"
UPSes. The task was simple, clip cords, remove battery and move on.
However one of the units wasn't quite dead enough, and in the brutal
process, the switch turned on. Identifying which one of the UPSes was
giving it's death knell, cord clipped, awaiting it's final execution,
in a pile of 60 or so was a task in itself! The thing chirped for a
good hour while other units were getting battery-ectomies. About every
10 minutes someone would wander in to complain about the beeping,
whereupon they were invited to identify the beeping unit!

In message <1179419484.670103.252900@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups .com>
"paulmd@efn.org" <paulmd@efn.org> wrote:

>About every
>10 minutes someone would wander in to complain about the beeping,
>whereupon they were invited to identify the beeping unit!

And did they?

I've never tried a UPS, but I can pick out the lone CRT left on in a lab
of 30-60 computers by sound alone.

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On May 17, 11:09 am, DevilsPGD <spam_narf_s...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> In message <1179419484.670103.252...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups .com>
>
> "pau...@efn.org" <pau...@efn.org> wrote:
> >About every
> >10 minutes someone would wander in to complain about the beeping,
> >whereupon they were invited to identify the beeping unit!
>
> And did they?
>

Eventually.


> I've never tried a UPS, but I can pick out the lone CRT left on in a lab
> of 30-60 computers by sound alone.
>
> --
> We know America is a great nation! Where else could a poor black boy
> be born in utter poverty and end up a rich white man?
> Only in America!