>> My DMR-E85H has always had the TV Guide functions but the guide
>> data for it has been somewhat inconsistent. One thing to consider,
>> which seems to make it work better: at night, switch your input
>> to your converter box, tune your converter box to PBS, and then
>> turn the Panasonic OFF so it will hopefully listen to the guide
>> data on the digital channel overnight.
>>
>> That's the only way it will get guide data if it can no longer
>> receive analog signals for one reason or another (in my case, I
>> stole the analog input to the Panasonic for the converter box without
>> getting another splitter, which makes the antenna signal a bit too
>> weak for the converter anyway.)
>>
>
>The E85 starts to collect data after midnight and will not do so
>if it is ON or if it is engaged in a recording event.
>
>Are you saying that if your E85 cannot receive a data signal
>from its designated PBS channel it tries to get the data from
>the a/v input?
It might be. The only ways to get the signal are through the
converter and a/v input (if it's tuned to PBS), or through a
disconnected RF input. And it is getting a signal somehow. One
of the configurations for this thing is a cable/satellite box
connected to the a/v input so I think it will try getting the signal
from there, even if it can't change the channel.
>When my OTA PBS channel finally drops the analog signal I was
>planning on feeding the digital signal from the converter box
>through channel 3 into the E85 and trying to set the default
>PBS data channel to 3.
*IS* there a setting for a "default channel"? I thought it just
scanned the channels to find one. And I'm guessing that L1, L2,
and L3 are included in the scan.
"Beauth" <Beauth.3o60ma@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks for the info regarding the Panasonic EH55. I just happen to be
> in the Milwaukee Time Warner area also. And this happened to a few
> months ago also and walla, one day it re-appeared. I will call my local
> PBS station and see what they can tell me. Thanks again.
>
>
I received this reply from WMVS (PBS Channel 10, Milwaukee):
"It is our understanding that the digital TV Guide data for the Milwaukee
market will be transmitted by WDJT-DT Channel 58.1 since all analog
transmissions are in the process of being discontinued. You may wish
to direct specific questions to WDJT-DT or to TV Guide."
I also asked about their clock signal:
"The clock signal which was part of the analog transmission of WMVS-TV
Channel 10 will go away when Channel 10 discontinues its analog
transmissions in June. Time Warner Cable is already providing a
downconverted version of our WMVS-DT digital Channel 10.1 on
cable Channel 10 in a letterbox format on their system. The full HD
version of Channel 10.1 is carried on cable channel 510.
"Yes, this means you will have to set the clocks manually on your recorders
in the future as they most likely will be unable to read the clock signals
from the new digital channel transmissions."
>> > My DMR-E85H has always had the TV Guide functions but the guide
>> > data for it has been somewhat inconsistent. *One thing to consider,
>> > which seems to make it work better: *at night, switch your input
>> > to your converter box, tune your converter box to PBS, and then
>> > turn the Panasonic OFF so it will hopefully listen to the guide
>> > data on the digital channel overnight.
>>
>> > That's the only way it will get guide data if it can no longer
>> > receive analog signals for one reason or another (in my case, I
>> > stole the analog input to the Panasonic for the converter box without
>> > getting another splitter, which makes the antenna signal a bit too
>> > weak for the converter anyway.)
>>
>> The E85 starts to collect data after midnight and will not do so
>> if it is ON or if it is engaged in a recording event.
>>
>> Are you saying that if your E85 cannot receive a data signal
>> from its designated PBS channel it tries to get the data from
>> the a/v input?
>>
>> When my OTA PBS channel finally drops the analog signal I was
>> planning on feeding the digital signal from the converter box
>> through channel 3 into the E85 and trying to set the default
>> PBS data channel to 3.
>
>Unless your converter does something special, that's not going to
>work. With analog TV, any data was carried in the Vertical Blanking
>Interval (VBI). Essentiall, they used the time it takes to move the
>electron beam from the end of the bottom line back to the start of the
>top line to provide a low bit rate data channel. Digital TV is
>completely different. Along with the digital program information,
>there is another data stream (PSIP) carrying the channel mapping,
>time, and programming information. To do what you want, the converter
>would have to decode the PSIP stream, recode the relavent data, and
>insert it in the VBI of the analog output. The only converter I am
>aware of that might be able to do that is the DTVpal product. There
>might be more, but I haven't heard of any.
