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> "bilm" <fence61775@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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>> <normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> Is ISO the same as the file marked VIDEO_TS?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Norm
>>>
>> ISO is short for ISO 9660 which a standard that describes a file system
>> for
>> optical media (CDs & DVDs). Hard drives have file systems like
>> FAT32,.NTFS,
>> etc. Optical discs need to have a way, just like HDs, for data to be
>> organized into directories & files. The data (files & dirs) you choose to
>> burn to a disc are organized and written into an ISO structure. Then the
>> ISO is
>> burned to the disc as a single file i.e. "mymovie.iso". So the ISO file
>> contains
>> the VIDEO_TS folder and all its files.
>>
>> bilm
>
> When I rip a DVD, the results are in 2 files: VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS. The
> one I burn is VIDEO_TS. What is the AUDIO_TS file for?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Norm
VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS are the directories on your HD after ripping a
DVD-Video. Unless you have a DVD-RAM formatted with FAT32,
you cannot drag 'n drop those folders directly to the disc.
When you say "The one I burn is VIDEO_TS" I'm not sure how you are doing
this but I know you will not wind up with anything useful unless you
compile this folder into a file system format recognized by your OS
i.e. ISO 9660 and variations or UDF (Universal Disc Format).
These are the optical disc file systems recognized by all the major
operating systems; Windows, Linux & Mac OS. Each OS can
recognize their own proprietary file systems a well but if users want the
contents of their DVDs to be used by folks running other OSs, they will
use the recognized standard formats.
That's the whole idea of having standards.
You can burn the VIDEO_TS folder to the disc in any format you want
including RAW but you will not have a viewable movie unless you use the
DVD-Video standard format (called UDF Bridge format) because
it's the only one recognized by DVD movie player software.
UDF Bridge is a hybrid UDF file system that links with the standard
ISO 9660 file system. For simplicity think of a UDF containing your
VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders embedded within a ISO 9660.
Some burner programs will not include the AUDIO_TS folder if it is empty.
Check that folder out on your HD. Is it empty after the rip ? I don't think
it's is a good idea to exclude an empty AUDIO_TS folder because some older
DVD movie player software will check for the presence of that forlder and if
it is missing, the program assumes an error and will not play the movie.
Newer programs know better.
DVD burners do not care if the image file contains a video or just backup
data from directories you use at work. For DVDs, an ISO is and ISO.
This is not true of CDs but that's another subject.
Image files may not have the dot ISO extension. Nero has its own variation
as do other burner programs but they must all conform to the various
ISO standards because operating systems depend on it. Otherwise your OS
is not able to make sense of the data on the DVD and you will not be
able to do anything with it e.g. view it, print it, copy it, run programs
from it, etc.
<XLadnV8En6foWZ_VnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@earthlink.com> , said:
><normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "bilm" <fence61775@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>> news:Sc6dna-t-5UouJzVnZ2dnUVZ_s2tnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> <normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:L8KdnYHTRcHfRXLanZ2dnUVZ_sytnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Is ISO the same as the file marked VIDEO_TS?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Norm
>>>>
>>> ISO is short for ISO 9660 which a standard that describes a file system
>>> for
>>> optical media (CDs & DVDs). Hard drives have file systems like
>>> FAT32,.NTFS,
>>> etc. Optical discs need to have a way, just like HDs, for data to be
>>> organized into directories & files. The data (files & dirs) you choose to
>>> burn to a disc are organized and written into an ISO structure. Then the
>>> ISO is
>>> burned to the disc as a single file i.e. "mymovie.iso". So the ISO file
>>> contains
>>> the VIDEO_TS folder and all its files.
>>>
>>> bilm
>>
>> When I rip a DVD, the results are in 2 files: VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS. The
>> one I burn is VIDEO_TS. What is the AUDIO_TS file for?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Norm
>
>VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS are the directories on your HD after ripping a
>DVD-Video. Unless you have a DVD-RAM formatted with FAT32,
>you cannot drag 'n drop those folders directly to the disc.
>When you say "The one I burn is VIDEO_TS" I'm not sure how you are doing
>this but I know you will not wind up with anything useful unless you
>compile this folder into a file system format recognized by your OS
>i.e. ISO 9660 and variations or UDF (Universal Disc Format).
>
>These are the optical disc file systems recognized by all the major
>operating systems; Windows, Linux & Mac OS. Each OS can
>recognize their own proprietary file systems a well but if users want the
>contents of their DVDs to be used by folks running other OSs, they will
>use the recognized standard formats.
>
>That's the whole idea of having standards.
>
>You can burn the VIDEO_TS folder to the disc in any format you want
>including RAW but you will not have a viewable movie unless you use the
>DVD-Video standard format (called UDF Bridge format) because
>it's the only one recognized by DVD movie player software.
