I subscribe to a very full package from Time-Warner Cable & have generally
been able to record programs or movies from any channel (.... normally I do
this for the usualy reasons like time-shifted viewing of content.)
I have been using a Sony GX300 DVD recorder which I know has the logic to
block signals which copy-protected thru analog or digital means. So far
the only channel which appears to bring up the "picture cannot be recorded"
message from the Sony is AMC ( I don't have problems with TMC or any other
analog, digital or digital premium channels like HBO) ....
It seems the Sony records for about a 15 sec period before putting up the
message & then recording a 'white screen' blank picture. I'm assuming that
the source AMC signal rather than the cable operator has the copy-protect
inserted to begin with. The prevention of record on this one channel
itself doesn't freak me out because AMC movies are cut, dubbed & interrupted
by countless ads.
Now that we finally have some very nice affordable DVD recorder systems,
will cable systems, and the content providers to these systems, continue
to expand the prevention of using these DVD recorders to many more channels
until such recorders are virtually worthless? I assume there is no
technical solution or defense against increasing use of DRM in cable content
....
Had the same problem using MCE2005 a while back. Doesn't seem to happen any
more. Don't know why, but I suspect your assumption is correct... AMC is the
likely suspect.
Who is your cable provider? (Mine's COX San Diego)
SoCalCommie
"Behind every great fortune is a crime." - Honore de Balzac
"Jim Kish" <jakish@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:46OdnQWd5u8nupTbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@adelphia.com ...
> I subscribe to a very full package from Time-Warner Cable & have generally
> been able to record programs or movies from any channel (.... normally I
do
> this for the usualy reasons like time-shifted viewing of content.)
>
> I have been using a Sony GX300 DVD recorder which I know has the logic to
> block signals which copy-protected thru analog or digital means. So far
> the only channel which appears to bring up the "picture cannot be
recorded"
> message from the Sony is AMC ( I don't have problems with TMC or any
other
> analog, digital or digital premium channels like HBO) ....
> It seems the Sony records for about a 15 sec period before putting up the
> message & then recording a 'white screen' blank picture. I'm assuming
that
> the source AMC signal rather than the cable operator has the copy-protect
> inserted to begin with. The prevention of record on this one channel
> itself doesn't freak me out because AMC movies are cut, dubbed &
interrupted
> by countless ads.
>
> Now that we finally have some very nice affordable DVD recorder systems,
> will cable systems, and the content providers to these systems, continue
> to expand the prevention of using these DVD recorders to many more
channels
> until such recorders are virtually worthless? I assume there is no
> technical solution or defense against increasing use of DRM in cable
content
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
"Jim Kish" <jakish@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:46OdnQWd5u8nupTbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@adelphia.com ...
>I subscribe to a very full package from Time-Warner Cable & have generally
>been able to record programs or movies from any channel (.... normally I
>do this for the usualy reasons like time-shifted viewing of content.)
>
> I have been using a Sony GX300 DVD recorder which I know has the logic to
> block signals which copy-protected thru analog or digital means. So far
> the only channel which appears to bring up the "picture cannot be
> recorded" message from the Sony is AMC ( I don't have problems with TMC
> or any other analog, digital or digital premium channels like HBO) ....
> It seems the Sony records for about a 15 sec period before putting up the
> message & then recording a 'white screen' blank picture. I'm assuming
> that the source AMC signal rather than the cable operator has the
> copy-protect inserted to begin with. The prevention of record on this
> one channel itself doesn't freak me out because AMC movies are cut, dubbed
> & interrupted by countless ads.
>
> Now that we finally have some very nice affordable DVD recorder systems,
> will cable systems, and the content providers to these systems, continue
> to expand the prevention of using these DVD recorders to many more
> channels until such recorders are virtually worthless? I assume there is
> no technical solution or defense against increasing use of DRM in cable
> content
I had the same problem trying to record the Sopranos on the A&E network on
analog cable using my Zenith DVD/VHS recorder. I'll have to try it on my
Panasonic E85 and see what it does. The first few times it failed to record
I had just assumed it was the media I was using but then I watched it record
and seen the copyright msg appear. For now I'm recording it on my ever
faithful Panasonic VHS recorder.
As a followup, I noticed that in addition to AMC, the A&E "Sopranos" bring
up the 'protected' msg on DVD recorder .... apparently Time-Warner NEOhio
is just using a fairly simple Macrovision CGMS-A copy protection ..... I
had an old Macrovision remover 'signal clarifier' device (it 'removes' the
CGMS/A) laying around which I had used some time ago to xfer some old
Macrovision protected tapes over to DVD ... I inserted it into the DVD
recorder video input line & the DVD recorder worked fine on the protected
AMC channel from the cable box ... these devices are fairly expensive now
(~$100) altho you may find something cheaper & will likely be rapidly
outmoded as higher levels of protection are brought into cable channels
.......
Of course, I am only talking about 480i type of cable box output here ....
I'm told that if you have a HD box with 720p or 1080i HDMI type outputs,
this higher quality content is more consistently protected if you're trying
to record it on a properly equipped PC or other device capable of recording
such signals ...
see, eg: http://tv.about.com/od/hdtv/a/hdmidvihdcp.htm
"BR549" <spammenot@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4609e0f0$0$5821$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "Jim Kish" <jakish@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:46OdnQWd5u8nupTbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@adelphia.com ...
>>I subscribe to a very full package from Time-Warner Cable & have generally
>>been able to record programs or movies from any channel (.... normally I
>>do this for the usualy reasons like time-shifted viewing of content.)
