965P-DQ6 + 7950GT will not allow me to change FSB settings.

Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
stable.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
about this through their global support interface, but the response I
got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.

On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
> Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
> timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
> even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
> when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
> and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
> can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
> it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
> CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
> getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
> that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
> resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
> without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
> stable.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
> about this through their global support interface, but the response I
> got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
> blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
> clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
> and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.

Upon further inspection it appears that my PSU is not giving any power
on the 12V - I assume that is the cause?

Wade wrote:
> On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
>> Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
>> timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
>> even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
>> when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
>> and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
>> can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
>> it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
>> CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
>> getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
>> that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
>> resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
>> without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
>> stable.
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
>> about this through their global support interface, but the response I
>> got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
>> blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
>> clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
>> and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.
>
> Upon further inspection it appears that my PSU is not giving any power
> on the 12V - I assume that is the cause?
>

If there was absolutely no +12V, it wouldn't boot.

If the power supply was weak, then maybe anything demanding a
little more power, might cause the PSU to switch off.

So the question is, how did you determine it is not giving any
power on +12V, and under what conditions ? Did you check the +12V
on the main connector, the +12V on the 2x2 connector, the +12V on a
Molex drive connector ?

Paul

On Mar 29, 4:40 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> Wade wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
> >> Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
> >> timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
> >> even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
> >> when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
> >> and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
> >> can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
> >> it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
> >> CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
> >> getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
> >> that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
> >> resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
> >> without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
> >> stable.
>
> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
> >> about this through their global support interface, but the response I
> >> got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
> >> blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
> >> clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
> >> and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.
>
> > Upon further inspection it appears that my PSU is not giving any power
> > on the 12V - I assume that is the cause?
>
> If there was absolutely no +12V, it wouldn't boot.
>
> If the power supply was weak, then maybe anything demanding a
> little more power, might cause the PSU to switch off.
>
> So the question is, how did you determine it is not giving any
> power on +12V, and under what conditions ? Did you check the +12V
> on the main connector, the +12V on the 2x2 connector, the +12V on a
> Molex drive connector ?
>
> Paul

The 2x2 is what I am referring to (plugs in to the mobo) - according
to SpeedFan it fluctuates between 0.1 and 0.5. I checked on my AMD
system with speedfan and it's getting 12 - 12.5, with an antec 350w.
The power supply in question is a G3G (some generic brand) 500W.

On Mar 29, 3:54 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 29, 4:40 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Wade wrote:
> > > On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
> > >> Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
> > >> timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
> > >> even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
> > >> when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
> > >> and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
> > >> can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
> > >> it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
> > >> CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
> > >> getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
> > >> that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
> > >> resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
> > >> without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
> > >> stable.
>
> > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
> > >> about this through their global support interface, but the response I
> > >> got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
> > >> blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
> > >> clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
> > >> and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.
>
> > > Upon further inspection it appears that my PSU is not giving any power
> > > on the 12V - I assume that is the cause?
>
> > If there was absolutely no +12V, it wouldn't boot.
>
> > If the power supply was weak, then maybe anything demanding a
> > little more power, might cause the PSU to switch off.
>
> > So the question is, how did you determine it is not giving any
> > power on +12V, and under what conditions ? Did you check the +12V
> > on the main connector, the +12V on the 2x2 connector, the +12V on a
> > Molex drive connector ?
>
> > Paul
>
> The 2x2 is what I am referring to (plugs in to the mobo) - according
> to SpeedFan it fluctuates between 0.1 and 0.5. I checked on my AMD
> system with speedfan and it's getting 12 - 12.5, with an antec 350w.
> The power supply in question is a G3G (some generic brand) 500W.

I looked around some more and it appears that speedfan has problems
getting good readings with 965 boards. Back to square one.

Wade wrote:
> On Mar 29, 3:54 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 29, 4:40 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wade wrote:
>>>> On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
>>>>> Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
>>>>> timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
>>>>> even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
>>>>> when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
>>>>> and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
>>>>> can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
>>>>> it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
>>>>> CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
>>>>> getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
>>>>> that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
>>>>> resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
>>>>> without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
>>>>> stable.
>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
>>>>> about this through their global support interface, but the response I
>>>>> got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
>>>>> blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
>>>>> clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
>>>>> and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.
>>>> Upon further inspection it appears that my PSU is not giving any power
>>>> on the 12V - I assume that is the cause?
>>> If there was absolutely no +12V, it wouldn't boot.
>>> If the power supply was weak, then maybe anything demanding a
>>> little more power, might cause the PSU to switch off.
>>> So the question is, how did you determine it is not giving any
>>> power on +12V, and under what conditions ? Did you check the +12V
>>> on the main connector, the +12V on the 2x2 connector, the +12V on a
>>> Molex drive connector ?
>>> Paul
>> The 2x2 is what I am referring to (plugs in to the mobo) - according
>> to SpeedFan it fluctuates between 0.1 and 0.5. I checked on my AMD
>> system with speedfan and it's getting 12 - 12.5, with an antec 350w.
>> The power supply in question is a G3G (some generic brand) 500W.
>
> I looked around some more and it appears that speedfan has problems
> getting good readings with 965 boards. Back to square one.
>

