On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:25:08 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
<spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>On 11/02/2008, Carl posted this:
>> On Oct 31, 7:05*pm, kaboomi...@NOSPAMyahoo.com (kaboom) wrote:
>>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:46:56 -0700 (PDT), Carl <cscarl...@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I own a Panasonic DVD Recorder E-85. It has worked well for 2 years
>>>> and then suddenly it won't turn on at all. The cord is working fine. I
>>>> took off the cover and checked the fuse and checked to be sure there
>>>> was 120 volts after the fuse and there is. I tried to check the switch
>>>> but I'm not sure how to check it as it is not something I'm familiar
>>>> with. I'm good with a multi-meter, but not an experienced tech person
>>>> with electronic equipment. Of course it is out of warranty and it
>>>> costs $130 plus shipping just to have Panasonic look at it. Does
>>>> anyone have a suggestion of what I can check to see what the problem
>>>> is short of spending a couple of hundred dollars. I appreciate any
>>>> suggestions. Thanks.
>>>
>>> **Hi Carl. Mine crapped out also and I'm going to have it fixed. Just
>>> try finding a name-brand DVD recorder with a hard drive! This site
>>> describes to a 'T' what is wrong with mine and how to fix it.
>>>
>>> http://vassfamily.net/projects/DMRE85H/dmre85h.html
>>>
>>> Try avsforum.com for help also, just search the e-85 on the forums.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps somewhat,
>>>
>>> kaboomie
>
>> I want to thank all who repsonded to my request for help with the
>> E-85 problem. I studied the references and took apart my DVD Recorder
>> and found the faulty capacitors and replaced them. Now it works great
>> and cost me about $6.00!
>> Carl
>
>****, I *so* wanted you to spend that $130 that I mentioned or up to
>$300 that I didn't mention. Our economy needs the boost.
**I've done my part!! Over the summer, just after my Panny kicked it,
I bought a Toshiba D-R410 for under $100. It was on the discontinued
rack at my local Circuit City (not one of the ones closing). I also
picked up a Panasonic DMR-EA18K at Target for $159 on sale. I use the
Toshiba with the TV and the new Panny is in the closet for the moment.
I used the old Panny to archive VHS and the hard drive is invaluable
for editing and making multiple copies.
>Also thanks to you, kaboom. Besides helping Carl, you've taught me a
>valuable lesson.
**You're welcome, Gene Now I'm wondering how I can get Carl to fix
mine
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>>> kaboom wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:46:56 -0700 (PDT), Carl <cscarlson@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I own a Panasonic DVD Recorder E-85. It has worked well for 2 years
>>>>> and then suddenly it won't turn on at all. The cord is working fine. I
>>>>> took off the cover and checked the fuse and checked to be sure there
>>>>> was 120 volts after the fuse and there is. I tried to check the switch
>>>>> but I'm not sure how to check it as it is not something I'm familiar
>>>>> with. I'm good with a multi-meter, but not an experienced tech person
>>>>> with electronic equipment. Of course it is out of warranty and it
>>>>> costs $130 plus shipping just to have Panasonic look at it. Does
>>>>> anyone have a suggestion of what I can check to see what the problem
>>>>> is short of spending a couple of hundred dollars. I appreciate any
>>>>> suggestions. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Hi Carl. Mine crapped out also and I'm going to have it fixed. Just
>>>> try finding a name-brand DVD recorder with a hard drive! This site
>>>> describes to a 'T' what is wrong with mine and how to fix it.
>>>>
>>>> http://vassfamily.net/projects/DMRE85H/dmre85h.html
>>>>
>>>> Try avsforum.com for help also, just search the e-85 on the forums. I
>>>> hope this helps somewhat,
>>>>
>>>> kaboomie
>>>>
>>> I've had my Panasonic for couple of years now and this past year I've
>>> had a fan directed on it when I use it to keep it cooler. Otherwise it
>>> tends to make noises when it records and I've had it bug out once or
>>> twice this past year. I just bought a new one to replace it and will
>>> switch over this weekend.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suppose Panasonic will like it if you buy a new recorder every two
>> years...