Ok, so you're saying that a whole bunch of stuff that used to be
in the vertical blanking interval of analog signals is going to go
away? I seem to recall that whole bunch of companies put stuff in
there, including stock quotes and such (which you have to pay for
to get). I wonder how those are going to be replaced, or if they
are still active.
Anyway, what happens to closed captioning? I know that if I receive
a digital station on a converter box, run it through my Panasonic
DMR-E85H recorder (it's 100% analog), either by recording and later
playback or just passthrough, and then run it into my TV (100%
analog), and I mute the TV, that turns on closed captioning on the
TV (that setting is sometimes convenient when answering the phone,
even if everyone here can hear fine). Either the format of closed
captioning didn't change, or the converter box is translating
closed-captioning from digital to analog and shipping it out in the
analog signal.
I don't turn on closed captioning on the converter. I suppose I
could, but it doesn't work for recording and later playback. Using
it on the TV makes it work no matter what the source.
>As far as I can tell, the days of analog programming information in
>the USA are numbered. Fortunately, as long as you keep the clock
>correct, you can still manually program your box, like a VCR.
I have discovered a possible major inconvenience, though. Twice
now the TV Guide on the DMR-E85H has asked me to set it up again,
probably because it ran out of guide data. Well, I don't care a
lot about the guide data, as I'm not really using it. BUT: *IT
ERASED ALL MY TIME-AND-INPUT RECORDING SCHEDULES*. If there's no
guide data it can get (don't care if it's accurate), will it do
that every day?
Gordon Burditt <gordonb.ah9i6@burditt.org> wrote:
>
> I have discovered a possible major inconvenience, though. Twice
> now the TV Guide on the DMR-E85H has asked me to set it up again,
> probably because it ran out of guide data. Well, I don't care a
> lot about the guide data, as I'm not really using it. BUT: *IT
> ERASED ALL MY TIME-AND-INPUT RECORDING SCHEDULES*. If there's no
> guide data it can get (don't care if it's accurate), will it do
> that every day?
>
Since your 85 lost all information, I would bet that it was caused
by an internal error and not simply the loss of guide data. Such
an internal error has happened several times to me in the many years
I have been using my 85.
Panasonic EH55 DMR Recorder lost On-Screen TV Guide
Time Warner cable insisted they did not change anything! With the help of Panasonic Support, we have proved that Time Warner is no longer sending the On-Screen TV Guide info. Panasonic has accepted to contact Time Warner in Milwaukee and attempt to get this resolved.
Panasonic EH55 DMR in the Milwaukee area using Time Warner cable!!!
With the help of Panasonic Support we have our On-Screen TV Guide back.
Thanks to everyone for their input as we worked through this. Hope others in the Milwaukee area are getting theirs back also. Sure does improve the value of the Panasonic recorder.
"Beauth" <Beauth.3opqmb@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Panasonic EH55 DMR in the Milwaukee area using Time Warner cable!!!
>
> With the help of Panasonic Support we have our On-Screen TV Guide back.
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for their input as we worked through this. Hope
> others in the Milwaukee area are getting theirs back also. Sure does
> improve the value of the Panasonic recorder.
>
> Thanks again.
>
I just checked mine (4:15 pm) ... still no TV Guide. I think it does the
actual download in the early morning, so I'm hopeful it will show up
tomorrow. Time-Warner has slightly different service depending on your
location. I'm in the western suburbs (Brookfield). Where are you? If I
don't get back my TV Guide listings by tomorrow, I may have to press them to
restore it to ALL areas. Alas!
Thanks for reporting back, and congrats on getting Panasonic to assist. It
seems it takes more than a mere customer to get any response from
Time-Warner; they never answered my inquiries about this matter.
On Feb 28, 2:05*am, gordonb.ah...@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote:
> >> > My DMR-E85H has always had the TV Guide functions but the guide
....
> Ok, so you're saying that a whole bunch of stuff that used to be
> in the vertical blanking interval of analog signals is going to go
> away? *I seem to recall that whole bunch of companies put stuff in
> there, including stock quotes and such (which you have to pay for
> to get). *I wonder how those are going to be replaced, or if they
> are still active.
....
There is no VBI in digital transmissions. The (admittedly cludgy) VBI
mechanism has been replaced by PSIP data streams in the digital
world. PSIP data can contain quite a bit more data than the VBI
mechanism, so if the broadcaster wants, anything data that used the
VBI mechanism could now use the PSIP data mechanism.
