I am currently transcribing most of my old TV capture DVDs
(6 episodes per disk of 1/2 D1 MPEG2) into the MP/L3
720x480 AVC/H.264, that I store on and play from NAS.
The 1998 "Buffy" episode DVDs still play well and I have
no problem extracting the .vob files with IsoBuster.
The 352x480 MP/ML 4/3 4:2:0 interlaced MPEG2 video
stream of the DVDs holds up surprisingly well when
transcoded to 720x480 16/9 AVC and then played back
at 720p HDTV.
So DVDs can last for a decade, in some cases. That said,
I still would not advise depending on DVDs for the archiving
of any critical data.
"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> schreef in bericht
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> I am currently transcribing most of my old TV capture DVDs
> (6 episodes per disk of 1/2 D1 MPEG2) into the MP/L3
> 720x480 AVC/H.264, that I store on and play from NAS.
>
> The 1998 "Buffy" episode DVDs still play well and I have
> no problem extracting the .vob files with IsoBuster.
>
> The 352x480 MP/ML 4/3 4:2:0 interlaced MPEG2 video
> stream of the DVDs holds up surprisingly well when
> transcoded to 720x480 16/9 AVC and then played back
> at 720p HDTV.
>
> So DVDs can last for a decade, in some cases. That said,
> I still would not advise depending on DVDs for the archiving
> of any critical data.
I have never had any succesfully burnt CD or DVD which became bad later on
in time. I think handling and storage may also be an issue.
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> "Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> schreef in bericht
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>> I am currently transcribing most of my old TV capture DVDs
>> (6 episodes per disk of 1/2 D1 MPEG2) into the MP/L3
>> 720x480 AVC/H.264, that I store on and play from NAS.
>>
>> The 1998 "Buffy" episode DVDs still play well and I have
>> no problem extracting the .vob files with IsoBuster.
>>
>> The 352x480 MP/ML 4/3 4:2:0 interlaced MPEG2 video
>> stream of the DVDs holds up surprisingly well when
>> transcoded to 720x480 16/9 AVC and then played back
>> at 720p HDTV.
>>
>> So DVDs can last for a decade, in some cases.
***Error, not proven by my current efforts***
Review of the file creation dates show the oldest of these TV
capture DVDs were in 2003. The ealier seasons must have
been captured from reruns.
I guess the brain is the first thing to go, after all. I'm sorry for
posting this erroneous thread.
Sorry;
Ken
>> That said,
>> I still would not advise depending on DVDs for the archiving
>> of any critical data.
>
>
> I have never had any succesfully burnt CD or DVD which became bad later on
> in time. I think handling and storage may also be an issue.
>
>
>
> --
> regards,
>
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> \../
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>
>
"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> I am currently transcribing most of my old TV capture DVDs
> (6 episodes per disk of 1/2 D1 MPEG2) into the MP/L3
> 720x480 AVC/H.264, that I store on and play from NAS.
>
> The 1998 "Buffy" episode DVDs still play well and I have
> no problem extracting the .vob files with IsoBuster.
>
> The 352x480 MP/ML 4/3 4:2:0 interlaced MPEG2 video
> stream of the DVDs holds up surprisingly well when
> transcoded to 720x480 16/9 AVC and then played back
> at 720p HDTV.
>
> So DVDs can last for a decade, in some cases. That said,
> I still would not advise depending on DVDs for the archiving
> of any critical data.
>
I'm curious, why have you chosen to transcribe your captures and
why were they 352x480?
It's not been too long since I copied the last of my TV capture
DVDs to SATA HDD. Very few were in DVD format, older ones, from
analog Hauppauge devices, were MPEG2 720x480 @ 12 mbps, and in
some cases xvid 720x400 or 480 I'd made from the MPEG2s at bit
rates around 2 mbps, newer ones, from OnAir devices, are MPEG2
1920x1080 or 1280x720 at whatever the source bit rate was. It
took long enough just to go thru the almost 800 DVD5 rewritable
discs, skipping copying about 30% of the collection, and finally
discarding all the DVDs, jewel cases, and cover sheets. The
oldest dozen discs were from whenever a DVD+RW burner first
appeared on the scene. Many of the discs had been rewritten
dozens of times. None indicated any errors in this final data
transfer.
Those videos are now spread across a mere 4 drives of the
fifteen 750 and 1000 GB capacity drives on hand. My motivation
for the transfer was space saving, each of the HDDs is housed in
a Wiebetech anti stat box and all 15 fit in a single layer on a
16.5x7" side shelf of one TV cabinet.