>>
>>
> I don't know if it is because I use it A LOT, really, or because it is
> under the tv with the cable box, dvd player and vcr and it gets rather
> warm down there. That was why I started using the fan to try to cool it.
> Today I was trying to record something and finish a disc so I could start
> with the new player and it suddenly stopped and self-checked. When I took
> the disc out there was something splattered on the business side of the
> dvd. I tried to clean it but it looks like it melted through the plastic
> cover.
Gosh, that doesn't sound good...
> I don't know what it was since I'd been using the disc for a week, putting
> misc. recordings on it. Weird.
> Now I'm going to try to place the recorder somewhere else, where it
> hopefully won't get so hot. Hopefully that will make it last longer.
> Unfortunately I probably won't record less since I'm a Mad Recorder!
I mostly use the harddisc for recording. Sometimes, if worthwile, I dub to
DVD's. The device is still working fine after about 2 years, but I do take
care for good ventilation. (do not place in narrow or closed enclosures) The
device (LG) itself has a fan.
On 11/03/2008, kaboom posted this:
> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:25:08 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
> <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>> On 11/02/2008, Carl posted this:
>>> On Oct 31, 7:05*pm, kaboomi...@NOSPAMyahoo.com (kaboom) wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:46:56 -0700 (PDT), Carl <cscarl...@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I own a Panasonic DVD Recorder E-85. It has worked well for 2 years
>>>>> and then suddenly it won't turn on at all. The cord is working fine. I
>>>>> took off the cover and checked the fuse and checked to be sure there
>>>>> was 120 volts after the fuse and there is. I tried to check the switch
>>>>> but I'm not sure how to check it as it is not something I'm familiar
>>>>> with. I'm good with a multi-meter, but not an experienced tech person
>>>>> with electronic equipment. Of course it is out of warranty and it
>>>>> costs $130 plus shipping just to have Panasonic look at it. Does
>>>>> anyone have a suggestion of what I can check to see what the problem
>>>>> is short of spending a couple of hundred dollars. I appreciate any
>>>>> suggestions. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> **Hi Carl. Mine crapped out also and I'm going to have it fixed. Just
>>>> try finding a name-brand DVD recorder with a hard drive! This site
>>>> describes to a 'T' what is wrong with mine and how to fix it.
>>>>
>>>> http://vassfamily.net/projects/DMRE85H/dmre85h.html
>>>>
>>>> Try avsforum.com for help also, just search the e-85 on the forums.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps somewhat,
>>>>
>>>> kaboomie
>>
>>> I want to thank all who repsonded to my request for help with the
>>> E-85 problem. I studied the references and took apart my DVD Recorder
>>> and found the faulty capacitors and replaced them. Now it works great
>>> and cost me about $6.00!
>>> Carl
>>
>> ****, I *so* wanted you to spend that $130 that I mentioned or up to
>> $300 that I didn't mention. Our economy needs the boost.
> **I've done my part!! Over the summer, just after my Panny kicked it,
> I bought a Toshiba D-R410 for under $100. It was on the discontinued
> rack at my local Circuit City (not one of the ones closing). I also
> picked up a Panasonic DMR-EA18K at Target for $159 on sale. I use the
> Toshiba with the TV and the new Panny is in the closet for the moment.
> I used the old Panny to archive VHS and the hard drive is invaluable
> for editing and making multiple copies.
Thanks for helping our economy :-)
>> Also thanks to you, kaboom. Besides helping Carl, you've taught me a
>> valuable lesson.
> **You're welcome, Gene Now I'm wondering how I can get Carl to fix
> mine
> kaboomie
From the URL you published, it looks like a pretty straightforward job
- also, IMHO, that site is as clear as Heathkit instructions were, back
in the day.
If I still lived in RI, I could drop in on you with tools and fix it
(if I figured your approximate location correctly). Unfortunately, I'm
now a couple of thousand miles west of there...
--
Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251
(replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
RickMerrill <Rick0.merrill@gmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
> root wrote:
>> Carl <cscarlson@cox.net> wrote:
>>> I want to thank all who repsonded to my request for help with the
>>> E-85 problem. I studied the references and took apart my DVD Recorder
>>> and found the faulty capacitors and replaced them. Now it works great
>>> and cost me about $6.00!