>
>UDF Bridge is a hybrid UDF file system that links with the standard
>ISO 9660 file system. For simplicity think of a UDF containing your
>VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders embedded within a ISO 9660.
>
>Some burner programs will not include the AUDIO_TS folder if it is empty.
>Check that folder out on your HD. Is it empty after the rip ? I don't think
>it's is a good idea to exclude an empty AUDIO_TS folder because some older
>DVD movie player software will check for the presence of that forlder and if
>it is missing, the program assumes an error and will not play the movie.
>Newer programs know better.
>
>DVD burners do not care if the image file contains a video or just backup
>data from directories you use at work. For DVDs, an ISO is and ISO.
>This is not true of CDs but that's another subject.
>
>Image files may not have the dot ISO extension. Nero has its own variation
>as do other burner programs but they must all conform to the various
>ISO standards because operating systems depend on it. Otherwise your OS
>is not able to make sense of the data on the DVD and you will not be
>able to do anything with it e.g. view it, print it, copy it, run programs
>from it, etc.
>
>bilm
>
Very well put
May I look back at these two tidbits of good worth?
>> Optical discs need to have a way, just like HDs, for data to be
>>organized into directories & files. The data (files & dirs) you choose to
>>burn to a disc are organized and written into an ISO structure
/edit
>UDF Bridge is a hybrid UDF file system that links with the standard
>ISO 9660 file system. For simplicity think of a UDF containing your
>VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders embedded within a ISO 9660.
>
I understood the sum of that advice to mean.
// take your data folders and your *_TS folders and feed them to
an ISO builder. Burn the finished ISO to DVD+R //
I have done this several times using differing folder/file formats.
To date with only coasters resulting - will not play the DVD movie.
I am using UltraISO - http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/index.html
to build the ISO. I then feed that to:
Cheetah DVD Burner [v.1.5]- http://www.cheetahburner.com/
I say "different folder/file structure" as I have read elsewhere that
the *.IFO file from VIDEO_TS folder wants to be the first file in the
folder hierarchy when a "mixed" DVD is burnt.
I have tried that method and also tried placing it at root within the ISO.
My question now is, am I following the procedure correctly for
burning data A N D *_TS folders to DVD or not?
Should I instead be somehow creating a UDF file to combine with
the data folders within the ISO?
Or is the problem maybe in the software I am using?
All this work is on a stable working XP Pro-SP2 Fat32 machine
using files of less than 4GB.
tks
"philum" <dvdM0V@not.valid> wrote in message
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> Very well put
> May I look back at these two tidbits of good worth?
>
>>> Optical discs need to have a way, just like HDs, for data to be
>>>organized into directories & files. The data (files & dirs) you choose to
>>>burn to a disc are organized and written into an ISO structure
> /edit
>>UDF Bridge is a hybrid UDF file system that links with the standard
>>ISO 9660 file system. For simplicity think of a UDF containing your
>>VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders embedded within a ISO 9660.
>>
> I understood the sum of that advice to mean.
> // take your data folders and your *_TS folders and feed them to
> an ISO builder. Burn the finished ISO to DVD+R //
> I have done this several times using differing folder/file formats.
> To date with only coasters resulting - will not play the DVD movie.
> I am using UltraISO - http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/index.html
> to build the ISO. I then feed that to:
> Cheetah DVD Burner [v.1.5]- http://www.cheetahburner.com/
> I say "different folder/file structure" as I have read elsewhere that
> the *.IFO file from VIDEO_TS folder wants to be the first file in the
> folder hierarchy when a "mixed" DVD is burnt.
> I have tried that method and also tried placing it at root within the ISO.
> My question now is, am I following the procedure correctly for
> burning data A N D *_TS folders to DVD or not?
> Should I instead be somehow creating a UDF file to combine with
> the data folders within the ISO?
> Or is the problem maybe in the software I am using?
> All this work is on a stable working XP Pro-SP2 Fat32 machine
> using files of less than 4GB.
> tks
>
> phil
>
After a quick look at UltraISO it looks like a good and useful tool but
I did not see any mention that it rips from DVD-Video or can compile
(put together) an image file in DVD-Video format from the folders on the HD.
Maybe it does.
Personally I would recommend the guides and tools you will find on Doom9 net http://www.doom9.org/
Click on Guides and you will see ">> DVD Backup (Full Guides)"
You can download all the programms you need to rip a DVD movie to your HD
then burn it to one or two recordable DVDs.
There are other guides on how to edit the contents on the HD before burning
or to create a movie from scatch.
Basically everything you need is on that one website.
<sdmdnbYXqfBxHpjVnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@earthlink.com> , said:
>"philum" <dvdM0V@not.valid> wrote in message
>news:4BdNj.91697$fB7.43548@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
>> Very well put
>> May I look back at these two tidbits of good worth?
>>
>>>> Optical discs need to have a way, just like HDs, for data to be
>>>>organized into directories & files. The data (files & dirs) you choose to
>>>>burn to a disc are organized and written into an ISO structure
>> /edit
>>>UDF Bridge is a hybrid UDF file system that links with the standard
>>>ISO 9660 file system. For simplicity think of a UDF containing your
>>>VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders embedded within a ISO 9660.
>>>
>> I understood the sum of that advice to mean.
>> // take your data folders and your *_TS folders and feed them to
>> an ISO builder. Burn the finished ISO to DVD+R //
>> I have done this several times using differing folder/file formats.
>> To date with only coasters resulting - will not play the DVD movie.
>> I am using UltraISO - http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/index.html
>> to build the ISO. I then feed that to:
>> Cheetah DVD Burner [v.1.5]- http://www.cheetahburner.com/
>> I say "different folder/file structure" as I have read elsewhere that
>> the *.IFO file from VIDEO_TS folder wants to be the first file in the
>> folder hierarchy when a "mixed" DVD is burnt.
>> I have tried that method and also tried placing it at root within the ISO.
>> My question now is, am I following the procedure correctly for
>> burning data A N D *_TS folders to DVD or not?
>> Should I instead be somehow creating a UDF file to combine with
>> the data folders within the ISO?
>> Or is the problem maybe in the software I am using?
>> All this work is on a stable working XP Pro-SP2 Fat32 machine
>> using files of less than 4GB.
>> tks
>>
>> phil
>>
>
>After a quick look at UltraISO it looks like a good and useful tool but
>I did not see any mention that it rips from DVD-Video or can compile
>(put together) an image file in DVD-Video format from the folders on the HD.
>Maybe it does.
>
And the same goes for Cheetah [ver 1.5] in respect of the wording
"DVD-Video format".
So can it now be said that tools _must have_ a DVD-Video option
available so as to burn a Video DVD from a externally generated ISO??
Simply offering "DVD format" is not good enough in not catering for the UDF
ability you mentioned earlier?
>Click on Guides and you will see ">> DVD Backup (Full Guides)"
>
>You can download all the programms you need to rip a DVD movie to your HD
>then burn it to one or two recordable DVDs.
>There are other guides on how to edit the contents on the HD before burning
>or to create a movie from scatch.
>
>Basically everything you need is on that one website.
>
Yet nothing I can find there describes combining data and movies
on the one DVD. Ditto for Dr. M.
Google//DejaVu talks about doing this but that is the extent of the
information. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.v...e?dmode=source
I am looking for the method to do exactly what that post describes.
1. Build mine own ..//Video_TS containing the movie.
2. Build a folder ..//BITMAPS with the original pix/avi used to
edit the movie to.
3. Burn the whole deal to DVD.
4. Have a viewable movie on a stand-alone DVD player and have
the data files searchable on a PC.
Too hard ??
Also here is the link to the info on file hierarchy in structuring
a DVD. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.v...6?dmode=source
"philum" <dvdM0V@not.valid> wrote in message
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> <sdmdnbYXqfBxHpjVnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@earthlink.com> , said:
>>"philum" <dvdM0V@not.valid> wrote in message
>>news:4BdNj.91697$fB7.43548@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> Very well put
>>> May I look back at these two tidbits of good worth?
>>>
>>>>> Optical discs need to have a way, just like HDs, for data to be
>>>>>organized into directories & files. The data (files & dirs) you choose
>>>>>to
>>>>>burn to a disc are organized and written into an ISO structure
>>> /edit
>>>>UDF Bridge is a hybrid UDF file system that links with the standard
>>>>ISO 9660 file system. For simplicity think of a UDF containing your
>>>>VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders embedded within a ISO 9660.
>>>>
>>> I understood the sum of that advice to mean.
>>> // take your data folders and your *_TS folders and feed them to
>>> an ISO builder. Burn the finished ISO to DVD+R //
>>> I have done this several times using differing folder/file formats.
>>> To date with only coasters resulting - will not play the DVD movie.
>>> I am using UltraISO - http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/index.html
>>> to build the ISO. I then feed that to:
>>> Cheetah DVD Burner [v.1.5]- http://www.cheetahburner.com/
>>> I say "different folder/file structure" as I have read elsewhere that
>>> the *.IFO file from VIDEO_TS folder wants to be the first file in the
>>> folder hierarchy when a "mixed" DVD is burnt.
>>> I have tried that method and also tried placing it at root within the
>>> ISO.