>>
>> I have been using a Sony GX300 DVD recorder which I know has the logic to
>> block signals which copy-protected thru analog or digital means. So far
>> the only channel which appears to bring up the "picture cannot be
>> recorded" message from the Sony is AMC ( I don't have problems with TMC
>> or any other analog, digital or digital premium channels like HBO) ....
>> It seems the Sony records for about a 15 sec period before putting up the
>> message & then recording a 'white screen' blank picture. I'm assuming
>> that the source AMC signal rather than the cable operator has the
>> copy-protect inserted to begin with. The prevention of record on
>> this one channel itself doesn't freak me out because AMC movies are cut,
>> dubbed & interrupted by countless ads.
>>
>> Now that we finally have some very nice affordable DVD recorder systems,
>> will cable systems, and the content providers to these systems,
>> continue to expand the prevention of using these DVD recorders to many
>> more channels until such recorders are virtually worthless? I assume
>> there is no technical solution or defense against increasing use of DRM
>> in cable content
>
> I had the same problem trying to record the Sopranos on the A&E network on
> analog cable using my Zenith DVD/VHS recorder. I'll have to try it on my
> Panasonic E85 and see what it does. The first few times it failed to
> record I had just assumed it was the media I was using but then I watched
> it record and seen the copyright msg appear. For now I'm recording it on
> my ever faithful Panasonic VHS recorder.
>
In article <4609e0f0$0$5821$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, "BR549" <spammenot@nospam.com> wrote:
>"Jim Kish" <jakish@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>news:46OdnQWd5u8nupTbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@adelphia.co m...
>>I subscribe to a very full package from Time-Warner Cable & have generally
>>been able to record programs or movies from any channel (.... normally I
>>do this for the usualy reasons like time-shifted viewing of content.)
>>
>> I have been using a Sony GX300 DVD recorder which I know has the logic to
>> block signals which copy-protected thru analog or digital means. So far
>> the only channel which appears to bring up the "picture cannot be
>> recorded" message from the Sony is AMC ( I don't have problems with TMC
>> or any other analog, digital or digital premium channels like HBO) ....
>> It seems the Sony records for about a 15 sec period before putting up the
>> message & then recording a 'white screen' blank picture. I'm assuming
>> that the source AMC signal rather than the cable operator has the
>> copy-protect inserted to begin with. The prevention of record on this
>> one channel itself doesn't freak me out because AMC movies are cut, dubbed
>> & interrupted by countless ads.
>>
>> Now that we finally have some very nice affordable DVD recorder systems,
>> will cable systems, and the content providers to these systems, continue
>> to expand the prevention of using these DVD recorders to many more
>> channels until such recorders are virtually worthless? I assume there is
>> no technical solution or defense against increasing use of DRM in cable
>> content
>
>I had the same problem trying to record the Sopranos on the A&E network on
>analog cable using my Zenith DVD/VHS recorder. I'll have to try it on my
>Panasonic E85 and see what it does. The first few times it failed to record
>I had just assumed it was the media I was using but then I watched it record
>and seen the copyright msg appear. For now I'm recording it on my ever
>faithful Panasonic VHS recorder.
>
>
With my RDRGX7 , i have to use DVD-RW 's to record from protected cable
stations.
In article <eui0ob$uiu$2@news.xmission.com>, glenzabr@nospamhere.xmission.com (GMAN) wrote:
>In article <4609e0f0$0$5821$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, "BR549"
> <spammenot@nospam.com> wrote:
>>"Jim Kish" <jakish@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>>news:46OdnQWd5u8nupTbnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@adelphia.c om...
>>>I subscribe to a very full package from Time-Warner Cable & have generally
>>>been able to record programs or movies from any channel (.... normally I
>>>do this for the usualy reasons like time-shifted viewing of content.)
>>>
>>> I have been using a Sony GX300 DVD recorder which I know has the logic to
>>> block signals which copy-protected thru analog or digital means. So far
>>> the only channel which appears to bring up the "picture cannot be
>>> recorded" message from the Sony is AMC ( I don't have problems with TMC
>>> or any other analog, digital or digital premium channels like HBO) ....
>>> It seems the Sony records for about a 15 sec period before putting up the
>>> message & then recording a 'white screen' blank picture. I'm assuming
>>> that the source AMC signal rather than the cable operator has the
>>> copy-protect inserted to begin with. The prevention of record on this
>>> one channel itself doesn't freak me out because AMC movies are cut, dubbed
>>> & interrupted by countless ads.
>>>
>>> Now that we finally have some very nice affordable DVD recorder systems,
>>> will cable systems, and the content providers to these systems, continue
>>> to expand the prevention of using these DVD recorders to many more
>>> channels until such recorders are virtually worthless? I assume there is
>>> no technical solution or defense against increasing use of DRM in cable
>>> content
>>
>>I had the same problem trying to record the Sopranos on the A&E network on
>>analog cable using my Zenith DVD/VHS recorder. I'll have to try it on my
>>Panasonic E85 and see what it does. The first few times it failed to record
>>I had just assumed it was the media I was using but then I watched it record
>>and seen the copyright msg appear. For now I'm recording it on my ever
>>faithful Panasonic VHS recorder.
>>
>>
>With my RDRGX7 , i have to use DVD-RW 's to record from protected cable
>stations.
>
As a followup to the other poster, he is correct sometimes they use either
CGMS-A copy protection or "COPY ONCE" flag's or both. My comment about my Sony
was in regards to the Copy Once flag, which is recordable on my Sony unit "IF"
i use DVD-RW that have support on them.
DRM Preventing cable channel DVD Record 
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