which is the "C" drive?

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:12:19 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote:


>> cannot find a location field!
>
> It may be hard or too small to read, and you haven't tried hard enough.
>Cuz I am vey sure there should be labels for just about all parts on the

Joel,

Sorry! I missed the Location info - it was on the General tab page
using Device Manager/disks.

the first hard disk listed has Location 0 (0)

the second one listed has 1 (1)


What does this mean, together with the BIOS info? How do I tie
together the Location 0 with either SATA0 or SATA1?

IDE Channel 0 Master -[ the DVDRW]
IDE Channel 0 Slave - [the DVD]

IDE Channel 1 Master - [S_ATA1-Hitachi etc]
IDE Channel 1 Slave - [S_ATA2-Hitachi etc]

(NB the S_ATA1 and S_ATA2 above)

also

x SATA Port 0 configure as IDE Sec. Master
SATA Port 1 configure as IDE Sec. Slave

Cheers

Geoff

"Geoff Cox" <gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:02:31 -0400, "Ian D" <taurus@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>Something in you original post that puzzles me, is that you
>>said booting off D: made the files inaccessible. If a bootable
>>drive is not present, the BIOS boot process should give you
>>an error message and suspend. If you do have boot files on
>>D:, the best thing to do is rename them so that if the system
>>does try to boot from D: it will give files not found errors and
>>halt the boot process, therefore no harm done, and you know
>>which HD is C:.
>
> the above happened some time ago on a previous PC.
>
> Cheers
>
> Geoff

Well then, pull the cable from the SATA 1 connector. If
the PC boots, or not, you now will know which physical
drive is which. Another way to resolve this is to use a utility
which reads the SMART info from the drives to find the
serial numbers, although that will require pulling the drives
to read the SN's, unless you can read the top drive's SN.

Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:12:19 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> cannot find a location field!
> >
> > It may be hard or too small to read, and you haven't tried hard enough.
> >Cuz I am vey sure there should be labels for just about all parts on the
>
> Joel,
>
> Sorry! I missed the Location info - it was on the General tab page
> using Device Manager/disks.
>
> the first hard disk listed has Location 0 (0)
>
> the second one listed has 1 (1)
>
>
> What does this mean, together with the BIOS info? How do I tie
> together the Location 0 with either SATA0 or SATA1?
>
> IDE Channel 0 Master -[ the DVDRW]
> IDE Channel 0 Slave - [the DVD]

It means whatever drive is on PORT-0 (first port)

> IDE Channel 1 Master - [S_ATA1-Hitachi etc]
> IDE Channel 1 Slave - [S_ATA2-Hitachi etc]

This means whatever drive is on PORT-1 (2nd port)

> (NB the S_ATA1 and S_ATA2 above)
>
> also
>
> x SATA Port 0 configure as IDE Sec. Master
> SATA Port 1 configure as IDE Sec. Slave

I haven't looked at the CMOS setting, but it's very possible that the CMOS
Menu may give some detail information of which drive is which. If you have
EIDE & SATA then it may tell which is SATA which is EIDE just like it states
IDE, CD, 3-1/4, 5-1/2 floppy etc..

> Cheers
>
> Geoff

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:16:53 -0400, "Ian D" <taurus@nowhere.com> wrote:


>Well then, pull the cable from the SATA 1 connector. If
>the PC boots, or not, you now will know which physical
>drive is which. Another way to resolve this is to use a utility
>which reads the SMART info from the drives to find the
>serial numbers, although that will require pulling the drives
>to read the SN's, unless you can read the top drive's SN.
>

I have just used Hitachi's Drive Fitness Test software which tells me
that I have

00 ATA Secondary Master HDT etc and the serial number is R3CA etc

01 ATA Secondary Slave HDT etc and the serial number is R3C9 etc

so I now have 2 different serial numbers and can check these against
the physical hard disks.

But! How do I move from this to knowing which is the C: drive without
trail and error booting?

So far I don't seem to have any info from XP Pro to connect the
logical C: drive with SATA 0 or SATA 1 socket....or do I?!