>>> My question now is, am I following the procedure correctly for
>>> burning data A N D *_TS folders to DVD or not?
>>> Should I instead be somehow creating a UDF file to combine with
>>> the data folders within the ISO?
>>> Or is the problem maybe in the software I am using?
>>> All this work is on a stable working XP Pro-SP2 Fat32 machine
>>> using files of less than 4GB.
>>> tks
>>>
>>> phil
>>>
>>
>>After a quick look at UltraISO it looks like a good and useful tool but
>>I did not see any mention that it rips from DVD-Video or can compile
>>(put together) an image file in DVD-Video format from the folders on the
>>HD.
>>Maybe it does.
>>
> And the same goes for Cheetah [ver 1.5] in respect of the wording
> "DVD-Video format".
> So can it now be said that tools _must have_ a DVD-Video option
> available so as to burn a Video DVD from a externally generated ISO??
> Simply offering "DVD format" is not good enough in not catering for the
> UDF
> ability you mentioned earlier?
The Cheetah site shows Project Types:
Video DVD - UDF/ISO9660 Bridged file systems
which is what you want. But it may not have authoring capability.
>
>>Personally I would recommend the guides and tools you will find on Doom9
>>net
>> http://www.doom9.org/
>>
> I walked those halls at length, prior. Has tones of the work Dr. Mercury
> did do for SVCD, some years ago.
> Where he has gone, who knows /shrug/ . Not much left of that persona.
> http://memweb.newsguy.com/~theprof/
> http://www.dvdhelp.us/php/forums/index.php?showtopic=20
> An old link still works well though - for reading only.
> http://www.dr-mercury.com/video/site/dvdr/dvdr3474.htm
> Should Dr.M have returned to Usenet a bit of "sign" would be appreciated.
> wikit @ aemail4u.com
>
>>Click on Guides and you will see ">> DVD Backup (Full Guides)"
>>
>>You can download all the programms you need to rip a DVD movie to your HD
>>then burn it to one or two recordable DVDs.
>>There are other guides on how to edit the contents on the HD before
>>burning
>>or to create a movie from scatch.
>>
>>Basically everything you need is on that one website.
>>
> Yet nothing I can find there describes combining data and movies
> on the one DVD. Ditto for Dr. M.
> Google//DejaVu talks about doing this but that is the extent of the
> information.
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.v...e?dmode=source
> I am looking for the method to do exactly what that post describes.
> 1. Build mine own ..//Video_TS containing the movie.
> 2. Build a folder ..//BITMAPS with the original pix/avi used to
> edit the movie to.
> 3. Burn the whole deal to DVD.
> 4. Have a viewable movie on a stand-alone DVD player and have
> the data files searchable on a PC.
> Too hard ??
> Also here is the link to the info on file hierarchy in structuring
> a DVD.
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.v...6?dmode=source
>
> tks for your response, bilm
>
> phil
>
You didn't look carefully.
Doom9 net -> http://www.doom9.org/
has guides & tools for authoring DVD Video which is what you are talking
about. Just go there and read the guides. Then post any questions you have
on one of their forums..
<bOKdnRlrzvndP5vVnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> , said:
>"philum" <dvdM0V@not.valid> wrote in message
>news:ghhNj.68770$ea6.60267@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com...
/trim quoted text
>> So can it now be said that tools _must have_ a DVD-Video option
>> available so as to burn a Video DVD from a externally generated ISO??
>> Simply offering "DVD format" is not good enough in not catering for the
>> UDF
>> ability you mentioned earlier?
>
>The Cheetah site shows Project Types:
> Video DVD - UDF/ISO9660 Bridged file systems
>which is what you want. But it may not have authoring capability.
>
The information above belongs to versions of Cheetah beyond v.1.5.
I have now used an updated Cheetah v.2.23 which does allow burning
in UDF v.1.5 and v.1.02 by choice. This will allow complete compatibility
across all media platforms, according to the ISO(?) DVD standards info I
found.
"Authoring" is another completely separate issue. partly addressed below.
>>
>>>Personally I would recommend the guides and tools you will find on Doom9
>>>net
>>> http://www.doom9.org/
>>>
DOOM9.org i s fine for the "click n go" who want a
"quickstart - here it is" type solution to an immediate and pressing
problem.
For someone who wants to understand why they are doing the steps??
DOOM9 is hopeless. Sorry for the "home truth" :-p
/trim quoted text
>>>Basically everything you need is on that one website.
>>>
>> Yet nothing I can find there describes combining data and movies
>> on the one DVD. Ditto for Dr. M.
>> Google//DejaVu talks about doing this but that is the extent of the
>> information.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.v...e?dmode=source
>> I am looking for the method to do exactly what that post describes.