I had not been experiencing enough problems with DVD playback to
abandon the media for quality issues. With rare exception, any
disc which appeared to stutter or pixilate in playback was
recovered by just copying it to a newer disc.
"CLicker" <CLicker@invalid.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:qeSdncucjYfBiL7XnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>> I am currently transcribing most of my old TV capture DVDs
>> (6 episodes per disk of 1/2 D1 MPEG2) into the MP/L3
>> 720x480 AVC/H.264, that I store on and play from NAS.
>>
>> The 1998 "Buffy" episode DVDs still play well and I have
>> no problem extracting the .vob files with IsoBuster.
>>
>> The 352x480 MP/ML 4/3 4:2:0 interlaced MPEG2 video
>> stream of the DVDs holds up surprisingly well when
>> transcoded to 720x480 16/9 AVC and then played back
>> at 720p HDTV.
>>
>> So DVDs can last for a decade, in some cases. That said,
>> I still would not advise depending on DVDs for the archiving
>> of any critical data.
>>
>
> I'm curious, why have you chosen to transcribe your captures and why were
> they 352x480?
>
> It's not been too long since I copied the last of my TV capture DVDs to
> SATA HDD. Very few were in DVD format, older ones, from analog Hauppauge
> devices, were MPEG2 720x480 @ 12 mbps, and in some cases xvid 720x400 or
> 480 I'd made from the MPEG2s at bit rates around 2 mbps, newer ones, from
> OnAir devices, are MPEG2 1920x1080 or 1280x720 at whatever the source bit
> rate was. It took long enough just to go thru the almost 800 DVD5
> rewritable discs, skipping copying about 30% of the collection, and
> finally discarding all the DVDs, jewel cases, and cover sheets. The
> oldest dozen discs were from whenever a DVD+RW burner first appeared on
> the scene. Many of the discs had been rewritten dozens of times. None
> indicated any errors in this final data transfer.
>
> Those videos are now spread across a mere 4 drives of the fifteen 750 and
> 1000 GB capacity drives on hand. My motivation for the transfer was space
> saving, each of the HDDs is housed in a Wiebetech anti stat box and all 15
> fit in a single layer on a 16.5x7" side shelf of one TV cabinet.
>
> I had not been experiencing enough problems with DVD playback to abandon
> the media for quality issues. With rare exception, any disc which
> appeared to stutter or pixilate in playback was recovered by just copying
> it to a newer disc.
>
>
The main reason for for transcribing the old DVD collection is to
have all that video instantly available to all the devices on my home
Gigabit LAN. For some of that it includes TV series that didn't
even make it to DVD commercially or that I had for a few years
before they ever were released to DVD. One season shows like
Dersden and the less well recieved shows like New Amsterdam
and Painkiller Jane, for instance.
The transcribing to AVC/H.264 was to have the most actual video
and audio data in the least file space. This AVC compression allows
for as much image data as a much higher bitrate MPEG2, to be
encoded to a smaller/ lower bitrate file. By using what is basiclly a
higher density video data in SD frame size as the storage medium, I
have video that can be played off the LAN without any special
streaming needed. There is enough actual image data in these SD
files to allow them to play at 720p with almost the same appearance
as they had when they originally played at 720p from my DirecTV
HD DVR. All the earlier SD sourced TV or DVD video retain all
the quality of their original accusition, as well.
The 1/2 D1 (352x480) MPEG 2 is another example of matching
the capture/storage size to the amount of actual image data that was
available off the analog TV and VCR video stream, of those days.
It was also in comformance with the DVD standards, making it a
quick and simple process to store and playback the video via DVD.
While I was aware of how well video stored in the 1/2 D1 format
looked when transcribed into full D1 SD (720x480), I was surprised
at how well it plays at 720p, after such transcoding.
My current "TV" captures are off my DirecTV HD DVR using the
analog Componet 720p output to an Intensity Pro card in a PC. I
use GraphEdit to capture the 720p and transcode to an .mpg with
an RGB 1280x1440 12 bit video stream created from the 720p
HDTV input. After triming the .mpg in VideoReDo, I transcode it
into SD AVC/H.264, for storage and distribution over my LAN.
These captured HD TV shows, (now as low bitrate SD AVC)
played back at HD720p; compare very favorably with commercial,
higher bitrate DVDs played back at 720p.
"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "CLicker" <CLicker@invalid.org> wrote in message
> news:FXVVl.1483$VL5.771@newsfe22.iad...