Try leaving the BIOS alone, and use Clockgen to overclock. Your
motherboard is mentioned here, as being supported. Once overclocked
in Windows, load up with Prime95, to see if there are any power
issues. This may turn out to be a BIOS issue with E4300, you
never know.

http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php

Paul

On Mar 30, 1:41 am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> Wade wrote:
> > On Mar 29, 3:54 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 29, 4:40 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Wade wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
> >>>>> Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
> >>>>> timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
> >>>>> even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
> >>>>> when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
> >>>>> and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
> >>>>> can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
> >>>>> it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
> >>>>> CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
> >>>>> getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
> >>>>> that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
> >>>>> resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
> >>>>> without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
> >>>>> stable.
> >>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
> >>>>> about this through their global support interface, but the response I
> >>>>> got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
> >>>>> blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
> >>>>> clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
> >>>>> and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.
> >>>> Upon further inspection it appears that my PSU is not giving any power
> >>>> on the 12V - I assume that is the cause?
> >>> If there was absolutely no +12V, it wouldn't boot.
> >>> If the power supply was weak, then maybe anything demanding a
> >>> little more power, might cause the PSU to switch off.
> >>> So the question is, how did you determine it is not giving any
> >>> power on +12V, and under what conditions ? Did you check the +12V
> >>> on the main connector, the +12V on the 2x2 connector, the +12V on a
> >>> Molex drive connector ?
> >>> Paul
> >> The 2x2 is what I am referring to (plugs in to the mobo) - according
> >> to SpeedFan it fluctuates between 0.1 and 0.5. I checked on my AMD
> >> system with speedfan and it's getting 12 - 12.5, with an antec 350w.
> >> The power supply in question is a G3G (some generic brand) 500W.
>
> > I looked around some more and it appears that speedfan has problems
> > getting good readings with 965 boards. Back to square one.
>
> Try leaving the BIOS alone, and use Clockgen to overclock. Your
> motherboard is mentioned here, as being supported. Once overclocked
> in Windows, load up with Prime95, to see if there are any power
> issues. This may turn out to be a BIOS issue with E4300, you
> never know.
>
> http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php
>
> Paul

I was thinking about doing that with Gigabyte's EasyTune program, any
reason to use ClockGen over that?

Wade wrote:
> On Mar 30, 1:41 am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>> Wade wrote:
>>> On Mar 29, 3:54 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mar 29, 4:40 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>>>>> Wade wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
>>>>>>> Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
>>>>>>> timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
>>>>>>> even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
>>>>>>> when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
>>>>>>> and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
>>>>>>> can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
>>>>>>> it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
>>>>>>> CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
>>>>>>> getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
>>>>>>> that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
>>>>>>> resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
>>>>>>> without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
>>>>>>> stable.
>>>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
>>>>>>> about this through their global support interface, but the response I
>>>>>>> got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
>>>>>>> blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
>>>>>>> clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
>>>>>>> and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.
>>>>>> Upon further inspection it appears that my PSU is not giving any power
>>>>>> on the 12V - I assume that is the cause?
>>>>> If there was absolutely no +12V, it wouldn't boot.
>>>>> If the power supply was weak, then maybe anything demanding a
>>>>> little more power, might cause the PSU to switch off.
>>>>> So the question is, how did you determine it is not giving any
>>>>> power on +12V, and under what conditions ? Did you check the +12V
>>>>> on the main connector, the +12V on the 2x2 connector, the +12V on a
>>>>> Molex drive connector ?
>>>>> Paul
>>>> The 2x2 is what I am referring to (plugs in to the mobo) - according
>>>> to SpeedFan it fluctuates between 0.1 and 0.5. I checked on my AMD
>>>> system with speedfan and it's getting 12 - 12.5, with an antec 350w.
>>>> The power supply in question is a G3G (some generic brand) 500W.
>>> I looked around some more and it appears that speedfan has problems
>>> getting good readings with 965 boards. Back to square one.
>> Try leaving the BIOS alone, and use Clockgen to overclock. Your
>> motherboard is mentioned here, as being supported. Once overclocked
>> in Windows, load up with Prime95, to see if there are any power
>> issues. This may turn out to be a BIOS issue with E4300, you
>> never know.
>>
>> http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php
>>
>> Paul
>
> I was thinking about doing that with Gigabyte's EasyTune program, any
> reason to use ClockGen over that?
>

Use whatever works :-)

Is Easytune a "real time tool" ? Or does it
require a reboot to take hold ? I would expect
Clockgen to be instantaneous.