>> 1. Build mine own ..//Video_TS containing the movie.
>> 2. Build a folder ..//BITMAPS with the original pix/avi used to
>> edit the movie to.
>> 3. Burn the whole deal to DVD.
>> 4. Have a viewable movie on a stand-alone DVD player and have
>> the data files searchable on a PC.
>> Too hard ??
>> Also here is the link to the info on file hierarchy in structuring
>> a DVD.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.v...6?dmode=source
>>
>> tks for your response, bilm
>>
>> phil
>>
>
>You didn't look carefully.
>
Man, I pulled that site apart! //chuckle//
Zip;Zilch;Nada!
>Doom9 net -> http://www.doom9.org/
>has guides & tools for authoring DVD Video which is what you are talking
>about. Just go there and read the guides. Then post any questions you have
>on one of their forums..
>
Thanks for the re-direct away from Usenet, bilum :-~
Thing is, I will bet the same confusion with terminology reigns in those
forums as has been expressed in this thread. Usenet tests validity,
"forums" result in a IP ban should one contradict what is put up as an
opinion or fact, matters not.
Moving on..
"Authoring" is the compilation of a movie with or without menus
and regardless of the method used to grab the AVI files.
Rip them from VOBs on a commercial DVD, or edit same and rebuild the AVI or
build your own AVI from a VCR rip or CamRecorder, makes no difference, you
must "author" the end product to get a burnable ..//Video_TS folder.
"Authoring" is no problem for me, help out with it where I can, even
What I was looking for --->"combining data and movies
on the one DVD", in other words, "building" a DVD disc, is an _additional_
process to "authoring". Similar to making your own "mixed mode" CDR.
It is the difference between ISO(CDR) and UDF(DVD) that brings the new
player undone, as it was for myself.
So, in completion..
ISO itself has three formats.
Image Write
Bootable Disc
Archive Build
UltraISO does all these - http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/index.html
UltraISO cannot make _DVD-MOVIE_ as it does not have a UDF
component in its burn process.
With _DVD-MOVIE_ building there is a new format introduced,
surreptitiously.
UDF/ISO9660 - is a compromise in making DVD-MOVIE images
DVD disc compliant.
As best as I can make of it in this quick time, the software itself
determines the UDF version that is "mixed" with the ISO image
when writing the DVD disc.
Therefore as a DVD builder, when you use "out of the box" solutions
(as expounded on D00M9)
you - as a DVD builder - have no control over the UDF version "built in" to
your crisp new DVD. Not good enough - in my opinion - when you want
cross-platform compatibility.
And, and.. I would venture what is behind complaints of non-working DVD
platters when one swaps out a DVD player. These being burnt DVD-MOVIE
discs using an ISO as the parent file.
The solution?
Build your archive tree anyway you wish as long as ..//Video_TS is at
root.[..//Audio_TS also, if you have one].
Place your Data folders at root also.
A tree I have been testing looks like this.
.../0ld_map_templates
.../Aerial1967_75
.../Audio_TS
.../pix
.../Video_TS
.../WAV[stereo]
.../WAV[mono]
In your burning software choose "UDF data" as the DVD type.
The resulting DVD will play your movie on any DVD player a n d have
the data folders viewable on a PC for file management purposes.
And, by the way, the thought provocation came from this thread but
most of the useable information came off DejaVu/Goggle from this old
trashed Group -alt.comp.periphs.cdr [courtesy of] Mike Richter
The trail started here http://preview.tinyurl.com/5gqvku
however you can use "UDF + data + DVD" in http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&
to grab a host of info on the topic of DVD building.
And -alt.comp.periphs.cdr- ??
Should you stick your nose in there ?? Do not ask for Mike, the trolls got
him, me-thinks
"philum" <dvdM0V@not.valid> wrote in message
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> Moving on..
>
> "Authoring" is the compilation of a movie with or without menus
> and regardless of the method used to grab the AVI files.
> Rip them from VOBs on a commercial DVD, or edit same and rebuild the AVI
> or
> build your own AVI from a VCR rip or CamRecorder, makes no difference, you
> must "author" the end product to get a burnable ..//Video_TS folder.
> "Authoring" is no problem for me, help out with it where I can, even
>
DVD Authoring has nothing to do with "AVI". That you think so
is very telling.
> What I was looking for --->"combining data and movies
> on the one DVD", in other words, "building" a DVD disc, is an _additional_
> process to "authoring".
True, but you need to accomplish the authoring as a separate
step, prior to the building. Many programs to do the authoring
assume that you will be simply burning a DVD right after the
authoring is completed. (So much so that they even talk about
it as a single process "Burning a DVD". This is especially true
for the "Convert to DVD", that most people who think "AVI"
is what DVDs are made from,use.)