Cheers

Geoff

"Geoff Cox" <gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:16:53 -0400, "Ian D" <taurus@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Well then, pull the cable from the SATA 1 connector. If
>>the PC boots, or not, you now will know which physical
>>drive is which. Another way to resolve this is to use a utility
>>which reads the SMART info from the drives to find the
>>serial numbers, although that will require pulling the drives
>>to read the SN's, unless you can read the top drive's SN.
>>
>
> I have just used Hitachi's Drive Fitness Test software which tells me
> that I have
>
> 00 ATA Secondary Master HDT etc and the serial number is R3CA etc
>
> 01 ATA Secondary Slave HDT etc and the serial number is R3C9 etc
>
> so I now have 2 different serial numbers and can check these against
> the physical hard disks.
>
> But! How do I move from this to knowing which is the C: drive without
> trail and error booting?
>
> So far I don't seem to have any info from XP Pro to connect the
> logical C: drive with SATA 0 or SATA 1 socket....or do I?!
>
> Cheers
>
> Geoff

You've already determined by using Disk Management that
Drive 0 is the C: drive.

In message <d26274ludeic703p1vsekck44ao3lit7tj@4ax.com> Geoff Cox
<gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:12:19 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> cannot find a location field!
>>
>> It may be hard or too small to read, and you haven't tried hard enough.
>>Cuz I am vey sure there should be labels for just about all parts on the
>
>Joel,
>
>Sorry! I missed the Location info - it was on the General tab page
>using Device Manager/disks.
>
>the first hard disk listed has Location 0 (0)
>
>the second one listed has 1 (1)
>
>
>What does this mean, together with the BIOS info? How do I tie
>together the Location 0 with either SATA0 or SATA1?

On absolutely every motherboard I've seen, the order will be the same on
the hardware as in device manager's "location" field.

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:53:53 +0100, Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom>
wrote:

Hello all,

Some thing new, to me at least!

I have opened My Computer and right clicked on the C: drive and
selected properties.

Then selected the "Hardware" tab, double clicked (or right click and
properties) on the first drive listed and then selected "Volumes" and
then "Populate". This gives me Drive 0 for C:

Doing the same for the second listed drive gives me Drive 1 for D:

So far so good but just to help clear my confusion - how do I know
whether Drive 0 above is the physical drive connected to the SATA 0 or
the physical drive connected to the SATA 1 socket?

I would seem osensible to assume that Drive 0 is the physical drive
connected to the SATA 0 socket etc but I am not clear how I can be
certain of this?

Cheers

Geoff

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:56:59 +0100, Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom>
wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:53:53 +0100, Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom>
>wrote:
>
>Hello all,
>
>Some thing new, to me at least!
>
>I have opened My Computer and right clicked on the C: drive and
>selected properties.
>
>Then selected the "Hardware" tab, double clicked (or right click and
>properties) on the first drive listed and then selected "Volumes" and
>then "Populate". This gives me Drive 0 for C:
>
>Doing the same for the second listed drive gives me Drive 1 for D:
>
>So far so good but just to help clear my confusion - how do I know
>whether Drive 0 above is the physical drive connected to the SATA 0 or
>the physical drive connected to the SATA 1 socket?
>
>I would seem osensible to assume that Drive 0 is the physical drive
>connected to the SATA 0 socket etc but I am not clear how I can be
>certain of this?

ah! I have just found and used smartmontools software and

smartctl -i c: gives the serial number of the drive attached to SATA0
socket and

smartctl -i d: gives the serial number of the drive attached to the
SATA 1 socket ... so I think I'm there once I have doubled check the
serial number on at least one of the physical drives!

Thanks for all the help.

Cheers

Geoff


>Cheers
>
>Geoff

Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote:

<snip>
> I would seem osensible to assume that Drive 0 is the physical drive
> connected to the SATA 0 socket etc but I am not clear how I can be
> certain of this?

*Unless* you find that all of the advices/answers given to you by others
are invalid, I can say that your same technique (I snip it) just won't lead
you to Rome.

And if you trust and follow one of our answers then you should have the
problem solved in the first day if not within few minutes on the first try.

Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote:

<snip>
> ah! I have just found and used smartmontools software and
>
> smartctl -i c: gives the serial number of the drive attached to SATA0
> socket and
>
> smartctl -i d: gives the serial number of the drive attached to the
> SATA 1 socket ... so I think I'm there once I have doubled check the
> serial number on at least one of the physical drives!

And I don't find much benefit from knowing the serial number *unless*
there is no easier way (already provided to you)

> Thanks for all the help.

You are quite welcome.