FX530 Intermittent No Signal and 3D Game Crash Problem

On Oct 14, 1:38*pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
> The system hardware imposes itself over the memory space above 3GB. *It
> does not actually use the 1GB. *Instead, a lot of the hardware elements
> get mapped into high memory. *And, to be accurate, depending on how this
> mapping is done by the motherboard chipset and the peripheral devices,
> more than 3GB may be available for use. *I have seen the System icon
> show 3.2GB or so on a 4GB system.
>
> It also sounds like the real problem here is the game, not the hardware,
> because the system runs fine with everything else. *Maybe the game
> manufacturer has an update? *Maybe a different graphics card will not
> crap out? *At this point, any other possibilities are beyond my
> imagination... Ben Myers- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for the high memory explanation and other suggestions by those
replying to help me. I agree that the most likely culprit here is the
game itself. There are a lot of other players of UT3 engine based
games with similar lockups and freezes. Epic who makes the Unreal
series games has had many updates and patches but non address this
issue, which is a shame. They seem to point the blame at hardware,
Nvidia's drivers, or Vista, but all I know is all other games not
using their engine works fine with no ill effects. For example the
older 3D shooter game Doom 3 and it's expansion pack sequel have no
issues, although it uses OpenGL whereas UT3 uses DirectX to render
graphics.

Anyway, I need to just accept I'll always get random lockups with UT3
while I wait for the next non-UT3 based game out that grabs by
attention so I can move on and not question my hardware as faulty. At
least I got to upgrade my box with a few better components along the
way.

As far as when it's time to get another PC to replace this one in
another year or so; I think that I will build my own custom box
instead of getting an OEM restricted machine that have certain BIOS
features locked out and non-standard reverse case opening BTX
motherboard formats.

Thanks all,

Steve

Ikaros wrote:
> On Oct 14, 1:38 pm, Ben Myers <ben_my...@charter.net> wrote:
>> The system hardware imposes itself over the memory space above 3GB. It
>> does not actually use the 1GB. Instead, a lot of the hardware elements
>> get mapped into high memory. And, to be accurate, depending on how this
>> mapping is done by the motherboard chipset and the peripheral devices,
>> more than 3GB may be available for use. I have seen the System icon
>> show 3.2GB or so on a 4GB system.
>>
>> It also sounds like the real problem here is the game, not the hardware,
>> because the system runs fine with everything else. Maybe the game
>> manufacturer has an update? Maybe a different graphics card will not
>> crap out? At this point, any other possibilities are beyond my
>> imagination... Ben Myers- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks for the high memory explanation and other suggestions by those
> replying to help me. I agree that the most likely culprit here is the
> game itself. There are a lot of other players of UT3 engine based
> games with similar lockups and freezes. Epic who makes the Unreal
> series games has had many updates and patches but non address this
> issue, which is a shame. They seem to point the blame at hardware,
> Nvidia's drivers, or Vista, but all I know is all other games not
> using their engine works fine with no ill effects. For example the
> older 3D shooter game Doom 3 and it's expansion pack sequel have no
> issues, although it uses OpenGL whereas UT3 uses DirectX to render
> graphics.
>
> Anyway, I need to just accept I'll always get random lockups with UT3
> while I wait for the next non-UT3 based game out that grabs by
> attention so I can move on and not question my hardware as faulty. At
> least I got to upgrade my box with a few better components along the
> way.
>
> As far as when it's time to get another PC to replace this one in
> another year or so; I think that I will build my own custom box
> instead of getting an OEM restricted machine that have certain BIOS
> features locked out and non-standard reverse case opening BTX
> motherboard formats.
>
> Thanks all,
>
> Steve

If and when you build your own computer, use an Asus motherboard. Their
boards still have reasonable quality and offer options for tweaking
performance.

Name brand computers will almost never offer tweaking options, because
they do not want the calls and emails to customer service when a naive
customer screws up a computer... Ben Myers

