"Why" <my@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Does the on-board video have drivers for Win 98SE?
> I'm looking at this board but need to duel boot 98 & XP.
> Thanks
Why wrote:
> Does the on-board video have drivers for Win 98SE?
> I'm looking at this board but need to duel boot 98 & XP.
> Thanks
If you go to the Nvidia site, and try to download drivers
for some of their older video cards, this is the last
driver listed for Win98 (81.98). The Geforce 6100 / Nforce 430
is not listed.
If you search specifically for the 6100 on the
Nvidia download page, you'll find it listed under
"Nforce 4 series". But again, there is no Win98 driver
shown, when you search for it that way.
I believe the common theme in the list supported in 81.98,
is the cards are AGP. I don't think PCI Express works
in Win98. If you want Win98, I'd search for an AGP motherboard.
This motherboard won't have the same video performance via
its built-in video, but may work in Win98. It has an AGP slot
if you later need to upgrade. And if you did, perhaps a
6600GT AGP would be a good card for the purpose (as it is
in the 81.98 driver list).
>Why wrote:
>> Does the on-board video have drivers for Win 98SE?
>> I'm looking at this board but need to duel boot 98 & XP.
>> Thanks
>
>If you go to the Nvidia site, and try to download drivers
>for some of their older video cards, this is the last
>driver listed for Win98 (81.98). The Geforce 6100 / Nforce 430
>is not listed.
>
>http://www.nvidia.com/object/81.98_9x_supported.html
>
>If you search specifically for the 6100 on the
>Nvidia download page, you'll find it listed under
>"Nforce 4 series". But again, there is no Win98 driver
>shown, when you search for it that way.
>
>I believe the common theme in the list supported in 81.98,
>is the cards are AGP. I don't think PCI Express works
>in Win98. If you want Win98, I'd search for an AGP motherboard.
>
>This motherboard won't have the same video performance via
>its built-in video, but may work in Win98. It has an AGP slot
>if you later need to upgrade. And if you did, perhaps a
>6600GT AGP would be a good card for the purpose (as it is
>in the 81.98 driver list).
>
>MSI K9MM-V AM2 VIA K8M800 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $50
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130064
>
>K8M800 Win98SE video driver:
>http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx...0&SubCatID=109
>
> Paul
Thanks, I found this video card that says win 98 drivers PCI Express.
I really like the GA-M61P-S3 board. Do you think this card would work? http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16814102710
The MSI board does not have the built in firewire port .
Thanks again I want to order the GA-M61P-S3 board if I can get a card
to run w98.
> Thanks, I found this video card that says win 98 drivers PCI Express.
> I really like the GA-M61P-S3 board. Do you think this card would work?
> http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16814102710
>
> The MSI board does not have the built in firewire port .
>
> Thanks again I want to order the GA-M61P-S3 board if I can get a card
> to run w98.
As far as I know, this is the last Win98 driver for ATI. Catalyst 6.2
The Catalyst software suite is designed to support the following ATI product family:
Radeon 9800 series, Radeon 9000 series,
Radeon 9700 series, Radeon 8500 series
Radeon 9600 series, Radeon 7500 series
Radeon 9500 series, Radeon 7200 series
Radeon 9200 series, Radeon 7000 series
Radeon 9100 series, Radeon Xpress 200 series
Note: ATI All-In-Wonder variants based on the above are also supported.
This Catalyst software suite also provides Beta software support for the following ATI products:
Radeon X850 series, Radeon X550 series
Radeon X800 series, Radeon X300 series
Radeon X600 series
What is interesting about that, is I think some of the cards in the second
group, are available as PCI Express. So I guess there are some PCI Express
cards that support Win98. It would be interesting to see if anyone
actually uses one of the cards in the second group, for that purpose
(i.e. I'd want proof that a PCI Express card actually works in Win98/98SE).
>Why wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I found this video card that says win 98 drivers PCI Express.
>> I really like the GA-M61P-S3 board. Do you think this card would work?
>> http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16814102710
>>
>> The MSI board does not have the built in firewire port .
>>
>> Thanks again I want to order the GA-M61P-S3 board if I can get a card
>> to run w98.