>Similar to making your own "mixed mode" CDR.
> It is the difference between ISO(CDR) and UDF(DVD) that brings the new
> player undone, as it was for myself.
>
Not exactly the case, for this issue, it is more a matter of
implementation. Even a matter of how the two standards
can co-exist on the same DVD. (You could do it all ISO
but there would be a number of restrictions and technical
details to attend to.)
> So, in completion..
> ISO itself has three formats.
> Image Write
> Bootable Disc
> Archive Build
> UltraISO does all these -
> http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/index.html
> UltraISO cannot make _DVD-MOVIE_ as it does not have a UDF
> component in its burn process.
>
Take a look at the DVD templates in "Nero Burning ROM",
notice the "DVD-ROM (UDF/ISO) template. Compare the
default settings for the different templates, including the "DVD-
Video" settings.
> With _DVD-MOVIE_ building there is a new format introduced,
> surreptitiously.
> UDF/ISO9660 - is a compromise in making DVD-MOVIE images
> DVD disc compliant.
>
Not so "surreptitiously", in some programs such as the old
standard "Nero Burning ROM".
> As best as I can make of it in this quick time, the software itself
> determines the UDF version that is "mixed" with the ISO image
> when writing the DVD disc.
> Therefore as a DVD builder, when you use "out of the box" solutions
> (as expounded on D00M9)
> you - as a DVD builder - have no control over the UDF version "built in"
> to
> your crisp new DVD. Not good enough - in my opinion - when you want
> cross-platform compatibility.
I would be greatly surprised if most of the references to
burning DVDs at Doom9, failed to mention Nero Burning
ROM; and it certainly allows you to set the UDF version.
> And, and.. I would venture what is behind complaints of non-working DVD
> platters when one swaps out a DVD player. These being burnt DVD-MOVIE
> discs using an ISO as the parent file.
>
If you are now talking about an ISO image file, and not the
ISO (9660) disk standard/format, creating one of those prior
to burning an actual DVD has always been something done to
increase reliability. In any case, it would have nothing to do
with the type or compatibility of the DVD data contained in the
ISO image.
> The solution?
> Build your archive tree anyway you wish as long as ..//Video_TS is at
> root.[..//Audio_TS also, if you have one].
> Place your Data folders at root also.
>
> A tree I have been testing looks like this.
> ../0ld_map_templates
> ../Aerial1967_75
> ../Audio_TS
> ../pix
> ../Video_TS
> ../WAV[stereo]
> ../WAV[mono]
>
>
> In your burning software choose "UDF data" as the DVD type.
> The resulting DVD will play your movie on any DVD player a n d have
> the data folders viewable on a PC for file management purposes.
>
Yes, that will work, for all systems that support "UDF", which
is almost all of them now a days. You may find that your menus
won't work in some standalone players, though. UDF/ISO is
often the better choice, particularly if there is an option to "force
DVD video compliance" ; as that will normally address issues
involving the order of the data in the DVD headers. (You
should have that option with your "UDF data" type,as well.)
There are a great many "Burning" tools, check the "Tool"
listings at www.videohelp.com
>
> And, by the way, the thought provocation came from this thread but
> most of the useable information came off DejaVu/Goggle from this old
> trashed Group -alt.comp.periphs.cdr [courtesy of] Mike Richter
> The trail started here http://preview.tinyurl.com/5gqvku
> however you can use "UDF + data + DVD" in
> http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&
> to grab a host of info on the topic of DVD building.
>
So you are learning to use a search tool, good for you.
> And -alt.comp.periphs.cdr- ??
> Should you stick your nose in there ?? Do not ask for Mike, the trolls got
> him, me-thinks
>
> tks
> phil
>
>
<etidnYGBG-_lX5XVnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@giganews.com>, said:
>
>"philum" <dvdM0V@not.valid> wrote in message
>news:l3WNj.130049$ng7.100352@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>> Moving on..
>>
>> "Authoring" is the compilation of a movie with or without menus
>> and regardless of the method used to grab the AVI files.
>> Rip them from VOBs on a commercial DVD, or edit same and rebuild the AVI
>> or
>> build your own AVI from a VCR rip or CamRecorder, makes no difference, you
>> must "author" the end product to get a burnable ..//Video_TS folder.
>> "Authoring" is no problem for me, help out with it where I can, even
>>
>
> DVD Authoring has nothing to do with "AVI". That you think so
>is very telling.
>
Something is clouding your judgment Ken. Whatever that is may well
have to be digitally extracted - no pun intended.
Searching all variations on what you may have read into the statement
I fail to see how you reach the point you are at. Where do I say AVI has
anything to do with "Authoring"?
The original thrust of my point was the terminology used, how that was
misleading - for the purpose of my question.