>>> Carl
>>
>> So far so good. Comes the next problem for E85 in February. If you
>> are recording over-the-air your tuner will shut down after the
>> switch-over to digital channels.
>
> "shut down"? I think not. Some LP channels (low power) will continue
> to broadcast. Add a "converter box) and your e85 can carry on indefinately.
>
I suppose you could connect three converter boxes, each tuned
to a different channel to allow you to record events on the
three. It isn't the same as the '85, though. I am wondering
if the analog PBS station on UHF will continue which would
allow the program schedule to function.
>
>
>> If you are recording from cable,
>> you will rely on the *generosity* of the cable company to supply
>> analog channels.
>
> Actually, they are required by the FCC in the USA to continue
> cablecast of analog until 2012. After that, sayonara!
>
Somebody should tell the FCC what is happening then: cable providers
are switching channels from analog to digital so they are only
available through the cable box.
>>
>> The newest Panasonic DVDRs with digital tuners are not anywhere
>> as reliable as the E85....
>
> Can you quantify that? (mbtf?)
Not a mtbf question, the new recorders have a design flaw: if you
schedule a program that requires the units to change channels
and if they don't acquire the signal fast enough, then the
units go into pause mode and you lose the entire program.
I have never lost a program if I set the channel before I turn
the unit off, but if I have two programs to record in sequence
I frequently lose the second program. I have tried to tell Panasonic
about the problem but I haven't been able to get through to anybody
who counts.
This behavior holds for the EZ-17, EZ-27, and the current EZ-28.
root wrote:
> RickMerrill <Rick0.merrill@gmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>> root wrote:
>>> Carl <cscarlson@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> I want to thank all who repsonded to my request for help with the
>>>> E-85 problem. I studied the references and took apart my DVD Recorder
>>>> and found the faulty capacitors and replaced them. Now it works great
>>>> and cost me about $6.00!
>>>> Carl
>>> So far so good. Comes the next problem for E85 in February. If you
>>> are recording over-the-air your tuner will shut down after the
>>> switch-over to digital channels.
>> "shut down"? I think not. Some LP channels (low power) will continue
>> to broadcast. Add a "converter box) and your e85 can carry on indefinately.
>>
>
> I suppose you could connect three converter boxes, each tuned
> to a different channel to allow you to record events on the
> three. It isn't the same as the '85, though. I am wondering
> if the analog PBS station on UHF will continue which would
> allow the program schedule to function.
>
>>
>>> If you are recording from cable,
>>> you will rely on the *generosity* of the cable company to supply
>>> analog channels.
>> Actually, they are required by the FCC in the USA to continue
>> cablecast of analog until 2012. After that, sayonara!
>>
>
> Somebody should tell the FCC what is happening then: cable providers
> are switching channels from analog to digital so they are only
> available through the cable box.
>>> The newest Panasonic DVDRs with digital tuners are not anywhere
>>> as reliable as the E85....
>> Can you quantify that? (mbtf?)
>
> Not a mtbf question, the new recorders have a design flaw: if you
> schedule a program that requires the units to change channels
> and if they don't acquire the signal fast enough, then the
> units go into pause mode and you lose the entire program.
Well put! That's almost a classic synchronization problem.
> I have never lost a program if I set the channel before I turn
> the unit off, but if I have two programs to record in sequence
> I frequently lose the second program. I have tried to tell Panasonic
> about the problem but I haven't been able to get through to anybody
> who counts.
RickMerrill <Rick0.merrill@gmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>> This behavior holds for the EZ-17, EZ-27, and the current EZ-28.
>
> That's a serious product line deficiency. How did you find it was a
> problem for those products?
root wrote:
> RickMerrill <Rick0.merrill@gmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>>> This behavior holds for the EZ-17, EZ-27, and the current EZ-28.
>> That's a serious product line deficiency. How did you find it was a
>> problem for those products?
>
> I own each of them.