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"Ben Myers" <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Ikaros wrote:
>> I have a 2 1/4 year old FX530. My system specs are below. Sometimes
>> while playing the 3D game Unreal Tournament 3, the game will blank out
>> and I get a No Signal message on my LCD monitor. I have to turn the
>> computer off and back on to get video back. It is connected to my
>> video card via a digital signal cable. Also sometimes I get either a
>> BSOD or game freeze that I have to end via Task Manager. I've tried
>> various upgrades like replacing the memory and added a slot cooler for
>> the video card to lower temperature. I'm reading on the web I could
>> have a faulty video card or power supply? My computer only has this
>> problem running Unreal Engine 3 based games, which are stressful to a
>> system. All other 3D games play fine with no symptoms. What do you
>> think? Is it just caused by Unreal Tournament 3 based games or is
>> something wrong with my system. I thought it was relatively high end
>> when I bought it and it had the best video card out at the time.
>>
>> System Specs:
>>
>> Gateway FX530 - Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP2, Intel Q6600 2.4ghz
>> Core 2 Quad CPU, 4gb (4x1gb) Patriot PDC22G5300LLK RAM, 500gb
>> (2x250gb) RAID-0 HD, Dual DVD/RW, Vantec ATA133 Rounded IDE Cable,
>> Delta 700w Power Supply, Nvidia 8800GTX 768mb GPU (Factory OC), Antec
>> VCool Slot VGA Cooler, Gateway 22" Widescreen LCD, Asus/ViXS
>> Combo-210E TV Tuner, Creative SoundBlaster X-FI Audio, Logitech X-230
>> Speaker System, Logitech Precision PC Gaming Headset, Logitech G15
>> Gaming Keyboard, Logitech MX518 Gaming Mouse, Rocketfish Gaming Mouse
>> Pad, Iomega Prestige 500gb USB HD, Line-6 TonePort GX, APC Back-UPS ES
>> BE550G
>>
>> Steve
>
> I've been following this thread, and now I'll chime in.
>
> Graphics cards with nVidia GPUs have a long and storied history of failing
> completely or giving flaky symptoms due to thermal problems, in both
> desktop and laptop computers. I have replaced lots of them, when
> possible. With some laptops, the GPU is integrated onto the motherboard,
> so if it fails, you are *******.

***
In all fairness, the 9600GT that I was having problems with is the only
nVidia-based card I've ever had a problem with, and I've been using them
since the ISA days. I had the same overheating problem with the dedicated
ATI video in my notebook, and used the same method to fix it that I used for
the nVidia, and now it works fine, too. I had a few other brands thrown in
there now and then, but the nVidia's have always been the most stable for
me. By far, the most troublesome and unstable were the old Diamond Stealth
cards. ATI cards were pretty stable, but were slower than comparable but
less expensive cards.
Of course, that's just my experience with them. Other's experiences may
vary.

SC Tom

>
> The power supply would be the only other likely villain in this piece, but
> a Delta 700w should be way more than enough to support the hardware
> configuration you've got.
>
> Note also that your system has 4GB of memory, but the 32-bit version of
> Windows can only address about 3GB of memory. This is a hardware
> limitation of the 32-bit Intel CPU, and the same limitation exists for
> 32-bit Linux and 32-bit Apple OS X. I doubt that the extra memory is
> having an effect on your system, except that it draws a little bit more
> power.
>
> I suspect that it would still be pretty expensive to replace the 8800GTX
> card, but that is something to consider if you want to continue to play
> Unreal Engine 3 badly enough... Ben Myers

