"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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> Wireless flash has been available since 1.10, what Samsung flashes are you
> using?<<
I've bought the Samsung SEF-36PXF, which is an identical clone of the Pentax
AF-360FGZ. It cost £99.99, unlike the Pentax version which goes for between
£150 - £200.
>> In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
>> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
>
> Rubbish, this is market driven because the big players have in lens
> motors.<
'Rubbish'? - try not to be so agressive. I, personally, have little doubt
that in-lens motors were Samsung's idea - they know what the market wants,
unlike Pentax who were obliged to constantly reissue dismal variations of
their 6mp *istD until Samsung put some money into the pot.
I daresay that, if not for the need by Pentax to support existing lenses,
Samsung would have gone for in-lens drive from the outset.
>
>> Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted
>> upon a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body
>> drive for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way they will
>> not allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
> Everyone has known for weeks.
Endless product delays are another Pentax specialty (645D, anyone?....) -
perhaps, this time, prompted by the fact that they are on the brink of going
out of the camera business for good.
On May 4, 3:06�am, "Sam" <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
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> news:1hxjs37.jed9g11fe8k00N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sam <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>
> >> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
> >>news:1hxjpqn.etn724pqlb2lN%usenet@mile23.c0m.. .
> >> > Sam <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D
> >> >> clone)
> >> >> is
> >> >> as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
> >> > [..]
>
> >> > Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
> >> > lenses?<<
>
> >> I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives all
> >> the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
>
> >> Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first quarter
> >> of
> >> 2007' - so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously
> >> means
> >> that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive.
>
> > Well, no it doesn't mean that at all. The DA* lenses can also use the
> > in-camera motor, and I can imagine Pentax wanting their brand to have
> > the super-cool feature set that Samsung/Schneider doesn't. It'd be nice
> > to know for sure, but I can't even find the cameras on Samsung's
> > website.<
>
> Maybe, but I doubt if Samsung will lose that advantage, given their
> expressed corporate intention to become a major player in the DSLR market.
>
> In fact, it's possible *that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
> Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted upon
> a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body drive
> for legacy reasons. * If that's the case, there is no way they will not
> allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
>
>
>
> > By the way, the DA* ship date has been moved to August (ask me how I
> > know).<<
>
> OK - how do you know - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. That's
at B&H. Not for me.
"Sam" <not@thisaddress.net> wrote in message
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> "Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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>> Wireless flash has been available since 1.10, what Samsung flashes are
>> you using?<<
>
> I've bought the Samsung SEF-36PXF, which is an identical clone of the
> Pentax AF-360FGZ. It cost £99.99, unlike the Pentax version which goes
> for between £150 - £200.
Identical clone??? LOL!
>>> In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
>>> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after
>>> all,
>>
>> Rubbish, this is market driven because the big players have in lens
>> motors.<
>
> 'Rubbish'? - try not to be so agressive. I, personally, have little doubt
> that in-lens motors were Samsung's idea - they know what the market wants,
> unlike Pentax who were obliged to constantly reissue dismal variations of
> their 6mp *istD until Samsung put some money into the pot.
And all yours did not work properly?
> I daresay that, if not for the need by Pentax to support existing lenses,
> Samsung would have gone for in-lens drive from the outset.
>
>
>>
>>> Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted
>>> upon a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the
>>> body drive for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way
>>> they will not allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
>
>> Everyone has known for weeks.
>
>
> Endless product delays are another Pentax specialty (645D, anyone?....) -
> perhaps, this time, prompted by the fact that they are on the brink of
> going out of the camera business for good.
"Charlie Self" <charliediy@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 4, 3:06?am, "Sam" <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
>
> news:1hxjs37.jed9g11fe8k00N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sam <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>
> >> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
> >>news:1hxjpqn.etn724pqlb2lN%usenet@mile23.c0m.. .
> >> > Sam <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D
> >> >> clone)
> >> >> is
> >> >> as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
> >> > [..]
>
> >> > Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
> >> > lenses?<<
>
> >> I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives
> >> all
> >> the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
>
> >> Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first
> >> quarter
> >> of
> >> 2007' -
We seem to have passed that date, OMFG Sumsang is late with something!!!
OMG, OMG, OMG!!!
so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously
> >> means
> >> that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive.
>
> > Well, no it doesn't mean that at all. The DA* lenses can also use the
> > in-camera motor, and I can imagine Pentax wanting their brand to have
> > the super-cool feature set that Samsung/Schneider doesn't. It'd be nice
> > to know for sure, but I can't even find the cameras on Samsung's
> > website.<
>
> Maybe, but I doubt if Samsung will lose that advantage, given their
> expressed corporate intention to become a major player in the DSLR market.
>
> In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
> Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted
> upon
> a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body drive
> for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way they will not
> allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
>
>
>
> > By the way, the DA* ship date has been moved to August (ask me how I
> > know).<<
>
> OK - how do you know - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. That's
at B&H. Not for me.
Your'e not going to let a few facts get in the way of a good story are you??
LOL! And remember the Samsung is "noticably sharper".
"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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> "Charlie Self" <charliediy@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 4, 3:06?am, "Sam" <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1hxjs37.jed9g11fe8k00N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Sam <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
>> >>news:1hxjpqn.etn724pqlb2lN%usenet@mile23.c0m.. .
>> >> > Sam <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D
>> >> >> clone)
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
>> >> > [..]
>>
>> >> > Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new
>> >> > DA*
>> >> > lenses?<<
>>
>> >> I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives
>> >> all
>> >> the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
>>
>> >> Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first
>> >> quarter
>> >> of
>> >> 2007' -
>
> We seem to have passed that date, OMFG Sumsang is late with something!!!