Are you a researcher for consumer reports or a glutton for punishment?-)
On Nov 4, 2:02*pm, root <NoEM...@home.org> wrote:
> RickMerrill <Rick0.merr...@gmail.NOSPAM.com> wrote:
> > root wrote:
> >> Carl <cscarl...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> I want to thank all who repsonded to my request for help with *the
> >>> E-85 problem. I studied the references and took apart my DVD Recorder
> >>> and found the faulty capacitors and replaced them. Now it works great
> >>> and cost me about $6.00!
> >>> Carl
>
> >> So far so good. Comes the next problem for E85 in February. If you
> >> are recording over-the-air your tuner will shut down after the
> >> switch-over to digital channels.
>
> > "shut down"? *I think not. *Some LP channels (low power) will continue
> > to broadcast. Add a "converter box) and your e85 can carry on indefinately.
>
> I suppose you could connect three converter boxes, each tuned
> to a different channel to allow you to record events on the
> three. It isn't the same as the '85, though. I am wondering
> if the analog PBS station on UHF will continue which would
> allow the program schedule to function.
>
>
>
> >> If you are recording from cable,
> >> you will rely on the *generosity* of the cable company to supply
> >> analog channels.
>
> > Actually, they are required by the FCC in the USA to continue
> > cablecast of analog until 2012. *After that, sayonara!
>
> Somebody should tell the FCC what is happening then: cable providers
> are switching channels from analog to digital so they are only
> available through the cable box.
>
>
>
> >> The newest Panasonic DVDRs with digital tuners are not anywhere
> >> as reliable as the E85....
>
> > Can you quantify that? (mbtf?)
>
> Not a mtbf question, the new recorders have a design flaw: if you
> schedule a program that requires the units to change channels
> and if they don't acquire the signal fast enough, then the
> units go into pause mode and you lose the entire program.
>
> I have never lost a program if I set the channel before I turn
> the unit off, but if I have two programs to record in sequence
> I frequently lose the second program. I have tried to tell Panasonic
> about the problem but I haven't been able to get through to anybody
> who counts.
>
> This behavior holds for the EZ-17, EZ-27, and the current EZ-28.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Interesting. I have an EZ-17 and and EZ-28, but I've not noticed this
behavior. Of course I normally record 1 show to a disk, so I don't do
the "2 shows in a sequence" thing. However, I never preset the
channel before the next recording and I have never missed a
recording. How good are your stations on the Panasonic signal quality
meter?
dmaster <dan.woj@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Interesting. I have an EZ-17 and and EZ-28, but I've not noticed this
> behavior. Of course I normally record 1 show to a disk, so I don't do
> the "2 shows in a sequence" thing. However, I never preset the
> channel before the next recording and I have never missed a
> recording. How good are your stations on the Panasonic signal quality
> meter?
>
> Dan (Woj...)
I don't know about the Panasonic meter. How do you bring it up?
I live in the LA area, about 3 miles line-of-sight from the
Mt Wilson TV transmitters. I have a very large Winegard roof antenna
with a Channel Master rf distribution amplifier feeding the
several recorders I use. I am confident the problem is not signal
strength, but I am open to your suggestion.
root wrote:
>
> dmaster <dan.woj@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. I have an EZ-17 and and EZ-28, but I've not noticed this
> > behavior. Of course I normally record 1 show to a disk, so I don't do
> > the "2 shows in a sequence" thing. However, I never preset the
> > channel before the next recording and I have never missed a
> > recording. How good are your stations on the Panasonic signal quality
> > meter?
> >
> > Dan (Woj...)
>
> I don't know about the Panasonic meter. How do you bring it up?
To view the signal strenth meter, Press the DISPLAY button and
scroll down to OTHER
I mainly use my TiVo's to do the inital recording and then later
transfer
shows to my Panasonic EZ-27. Last night there were several conflicts so
I set two of them to record staight to the Panny and ran into the
problem
that another poster noted. They were back to back shows on different
channels. When I went to check to see that the second show was
recording
OK, it was stuck in REC-PAUSE mode. I had to unplug the unit to get it
unlocked. I ended up loosing the 1st few minutes of the show.
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