>
>As far as I know, this is the last Win98 driver for ATI. Catalyst 6.2
>
>Catalyst 6.2 Drivers and ATI Multimedia Software for Windows 98/Windows 98 SE/Windows ME
>http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/9...naiw-98me.html
>
>Release notes are here:
>
>https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206...ase_notes.html
>
>The Catalyst software suite is designed to support the following ATI product family:
>Radeon 9800 series, Radeon 9000 series,
>Radeon 9700 series, Radeon 8500 series
>Radeon 9600 series, Radeon 7500 series
>Radeon 9500 series, Radeon 7200 series
>Radeon 9200 series, Radeon 7000 series
>Radeon 9100 series, Radeon Xpress 200 series
>Note: ATI All-In-Wonder variants based on the above are also supported.
>
>This Catalyst software suite also provides Beta software support for the following ATI products:
>Radeon X850 series, Radeon X550 series
>Radeon X800 series, Radeon X300 series
>Radeon X600 series
>
>What is interesting about that, is I think some of the cards in the second
>group, are available as PCI Express. So I guess there are some PCI Express
>cards that support Win98. It would be interesting to see if anyone
>actually uses one of the cards in the second group, for that purpose
>(i.e. I'd want proof that a PCI Express card actually works in Win98/98SE).
>
>But there is no X1300 in the list above.
>
> Paul
Thanks. I guess if I have to I can use this Reg PCI card.
Cause I sure want that GA board.
>Why wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I found this video card that says win 98 drivers PCI Express.
>> I really like the GA-M61P-S3 board. Do you think this card would work?
>> http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16814102710
>>
Paul what CPU would you suggest with that board?
I'm not into gaming only Cad/Cam for cnc machines.
That's the problem, I wrote a cnc machine tool program over 10 years
ago for W95 in gwbasic & it runs in W98 but not XP. So I have to boot
to 98 when I need it.
Why wrote:
>> Why wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I found this video card that says win 98 drivers PCI Express.
>>> I really like the GA-M61P-S3 board. Do you think this card would work?
>>> http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16814102710
>>>
> Paul what CPU would you suggest with that board?
> I'm not into gaming only Cad/Cam for cnc machines.
> That's the problem, I wrote a cnc machine tool program over 10 years
> ago for W95 in gwbasic & it runs in W98 but not XP. So I have to boot
> to 98 when I need it.
>
> Thanks again.
If I were you, I'd continue on working the driver angle.
There are two ways for disk interfaces to be mapped. They can be in the
I/O space and use IRQ14 and IRQ15 (for the first and second IDE cables).
Or, disks can be mapped into the PCI space, and via PIRQA (shared interrupt
signals), they can be at an arbitrary IRQ number. Win98 doesn't understand
PCI mapped drives, and the built-in hard drive support is for I/O mapped
and IRQ14/IRQ15. It is difficult for me to determine, exactly what the
Nvidia 430 does in this respect.
Using a search engine, I haven't been able to dig up any info about
how the disks are mapped. It is possible you won't even get to
"first base" with an attempt to install Win98. So the GA-M61P-S3
remains "risky".
With something like VIA K8M800/VT8237R, you can check viaarena.com .
There is at least a hint a chipset like that might work.
Maybe, if you are determined to buy the GA-M61P-S3, you could pick up
a MSI K9MM-V AM2 VIA K8M800 as a fallback. Try installing Win98 on
the GA-M61P-S3, and if you cannot get enough of it working, switch
to the K9MM-V. If you are going to do that, pick up a tube of thermal
paste, so you can redo the contact between the CPU heatsink and the
CPU, one the thermal interface on the heatsink gets scratched up.
There is a table of CPU's here. The 6000+ comes with a heatsink. The
6400+ (black box edition) has an unlocked multiplier and no heatsink
(so you buy the heatsink for that one separately).
Basically, anything with more than a 2000MHz core clock should be good.
That would be equivalent to a 3GHz P4, for single threaded programs.
