I am trying to edit video contents from DVDs using Adobe Premiere
Elements in this case. I'm trying to edit straight from the imported
Vob files.
I've extracted the Vob files with either DVD Shrink or DVDFab with no
compression.
Can anyone tell why I end up with a small glitch at the splicing
junction whenever I attempt to butt splice two Vob files on the
timeline. I'm talking about two Vob files where the scene is otherwise
continuous from one Vob to the other ?
The glitches are short and sometimes hardly noticeable on the video,
sometimes it is an audio glitch only instead.
"Pierre" <piejar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am trying to edit video contents from DVDs using Adobe Premiere
> Elements in this case. I'm trying to edit straight from the imported
> Vob files.
>
> I've extracted the Vob files with either DVD Shrink or DVDFab with no
> compression.
>
> Can anyone tell why I end up with a small glitch at the splicing
> junction whenever I attempt to butt splice two Vob files on the
> timeline. I'm talking about two Vob files where the scene is otherwise
> continuous from one Vob to the other ?
> The glitches are short and sometimes hardly noticeable on the video,
> sometimes it is an audio glitch only instead.
>
>
>
> Pierre
>
Does Premiere Elements offer a means to select from
the DVD by "titles" and/or tracks ? In other words, to
select the audio and video streams that are laid out on
the DVD as associated tracks within a title?
If not then you might look for a tool that does, like www.VideoReDo.com TVSuite. If you only have
some to do now then you could get it done with their
free trial period.
Thanks for the reply but as far as I can see, Premiere Elements
doesn't offer the means to select from DVD by titles / tracks etc.
This, I can do with the likes of DVDFab. If I want to, I can
successfully convert all the Vob files with "TMPG Enc.Express" or
"VideoReDo" like you suggested and now I've tried.
What I'm really after is an answer as to what causes there to be a
glitch between two extracted Vob files sliced together on the
timeline... and possibly how to remedy this, as I would prefer to edit
straight from the Vob files and then re author or 'save as' from
there.
> I am trying to edit video contents from DVDs using Adobe Premiere
> Elements in this case. I'm trying to edit straight from the imported Vob
> files.
>
> I've extracted the Vob files with either DVD Shrink or DVDFab with no
> compression.
>
Its already compressed.
The VOB file has the same structure as a MPEG-2 file, made up of I, P & B
frames.
AFAIK dvdshrink is not frame accurate, depending where the I frames fall
there could be up to half a second 'lost'
> Can anyone tell why I end up with a small glitch at the splicing
> junction whenever I attempt to butt splice two Vob files on the
> timeline. I'm talking about two Vob files where the scene is otherwise
> continuous from one Vob to the other ? The glitches are short and
> sometimes hardly noticeable on the video, sometimes it is an audio
> glitch only instead.
>
Try something else to rip the vob files off the dvd.
Videoredo is one
DVDdecrypter might be worth a try especially if you use it to join all
the VOB's into one file, that should eliminate any end of file errors.
Very general guide to this.
Set DVDdecrypter to file mode.
Go to the tools menu -> settings -> IFO Mode Tab, then in options set
file splitting to none.
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:24:21 -0700, Pierre wrote:
>
>> I am trying to edit video contents from DVDs using Adobe Premiere
>> Elements in this case. I'm trying to edit straight from the imported
>> Vob files.
>>
>> I've extracted the Vob files with either DVD Shrink or DVDFab with no
>> compression.
>>
> Its already compressed.
My appologies - not thinking this morning, you have not shrunk the D9 to
D5
"Pierre" <piejar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the reply but as far as I can see, Premiere Elements
> doesn't offer the means to select from DVD by titles / tracks etc.
> This, I can do with the likes of DVDFab. If I want to, I can
> successfully convert all the Vob files with "TMPG Enc.Express" or
> "VideoReDo" like you suggested and now I've tried.
> What I'm really after is an answer as to what causes there to be a
> glitch between two extracted Vob files sliced together on the
> timeline... and possibly how to remedy this, as I would prefer to edit
> straight from the Vob files and then re author or 'save as' from
> there.
>
> Pierre
There is a benifit to having properly extracted the streams
from the DVD, in that the .vob files that form a VTS (Video
Title Set) can have the video and audio streams mixed
together not only between themselves, but with other data
used by the DVD. Programs like VideoReDo can extract
and remux the streams into a simpler but more properly
defined .mpg. While no manipulation is done to either video
or audio stream, the data is reordered into a more consistent
flow, with the audio and video streams properly interlaced and
notated to be a frame by frame sequential playback.
As to what you have on the timeline, you should be able to
zoom into single frame manipulation, assuming it handles MPEG
with a "Smart Rendering" function.
You should have a better result on your timelines if you are
feeding them a properly constructed .mpg of the whole VTS,
rather than the individual .vob files. Of course, you should
take advantage of the cut and join functions of VideoReDo to
create any smaller clips from the title that you can anticipate
needing for the edit.
Pierre wrote:
> Thanks for the reply but as far as I can see, Premiere Elements
> doesn't offer the means to select from DVD by titles / tracks etc.
> This, I can do with the likes of DVDFab. If I want to, I can
> successfully convert all the Vob files with "TMPG Enc.Express" or
> "VideoReDo" like you suggested and now I've tried.