Paul

On Mar 30, 6:51 am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> Wade wrote:
> > On Mar 30, 1:41 am, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> >> Wade wrote:
> >>> On Mar 29, 3:54 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 29, 4:40 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Wade wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
> >>>>>>> Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
> >>>>>>> timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
> >>>>>>> even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
> >>>>>>> when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
> >>>>>>> and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
> >>>>>>> can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
> >>>>>>> it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
> >>>>>>> CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
> >>>>>>> getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
> >>>>>>> that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
> >>>>>>> resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
> >>>>>>> without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
> >>>>>>> stable.
> >>>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
> >>>>>>> about this through their global support interface, but the response I
> >>>>>>> got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
> >>>>>>> blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
> >>>>>>> clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
> >>>>>>> and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.
> >>>>>> Upon further inspection it appears that my PSU is not giving any power
> >>>>>> on the 12V - I assume that is the cause?
> >>>>> If there was absolutely no +12V, it wouldn't boot.
> >>>>> If the power supply was weak, then maybe anything demanding a
> >>>>> little more power, might cause the PSU to switch off.
> >>>>> So the question is, how did you determine it is not giving any
> >>>>> power on +12V, and under what conditions ? Did you check the +12V
> >>>>> on the main connector, the +12V on the 2x2 connector, the +12V on a
> >>>>> Molex drive connector ?
> >>>>> Paul
> >>>> The 2x2 is what I am referring to (plugs in to the mobo) - according
> >>>> to SpeedFan it fluctuates between 0.1 and 0.5. I checked on my AMD
> >>>> system with speedfan and it's getting 12 - 12.5, with an antec 350w.
> >>>> The power supply in question is a G3G (some generic brand) 500W.
> >>> I looked around some more and it appears that speedfan has problems
> >>> getting good readings with 965 boards. Back to square one.
> >> Try leaving the BIOS alone, and use Clockgen to overclock. Your
> >> motherboard is mentioned here, as being supported. Once overclocked
> >> in Windows, load up with Prime95, to see if there are any power
> >> issues. This may turn out to be a BIOS issue with E4300, you
> >> never know.
>
> >>http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php
>
> >> Paul
>
> > I was thinking about doing that with Gigabyte's EasyTune program, any
> > reason to use ClockGen over that?
>
> Use whatever works :-)
>
> Is Easytune a "real time tool" ? Or does it
> require a reboot to take hold ? I would expect
> Clockgen to be instantaneous.
>
> Paul

I believe it is real time.

On Mar 28, 6:16 pm, "Wade" <wad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I have a very strange problem. My setup is an E4300, GA-965P-DQ6,
> Leadtek PX7950GT 512, 2Gb of Corsair XMS2 ram (800/6400 and 5-5-5-12
> timings) with a 500W PSU. If I alter the FSB or PCI-E speed at all,
> even if I do not change it from default (200 and 100 respectively),
> when I save the changes and reboot the computer does a reboot cycle
> and resets both of those settings back to default (managed by bios). I
> can lower the multiplier to 6x and I can still not even set the FSB to
> it's own default without it being reset. I have tried clearing the
> CMOS, and it didn't help. Some other people have had issues with
> getting a high overclock without increasing voltages, but understand
> that I can not even manually set the default settings without it
> resetting. I have run Orthos blend and small FFT both overnight
> without issues, and I can use CIA2 to get to 2200 or so and it is
> stable.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I did *try* to talk to Gigabyte
> about this through their global support interface, but the response I
> got back was basically "I don't know", but in 500 words which try to
> blame my ram. Given that I can't set _default_ speeds I think it's
> clearly a BIOS bug, and I am running the F9 BIOS which is the latest
> and only one on their site. It is rev 3.3, if that matters.

I have solved this issue - replacing the Leadtek 7950GT with a
Powercolor X1950 Pro fixed it completely. Running at a modest 2.6ghz
now. Wont be buying any Gigabyte mobos again.