Considering the prices, I'd just get the 6000+. This dissipates 125W
when both cores are flat out. Idle power is lower, especially if using
Cool N' Quiet (not supported in Win98). That drops the FID and VID when
the computer is idle, and the feature works in WinXP.
This is a low power solution. It is just below my threshold for core
clock, but still usable. This would run cool, no matter what OS is
running. This is a dual core, but power dissipation is less than the
old AthlonXP processors. I selected the BE-2300, because the
Gigabyte web page doesn't list the BE-2400 as supported (probably
yet another BIOS update for that).
>Why wrote:
>>> Why wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, I found this video card that says win 98 drivers PCI Express.
>>>> I really like the GA-M61P-S3 board. Do you think this card would work?
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16814102710
>>>>
>> Paul what CPU would you suggest with that board?
>> I'm not into gaming only Cad/Cam for cnc machines.
>> That's the problem, I wrote a cnc machine tool program over 10 years
>> ago for W95 in gwbasic & it runs in W98 but not XP. So I have to boot
>> to 98 when I need it.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>
>If I were you, I'd continue on working the driver angle.
>
>There are two ways for disk interfaces to be mapped. They can be in the
>I/O space and use IRQ14 and IRQ15 (for the first and second IDE cables).
>Or, disks can be mapped into the PCI space, and via PIRQA (shared interrupt
>signals), they can be at an arbitrary IRQ number. Win98 doesn't understand
>PCI mapped drives, and the built-in hard drive support is for I/O mapped
>and IRQ14/IRQ15. It is difficult for me to determine, exactly what the
>Nvidia 430 does in this respect.
>
>Using a search engine, I haven't been able to dig up any info about
>how the disks are mapped. It is possible you won't even get to
>"first base" with an attempt to install Win98. So the GA-M61P-S3
>remains "risky".
>
>With something like VIA K8M800/VT8237R, you can check viaarena.com .
>There is at least a hint a chipset like that might work.
>
>http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx...0&SubCatID=143
>
>Maybe, if you are determined to buy the GA-M61P-S3, you could pick up
>a MSI K9MM-V AM2 VIA K8M800 as a fallback. Try installing Win98 on
>the GA-M61P-S3, and if you cannot get enough of it working, switch
>to the K9MM-V. If you are going to do that, pick up a tube of thermal
>paste, so you can redo the contact between the CPU heatsink and the
>CPU, one the thermal interface on the heatsink gets scratched up.
>
>Arctic Silver Ceramique Thermal Compound $5
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100009
>
>*******
>
>There is a table of CPU's here. The 6000+ comes with a heatsink. The
>6400+ (black box edition) has an unlocked multiplier and no heatsink
>(so you buy the heatsink for that one separately).
>
>http://tw.giga-byte.com/Support/Moth...ProductID=2434
>
>Basically, anything with more than a 2000MHz core clock should be good.
>That would be equivalent to a 3GHz P4, for single threaded programs.
>
>Considering the prices, I'd just get the 6000+. This dissipates 125W
>when both cores are flat out. Idle power is lower, especially if using
>Cool N' Quiet (not supported in Win98). That drops the FID and VID when
>the computer is idle, and the feature works in WinXP.
>
>AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor 125W - Retail $160
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103773
>http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskto...ail.aspx?id=32
>
>These would be intermediate solutions.
>
>AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2.4GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor 89W - Retail $99
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103751
>http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskto...ail.aspx?id=48
>
>AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2.4GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor 65W - Retail $108
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103749
>http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskto...ail.aspx?id=49
>
>This is a low power solution. It is just below my threshold for core
>clock, but still usable. This would run cool, no matter what OS is
>running. This is a dual core, but power dissipation is less than the
>old AthlonXP processors. I selected the BE-2300, because the
>Gigabyte web page doesn't list the BE-2400 as supported (probably
>yet another BIOS update for that).
>
>AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core EE BE-2300 1.9GHz, AM2 L2 512KB x2 Retail ADH2300DDBOX CPU 45W $83.50
>http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10006118
>http://products.amd.com/en-us/Deskto...ail.aspx?id=75
>
>*******
>
>If you get something working in Win98, post back so others can profit
>from the experiment...
>
>Have fun,
> Paul
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