> What I'm really after is an answer as to what causes there to be a
> glitch between two extracted Vob files sliced together on the
> timeline... and possibly how to remedy this, as I would prefer to edit
> straight from the Vob files and then re author or 'save as' from
> there.
>
> Pierre
My experience with VideoRedo and Nero Recode....
When adding more then one video file they ask if I
want to
"combine or join" the files.
"combine" leaves no glitch.
"join" leaves a glitch.
I have no idea what the actual difference is or
why one would want to
"join" the files instead of "combine".
jmc
(I've also had some files function fine on the
computer but once
put on dvd and played on a stand alone player they
"glitch".
Think that may have been before i discovered
"combine")
On Jul 19, 8:52*pm, rich <r...@nohome.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:24:21 -0700, Pierre wrote:
> > I am trying to edit video contents from DVDs using Adobe Premiere
> > Elements in this case. I'm trying to edit straight from the imported Vob
> > files.
>
> > I've extracted *the Vob files with either DVD Shrink or DVDFab with no
> > compression.
>
> Its already compressed.
> The VOB file has the same structure as a MPEG-2 file, made up of I, P & B
> frames.
> AFAIK dvdshrink is not frame accurate, depending where the I frames fall
> there could be up to half a second 'lost'
>
> > Can anyone tell why I end up with a small glitch at the splicing
> > junction whenever I attempt to butt splice two Vob files on the
> > timeline. I'm talking about two Vob files where the scene is otherwise
> > continuous from one Vob to the other ? The glitches are short and
> > sometimes hardly noticeable on the video, sometimes it is an audio
> > glitch only instead.
>
> Try something else to rip the vob files off the dvd.
>
> Videoredo is one
>
> DVDdecrypter might be worth a try especially if you use it to join all
> the VOB's into one file, that should eliminate any end of file errors.
>
> Very general guide to this.
> Set DVDdecrypter to file mode.
> Go to the tools menu -> settings -> IFO Mode Tab, then in options set
> file splitting to none.
>
> --
> rich
Thanks for all the replies so far.
Rich, re:
> AFAIK dvdshrink is not frame accurate, depending where the I frames fall
> there could be up to half a second 'lost'
That's probably the simple answer I was half expecting to hear...
I will try to rip using other programs as suggested and see how that
goes.
What would be the most 'professional' program to accurately rip Vob
from DVD?
> On Jul 19, 8:52Â*pm, rich <r...@nohome.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:24:21 -0700, Pierre wrote:
>> > I am trying to edit video contents from DVDs using Adobe Premiere
>> > Elements in this case. I'm trying to edit straight from the imported
>> > Vob files.
>>
>> > I've extracted Â*the Vob files with either DVD Shrink or DVDFab with
>> > no compression.
<snip>
>> AFAIK dvdshrink is not frame accurate, depending where the I frames
>> fall there could be up to half a second 'lost'
>
> That's probably the simple answer I was half expecting to hear...
>
> I will try to rip using other programs as suggested and see how that
> goes.
> What would be the most 'professional' program to accurately rip Vob from
> DVD?
>
> Pierre
I only use DVDdecrypter, otherwise I playback video and capture with my
old ATI AIW 9000 capture card.
"jmc" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Pierre wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply but as far as I can see, Premiere
>> Elements
>> doesn't offer the means to select from DVD by titles / tracks
>> etc.
>> This, I can do with the likes of DVDFab. If I want to, I can
>> successfully convert all the Vob files with "TMPG
>> Enc.Express" or
>> "VideoReDo" like you suggested and now I've tried.
>> What I'm really after is an answer as to what causes there to
>> be a
>> glitch between two extracted Vob files sliced together on the
>> timeline... and possibly how to remedy this, as I would
>> prefer to edit
>> straight from the Vob files and then re author or 'save as'
>> from
>> there.
>>
>> Pierre
>
> My experience with VideoRedo and Nero Recode....
> When adding more then one video file they ask if I want to
> "combine or join" the files.
>
> "combine" leaves no glitch.
>
> "join" leaves a glitch.
>
> I have no idea what the actual difference is or why one would
> want to
> "join" the files instead of "combine".
>
> jmc
> (I've also had some files function fine on the computer but
> once
> put on dvd and played on a stand alone player they "glitch".
> Think that may have been before i discovered "combine")
>
According to VRD+ help, combine is an input fuction that merges
files at the frame level. Join is an output function which
expects each "file" to begin on a GOP boundary (i-frame). Files
which do not begin on an i-frame will have all frames preceding
the i-frame dropped.
The confusion comes about because the open function, clearly an
input fuction, has the option to join or combine files. The
Join list (menu option), is more obviously an output function
when editing - and there is no combine function available for
edited output.
So, dropping semantics, joined files will be concatenated
without including any p/b frames preceding the first i frame.
Combined files will include all frames from all files.
There is also an obvious caution in the help screens. Files of
different sources should not be combined, lest preceding p/b
frames be used in error in reference to trailing i/p/b frames.
I use VRD+'s join function quite often, to insert extra black
GOPs into HDTV captures where they've been edited for little or
no black between show and commercial and there is also a scene
change at the point in question. Obviously the dropped p/b
frame issue woud go un-noticed during playback in this case.
Help with Vob files splicing and glitches 
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