>
>> What I was looking for --->"combining data and movies
>> on the one DVD", in other words, "building" a DVD disc, is an _additional_
>> process to "authoring".
>
> True, but you need to accomplish the authoring as a separate
>step, prior to the building. Many programs to do the authoring
>assume that you will be simply burning a DVD right after the
>authoring is completed. (So much so that they even talk about
>it as a single process "Burning a DVD". This is especially true
>for the "Convert to DVD", that most people who think "AVI"
>is what DVDs are made from,use.)
>
I use AVI as it is a container that is much more easily manipulated
for the purpose of editing. I understand others who rip and burn
would have a different view of process and the containers used.
Again, all irrelevant to my original question.
>>Similar to making your own "mixed mode" CDR.
>> It is the difference between ISO(CDR) and UDF(DVD) that brings the new
>> player undone, as it was for myself.
>>
>
> Not exactly the case, for this issue, it is more a matter of
>implementation. Even a matter of how the two standards
>can co-exist on the same DVD. (You could do it all ISO
>but there would be a number of restrictions and technical
>details to attend to.)
>
No doubt should a whole restructure of process (and possibly the
hardware itself) be engaged one could edit/build/author/burn
"on the fly". Not my preferred option but loading copious amounts of
software and swapping out non-compliant hardware may suit some
>> So, in completion..
>> ISO itself has three formats.
>> Image Write
>> Bootable Disc
>> Archive Build
>> UltraISO does all these -
>> http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/index.html
>> UltraISO cannot make _DVD-MOVIE_ as it does not have a UDF
>> component in its burn process.
>>
>
> Take a look at the DVD templates in "Nero Burning ROM",
>notice the "DVD-ROM (UDF/ISO) template. Compare the
>default settings for the different templates, including the "DVD-
>Video" settings.
>
I was around when the RoxioCD fiasco developed into that
place where it ended. I would not move away from Nero at that time.
Nero5.5 still serves well today yet is not DVD compliant, though that is
possibly due to the OS supporting it. Like others of that genre
the move towards "one tool does all" lost the appeal for myself as the
tool (Nero) became a bloated hog with a huge footprint.
I choose to run lean tools. OMMV.
>
>> With _DVD-MOVIE_ building there is a new format introduced,
>> surreptitiously.
>> UDF/ISO9660 - is a compromise in making DVD-MOVIE images
>> DVD disc compliant.
>>
>
> Not so "surreptitiously", in some programs such as the old
>standard "Nero Burning ROM".
>
>
>> As best as I can make of it in this quick time, the software itself
>> determines the UDF version that is "mixed" with the ISO image
>> when writing the DVD disc.
>> Therefore as a DVD builder, when you use "out of the box" solutions
>> (as expounded on D00M9)
>> you - as a DVD builder - have no control over the UDF version "built in"
>> to
>> your crisp new DVD. Not good enough - in my opinion - when you want
>> cross-platform compatibility.
>
> I would be greatly surprised if most of the references to
>burning DVDs at Doom9, failed to mention Nero Burning
>ROM; and it certainly allows you to set the UDF version.
>
>> And, and.. I would venture what is behind complaints of non-working DVD
>> platters when one swaps out a DVD player. These being burnt DVD-MOVIE
>> discs using an ISO as the parent file.
>>
>
> If you are now talking about an ISO image file, and not the
>ISO (9660) disk standard/format, creating one of those prior
>to burning an actual DVD has always been something done to
>increase reliability. In any case, it would have nothing to do
>with the type or compatibility of the DVD data contained in the
>ISO image.
>
I was referring to the use of bridging formats for ISO.
Because I am not entirely certain (tested the actuality) is *why* I used "I
would venture".
Your point is taken, I wont be offering possibilities again, in an archived
post :-)
>
>> The solution?
>> Build your archive tree anyway you wish as long as ..//Video_TS is at
>> root.[..//Audio_TS also, if you have one].
>> Place your Data folders at root also.
>>
>> A tree I have been testing looks like this.
>> ../0ld_map_templates
>> ../Aerial1967_75
>> ../Audio_TS
>> ../pix
>> ../Video_TS
>> ../WAV[stereo]
>> ../WAV[mono]
>>
>>
>> In your burning software choose "UDF data" as the DVD type.
>> The resulting DVD will play your movie on any DVD player a n d have
>> the data folders viewable on a PC for file management purposes.
>>
>
> Yes, that will work, for all systems that support "UDF", which
>is almost all of them now a days. You may find that your menus
>won't work in some standalone players, though. UDF/ISO is
>often the better choice, particularly if there is an option to "force
>DVD video compliance" ; as that will normally address issues
>involving the order of the data in the DVD headers. (You
>should have that option with your "UDF data" type,as well.)