> OMG, OMG, OMG!!!
>
> so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously
>> >> means
>> >> that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive.
>>
>> > Well, no it doesn't mean that at all. The DA* lenses can also use the
>> > in-camera motor, and I can imagine Pentax wanting their brand to have
>> > the super-cool feature set that Samsung/Schneider doesn't. It'd be nice
>> > to know for sure, but I can't even find the cameras on Samsung's
>> > website.<
>>
>> Maybe, but I doubt if Samsung will lose that advantage, given their
>> expressed corporate intention to become a major player in the DSLR
>> market.
>>
>> In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
>> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
>> Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted
>> upon
>> a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body
>> drive
>> for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way they will not
>> allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
>>
>>
>>
>> > By the way, the DA* ship date has been moved to August (ask me how I
>> > know).<<
>>
>> OK - how do you know - Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
> body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. That's
> at B&H. Not for me.
>
> Your'e not going to let a few facts get in the way of a good story are
> you?? LOL! And remember the Samsung is "noticably sharper".
>
>
And don't forget to factor in double the cost for the GZ-10's memory cos the
DNGs are twice as big. Bugger!!
On 4 May 2007 04:36:33 -0700, Charlie Self
<charliediy@gmail.com> wrote:
>I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
>body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. That's
>at B&H. Not for me.
Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the
US.
That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
DA50-200 on my DS.
On May 4, 9:02�am, John Bean <waterf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 May 2007 04:36:33 -0700, Charlie Self
>
> <charlie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
> >body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. *That's
> >at B&H. Not for me.
>
> Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
> UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
> the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the
> US.
>
> That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
> DA50-200 on my DS.
>
> --
> John Bean
John: Is the swing that great? When the rebate is knocked off, we're
talking about a $200 difference for essentially the same product.
Certainly, if I could get a GX10 for $200 less than the Pentax, I'd be
at least poised to leap, even though I don't really have the hots for
either one...but at $600!
Of course, the OP was writing about either pounds or euros, both of
which are worth more than the buck. And his cost was $1,195. Argh!
Ouch. That's my wallet screaming in commiseration. I'm complaining
about, essentially, an $825 K10D. I apologize.
On 4 May 2007 06:15:08 -0700, Charlie Self
<charliediy@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 4, 9:02?am, John Bean <waterf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4 May 2007 04:36:33 -0700, Charlie Self
>>
>> <charlie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
>> >body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. hat's
>> >at B&H. Not for me.
>>
>> Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
>> UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
>> the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the
>> US.
>>
>> That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
>> DA50-200 on my DS.
>>
>> --
>> John Bean
>
>John: Is the swing that great? When the rebate is knocked off, we're
>talking about a $200 difference for essentially the same product.
We have no rebates :-(
There's a lot of variation but taking a single supplier who
sells both the Samsung "kit" will sell for about the same
price as the Pentax body, so you basically get the lenses
free. The kit lenses are not cheap in the UK, I paid £129
for my Samsung 50-200, the Pentax was £169 - that's over
$300... So yes, you could easily save the equivalent of $200
in the UK by buying a Samsung rather than Pentax, depending
on what kit you buy.
>Certainly, if I could get a GX10 for $200 less than the Pentax, I'd be
>at least poised to leap, even though I don't really have the hots for
>either one...but at $600!
>
>Of course, the OP was writing about either pounds or euros, both of
>which are worth more than the buck. And his cost was $1,195. Argh!
>Ouch. That's my wallet screaming in commiseration. I'm complaining
>about, essentially, an $825 K10D. I apologize.
Yep, that's the way it is. After saving your $200 equivalent
by buying Samsung instead of Pentax here in the UK you would
still be paying $200 more than US prices for Pentax. It's a
funny old world.
"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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> "Charlie Self" <charliediy@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 4, 3:06?am, "Sam" <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1hxjs37.jed9g11fe8k00N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Sam <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
>> >>news:1hxjpqn.etn724pqlb2lN%usenet@mile23.c0m.. .
>> >> > Sam <n...@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D
>> >> >> clone)
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
>> >> > [..]
>>
>> >> > Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new
>> >> > DA*
>> >> > lenses?<<
>>
>> >> I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives
>> >> all
>> >> the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
>>
>> >> Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first
>> >> quarter
>> >> of
>> >> 2007' -
>
> We seem to have passed that date, OMFG Sumsang is late with something!!!
> OMG, OMG, OMG!!!
>
> so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously
>> >> means
>> >> that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive.
>>
>> > Well, no it doesn't mean that at all. The DA* lenses can also use the
>> > in-camera motor, and I can imagine Pentax wanting their brand to have
>> > the super-cool feature set that Samsung/Schneider doesn't. It'd be nice
>> > to know for sure, but I can't even find the cameras on Samsung's
>> > website.<
>>
>> Maybe, but I doubt if Samsung will lose that advantage, given their
>> expressed corporate intention to become a major player in the DSLR
>> market.
>>
>> In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
>> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
>> Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted
>> upon
>> a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body
>> drive
>> for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way they will not
>> allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
>>
>>
>>
>> > By the way, the DA* ship date has been moved to August (ask me how I
>> > know).<<
>>
>> OK - how do you know - Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
> body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. That's
> at B&H. Not for me.
>
> Your'e not going to let a few facts get in the way of a good story are
> you?? LOL! And remember the Samsung is "noticably sharper".
OK - so we've established that you are a supercilious prick, and you want a
flame war.
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