>>
>> "Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:qeSdncucjYfBiL7XnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>> I am currently transcribing most of my old TV capture DVDs
>>> (6 episodes per disk of 1/2 D1 MPEG2) into the MP/L3
>>> 720x480 AVC/H.264, that I store on and play from NAS.
>>>
>>> The 1998 "Buffy" episode DVDs still play well and I have
>>> no problem extracting the .vob files with IsoBuster.
>>>
>>> The 352x480 MP/ML 4/3 4:2:0 interlaced MPEG2 video
>>> stream of the DVDs holds up surprisingly well when
>>> transcoded to 720x480 16/9 AVC and then played back
>>> at 720p HDTV.
>>>
>>> So DVDs can last for a decade, in some cases. That said,
>>> I still would not advise depending on DVDs for the archiving
>>> of any critical data.
>>>
>>
>> I'm curious, why have you chosen to transcribe your captures
>> and why were they 352x480?
>>
>> It's not been too long since I copied the last of my TV
>> capture DVDs to SATA HDD. Very few were in DVD format, older
>> ones, from analog Hauppauge devices, were MPEG2 720x480 @ 12
>> mbps, and in some cases xvid 720x400 or 480 I'd made from the
>> MPEG2s at bit rates around 2 mbps, newer ones, from OnAir
>> devices, are MPEG2 1920x1080 or 1280x720 at whatever the
>> source bit rate was. It took long enough just to go thru the
>> almost 800 DVD5 rewritable discs, skipping copying about 30%
>> of the collection, and finally discarding all the DVDs, jewel
>> cases, and cover sheets. The oldest dozen discs were from
>> whenever a DVD+RW burner first appeared on the scene. Many
>> of the discs had been rewritten dozens of times. None
>> indicated any errors in this final data transfer.
>>
>> Those videos are now spread across a mere 4 drives of the
>> fifteen 750 and 1000 GB capacity drives on hand. My
>> motivation for the transfer was space saving, each of the
>> HDDs is housed in a Wiebetech anti stat box and all 15 fit in
>> a single layer on a 16.5x7" side shelf of one TV cabinet.
>>
>> I had not been experiencing enough problems with DVD playback
>> to abandon the media for quality issues. With rare
>> exception, any disc which appeared to stutter or pixilate in
>> playback was recovered by just copying it to a newer disc.
>>
>>
>
> The main reason for for transcribing the old DVD collection
> is to
> have all that video instantly available to all the devices on
> my home
> Gigabit LAN. For some of that it includes TV series that
> didn't
> even make it to DVD commercially or that I had for a few years
> before they ever were released to DVD. One season shows like
> Dersden and the less well recieved shows like New Amsterdam
> and Painkiller Jane, for instance.
>
> The transcribing to AVC/H.264 was to have the most actual
> video
> and audio data in the least file space. This AVC compression
> allows
> for as much image data as a much higher bitrate MPEG2, to be
> encoded to a smaller/ lower bitrate file. By using what is
> basiclly a
> higher density video data in SD frame size as the storage
> medium, I
> have video that can be played off the LAN without any special
> streaming needed. There is enough actual image data in these
> SD
> files to allow them to play at 720p with almost the same
> appearance
> as they had when they originally played at 720p from my
> DirecTV
> HD DVR. All the earlier SD sourced TV or DVD video retain all
> the quality of their original accusition, as well.
>
> The 1/2 D1 (352x480) MPEG 2 is another example of matching
> the capture/storage size to the amount of actual image data
> that was
> available off the analog TV and VCR video stream, of those
> days.
> It was also in comformance with the DVD standards, making it a
> quick and simple process to store and playback the video via
> DVD.
> While I was aware of how well video stored in the 1/2 D1
> format
> looked when transcribed into full D1 SD (720x480), I was
> surprised
> at how well it plays at 720p, after such transcoding.
>
> My current "TV" captures are off my DirecTV HD DVR using the
> analog Componet 720p output to an Intensity Pro card in a PC.
> I
> use GraphEdit to capture the 720p and transcode to an .mpg
> with
> an RGB 1280x1440 12 bit video stream created from the 720p
> HDTV input. After triming the .mpg in VideoReDo, I transcode
> it
> into SD AVC/H.264, for storage and distribution over my LAN.
> These captured HD TV shows, (now as low bitrate SD AVC)
> played back at HD720p; compare very favorably with commercial,
> higher bitrate DVDs played back at 720p.
>
> Luck;
> Ken
>
>
Thanks for the info.
10 yr old burned DVDs all proving good 
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