SC Tom wrote:
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>
> "Ben Myers" <ben_myers@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:hb4jmi$brd$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Ikaros wrote:
>>> I have a 2 1/4 year old FX530. My system specs are below. Sometimes
>>> while playing the 3D game Unreal Tournament 3, the game will blank out
>>> and I get a No Signal message on my LCD monitor. I have to turn the
>>> computer off and back on to get video back. It is connected to my
>>> video card via a digital signal cable. Also sometimes I get either a
>>> BSOD or game freeze that I have to end via Task Manager. I've tried
>>> various upgrades like replacing the memory and added a slot cooler for
>>> the video card to lower temperature. I'm reading on the web I could
>>> have a faulty video card or power supply? My computer only has this
>>> problem running Unreal Engine 3 based games, which are stressful to a
>>> system. All other 3D games play fine with no symptoms. What do you
>>> think? Is it just caused by Unreal Tournament 3 based games or is
>>> something wrong with my system. I thought it was relatively high end
>>> when I bought it and it had the best video card out at the time.
>>>
>>> System Specs:
>>>
>>> Gateway FX530 - Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP2, Intel Q6600 2.4ghz
>>> Core 2 Quad CPU, 4gb (4x1gb) Patriot PDC22G5300LLK RAM, 500gb
>>> (2x250gb) RAID-0 HD, Dual DVD/RW, Vantec ATA133 Rounded IDE Cable,
>>> Delta 700w Power Supply, Nvidia 8800GTX 768mb GPU (Factory OC), Antec
>>> VCool Slot VGA Cooler, Gateway 22" Widescreen LCD, Asus/ViXS
>>> Combo-210E TV Tuner, Creative SoundBlaster X-FI Audio, Logitech X-230
>>> Speaker System, Logitech Precision PC Gaming Headset, Logitech G15
>>> Gaming Keyboard, Logitech MX518 Gaming Mouse, Rocketfish Gaming Mouse
>>> Pad, Iomega Prestige 500gb USB HD, Line-6 TonePort GX, APC Back-UPS ES
>>> BE550G
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> I've been following this thread, and now I'll chime in.
>>
>> Graphics cards with nVidia GPUs have a long and storied history of
>> failing completely or giving flaky symptoms due to thermal problems,
>> in both desktop and laptop computers. I have replaced lots of them,
>> when possible. With some laptops, the GPU is integrated onto the
>> motherboard, so if it fails, you are *******.
>
> ***
> In all fairness, the 9600GT that I was having problems with is the only
> nVidia-based card I've ever had a problem with, and I've been using them
> since the ISA days. I had the same overheating problem with the
> dedicated ATI video in my notebook, and used the same method to fix it
> that I used for the nVidia, and now it works fine, too. I had a few
> other brands thrown in there now and then, but the nVidia's have always
> been the most stable for me. By far, the most troublesome and unstable
> were the old Diamond Stealth cards. ATI cards were pretty stable, but
> were slower than comparable but less expensive cards.
> Of course, that's just my experience with them. Other's experiences may
> vary.
>
> SC Tom
>
>>
>> The power supply would be the only other likely villain in this piece,
>> but a Delta 700w should be way more than enough to support the
>> hardware configuration you've got.
>>
>> Note also that your system has 4GB of memory, but the 32-bit version
>> of Windows can only address about 3GB of memory. This is a hardware
>> limitation of the 32-bit Intel CPU, and the same limitation exists for
>> 32-bit Linux and 32-bit Apple OS X. I doubt that the extra memory is
>> having an effect on your system, except that it draws a little bit
>> more power.
>>
>> I suspect that it would still be pretty expensive to replace the
>> 8800GTX card, but that is something to consider if you want to
>> continue to play Unreal Engine 3 badly enough... Ben Myers
>

Ya been lucky with nVidia. I see lots of them because I see lots of
computers. Though the failure rate of nVidia cards is low
percentagewise, IMHO their cards still present a significant risk.

Diamond pushed the envelope, running chips outside the specifications,
clocking memory faster thna rated speed and doing the same with
whichever GPU they were using. Unfortunately, I unwittingly contributed
to their motivation to push chips beyond spec by writing a glowing
review of one of their early cards for PC Magazine. I was much more
naive at the time, and did not have the hardware smarts to figure out
that their card was faster than the competition because they pushed the
spec. Back in the mid-90's, everyone was playing games with graphics
chips, cards, and benchmarks, because there were far more competitors
then, both chip makers and brand-names of cards. If a card was 0.0001%
faster than the competition, they made big news of it.

On the other hand, I have been running a Diamond AGP card in this system
for several years without incident. It's a very standard design with
ATI Radeon chip and 128MB... Ben Myers

"Ikaros" <snmavronis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 13, 9:06 pm, "SC Tom" <s...@tom.net> wrote:
> "Ikaros" <snmavro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cbb23e91-3772-4ae9-9c1f-72c9145577d5@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
<Snipped for clarity>

Well here is a picture of the inside of my Gateway FX530 computer:
http://www.evga.com/community/ModsRi...2_10609_05.jpg

The blue Antec slot cooler pulls cool air in from the outside and is
blowing onto the bottom of the card circuit board. Technically it is
supposed to be positioned over the top of the GPU fan opening but
there is no way to do it in this case configuration. But it does still
helps to lower the GPU temps by 10 degrees centigrade than without it.

You can see the silver CPU heat sink invades the GPU cooler housing,
so much so that EVGA must have partnered with Gateway to make then a
specially molded housing that includes a notched out area for it. The
EVGA part number is 768-P2-N833-BR (EVGA site photo -
http://www.evga.com/products/images/...768-P2-N833-BR)
and even includes an EVGA/Gateway logo on the cooler.

This is why I'll probably never be able to replace the card with
something else unless I know the exact clearance dimensions first or
replace that block of a CPU heatsink!

Steve

I added this hdd cooler on my computer that I bought from my local computer
shop http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HVHCKS I didn't attached my
hard drive to it. I came up with an idea to put it into an unused slot to
draw air into the front of the computer and the slot cooler in the rear
would draw air out.increasing air flow. Would it be possible to add a
exhaust fan on the side of your case to draw air out while a hdd cooler fans
and your slot cooler is pulling air in?
Good Luck,
Ron