>
>
>> Reportedly, there is a free UDF burner tool on this site -
>> http://www.complexnt.com/
>>
>
>There are a great many "Burning" tools, check the "Tool"
>listings at www.videohelp.com
>
Surprisingly a lot of excellent movie making tools are freeware,
I was merely pointing to yet another one. I could have as easily said
"go ask in alt.comp.freeware for some links to downloads", I refrained
>>
>> And, by the way, the thought provocation came from this thread but
>> most of the useable information came off DejaVu/Goggle from this old
>> trashed Group -alt.comp.periphs.cdr [courtesy of] Mike Richter
>> The trail started here http://preview.tinyurl.com/5gqvku
>> however you can use "UDF + data + DVD" in
>> http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&
>> to grab a host of info on the topic of DVD building.
>>
>
> So you are learning to use a search tool, good for you.
>
... says the guy who came in late with a bulging bag of [????]
FYI.. there was a question put on this topic in the "Authoring" froup
maybe two weeks ago. When you search it you will find the
blank stare is still happening :-~
Reading along I found /bilm/ as being the only input that
offered half a clue. For that work done I made the post you
respond to, archiving it. Kind of a "thank you". Again, I will not
be doing that again.
My problem is solved and DVD data/movie discs are spilling
out of my machines as I write.
Have to be happy about that outcome :-D
"philum" <dvdM0V@not.valid> wrote in message
news:Qh6Oj.52948$pm2.29179@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> .. says the guy who came in late with a bulging bag of [????]
>
> FYI.. there was a question put on this topic in the "Authoring" froup
> maybe two weeks ago. When you search it you will find the
> blank stare is still happening :-~
Actually you should have replied to that post, instead of
hijacking this one. This one has so many replies that don't
address YOUR problem because that wasn't the subject
of this thread. "bilm" may regret having bothered to reply
given your response to his efforts.
You seem to believe that you are owed a quick and
helpful reply. No one is obligated to reply. Perhaps,
some who might have been inclined to address the
problem you inserted into this thread, never guessed
that it had changed from "What does ISO mean?".
> Reading along I found /bilm/ as being the only input that
> offered half a clue. For that work done I made the post you
> respond to, archiving it. Kind of a "thank you". Again, I will not
> be doing that again.
> My problem is solved and DVD data/movie discs are spilling
> out of my machines as I write.
> Have to be happy about that outcome :-D
>
> tks.. I think :-p
>
> phil
>
>
Ken Maltby in <xeKdnYGdb6-ElZTVnZ2dnUVZ_qygnZ2d@giganews.com>, said:
>
>"philum" <dvdM0V@not.valid> wrote in message
>news:Qh6Oj.52948$pm2.29179@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>> .. says the guy who came in late with a bulging bag of [????]
>>
>> FYI.. there was a question put on this topic in the "Authoring" froup
>> maybe two weeks ago. When you search it you will find the
>> blank stare is still happening :-~
>
> Actually you should have replied to that post, instead of
>hijacking this one. This one has so many replies that don't
>address YOUR problem because that wasn't the subject
>of this thread.
>
I disagree with your regurgitation of your read, Ken, however I will not
even attempt to share space with that bug you have in your ***.
Instead you go read this quote in context.
<XLadnV8En6foWZ_VnZ2dnUVZ_qiinZ2d@earthlink.com>
"You can burn the VIDEO_TS folder to the disc in any format you want
including RAW but you will not have a viewable movie unless you use the
DVD-Video standard format (called UDF Bridge format) because
it's the only one recognized by DVD movie player software."
There is no "hijack" dummass. The thread developed as is the way
of such things on Usenet.
Gives you heartburn?
Grow a spine or dismount your reader :-~
>"bilm" may regret having bothered to reply
>given your response to his efforts.
>
The guy speaks through your bull-horn? /pun/
IIRC I have offered attrib on at least three occasions AND
politely (with reference material) sorted the misinformation.
Maybe you just do not like the frank assessment of D00M9, Ken?
Anyone with any history in video has known of that site
(and its forums) since Day One.
I stand by my advice on using the work there.
> You seem to believe that you are owed a quick and
>helpful reply. No one is obligated to reply. Perhaps,
>some who might have been inclined to address the
>problem you inserted into this thread, never guessed
>that it had changed from "What does ISO mean?".
>
Nice bit of smoke you generate there, Ken.
Your social skills are about as developed as your comprehension
so there is no surprise in noting the caliber of fan you attract.
Really, you should have made the effort to locate that post
in the "Authoring" froup.. unless you are partial to shoe leather
//snicker//
Sitting up there, nekkid as a jaybird, no acks at all.
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