>
> Anyway, what happens to closed captioning? *I know that if I receive
> a digital station on a converter box, run it through my Panasonic
> DMR-E85H recorder (it's 100% analog), either by recording and later
> playback or just passthrough, and then run it into my TV (100%
> analog), and I mute the TV, that turns on closed captioning on the
> TV (that setting is sometimes convenient when answering the phone,
> even if everyone here can hear fine). *Either the format of closed
> captioning didn't change, or the converter box is translating
> closed-captioning from digital to analog and shipping it out in the
> analog signal.
....
If I'm not mistaken, the converter box is receiving and displaying the
closed captioning. Hmm... I'd be surprised to find out that you could
record the program *without* displaying closed captioning from the
converter box and be able to show closed captioning later, assuming
the source is a digital stations. Certainly, if you are simply
passing the analog output of the converter through to your TV, and the
converter has been set to show closed captioning, that would work. Or
if closed captioning is *on* in the converter when you do the
recording, that would work. The only other possiblity is if the
converter extracted the digital closed captioning and reinserted it in
the analog output. I wasn't aware any did that, but, hey, I've been
wrong before.
>
> I don't turn on closed captioning on the converter. *I suppose I
> could, but it doesn't work for recording and later playback. *Using
> it on the TV makes it work no matter what the source.
I'm surprised. Obviously, an analog TV can only display analog closed
captioning info, so the converter box must be supplying it. I wonder
if that's a requirement to support the deaf population?
>> Anyway, what happens to closed captioning? =A0I know that if I receive
>> a digital station on a converter box, run it through my Panasonic
>> DMR-E85H recorder (it's 100% analog), either by recording and later
>> playback or just passthrough, and then run it into my TV (100%
>> analog), and I mute the TV, that turns on closed captioning on the
>> TV (that setting is sometimes convenient when answering the phone,
>> even if everyone here can hear fine). =A0Either the format of closed
>> captioning didn't change, or the converter box is translating
>> closed-captioning from digital to analog and shipping it out in the
>> analog signal.
>...
>If I'm not mistaken, the converter box is receiving and displaying the
>closed captioning.
In this situation, the converter is not *DISPLAYING* the closed
captioning, because it's being turned on and off *ON THE TV*.
Putting a recorder in between them proves it. I don't turn on
closed captioning anywhere else (because it messes up recordings).
>Hmm... I'd be surprised to find out that you could
>record the program *without* displaying closed captioning from the
>converter box and be able to show closed captioning later, assuming
>the source is a digital stations.
I can do exactly that, with the converter box. I quit watching analog
stations quite a while ago, except occasionally to see if they are
still there.
My Tivo-HD also does the same. It has an ATSC tuner, but it's
translating the closed captioning on passthrough or playback of
recordings so the TV can display it. Same for the Panasonic EZ17
DVD recorder (also has an ATSC tuner), on both passthru and playback
of recordings.
That's 3 out of 3 ATSC receivers that encode digital closed captioning
in the analog for my analog-only TV to display.
>Certainly, if you are simply
>passing the analog output of the converter through to your TV, and the
>converter has been set to show closed captioning, that would work. Or
>if closed captioning is *on* in the converter when you do the
>recording, that would work.
Closed captioning is never turned on in the converter. It messes
up recordings. It is turned on in the TV, with the MUTE button,
and a setting in the TV that turns on closed captioning when the
TV is muted.
>The only other possiblity is if the
>converter extracted the digital closed captioning and reinserted it in
>the analog output.
This is what it must be doing, especially given that closed captioning
is preserved, but not stuck permanently on, on recordings. Do you
think it's possible for a TV set to *REMOVE* closed captioning when
its source has it turned on and the TV has it turned off? I don't.
Pieces of the picture are removed that you can't get back.
>I wasn't aware any did that, but, hey, I've been
>wrong before.
>
>>
>> I don't turn on closed captioning on the converter. =A0I suppose I
>> could, but it doesn't work for recording and later playback. =A0Using
>> it on the TV makes it work no matter what the source.
>
>I'm surprised. Obviously, an analog TV can only display analog closed
>captioning info, so the converter box must be supplying it. I wonder
>if that's a requirement to support the deaf population?
That's why we have/had analog closed captioning, isn't it?
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