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Old 01-01-2008, 08:47 AM
yarock@aol.com
 
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Default Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.

I shoot video and photography, and have a job on a seven day Carribean
cruise.An assistant and I will be shooting video and photo highlights
of this charter, and I have a question about a portrait session. We
have to deliver an edited video/ phot highlight dvd on the last night
of the trip.
We have to shoot portraits of 150 couples, seperately, each couple
with the captain. I have no idea how much time or preparation we'll
have,or how rushed we'll be, and am nervous about this part of the
gig.
I'm bringing my D200, D80, 17-55 f2,8, 50mm 1.8,Tokina 12-24, nikon
18-200 vr, and possibly a loaner 85mm f1.4.I'll also bring two stands,
two SB 800's,a Gary Fong lightsphere and an umbrella.
We also have to print theses out and put them in 8 x 10 frames. I
bought two HP photo printers and enough paper and cartridges.and we'll
ahve a pc and a laptop just for the photos. The pics have to be
resized to 6" x 8" because there will be a mat/border inside the
frame. We did some tests doing everything from shooting to resizing
and printing, and evrything works ok.
I'm concerned (among other things) about how to position the couples
in order to get similar shots for everyone. If anyone else has similar
or related experience, i"d really appreciate hearing from you.
Bruce Yarock
www.yarock.com
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Old 01-01-2008, 05:03 PM
George Kerby
 
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Default Re: Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.




On 1/1/08 2:47 AM, in article
7edb9ef6-cb80-4705-88bf-3c3a52d2d34e...oglegroups.com,
"yarock@aol.com" <yarock@aol.com> wrote:

> I shoot video and photography, and have a job on a seven day Carribean
> cruise.An assistant and I will be shooting video and photo highlights
> of this charter, and I have a question about a portrait session. We
> have to deliver an edited video/ phot highlight dvd on the last night
> of the trip.
> We have to shoot portraits of 150 couples, seperately, each couple
> with the captain. I have no idea how much time or preparation we'll
> have,or how rushed we'll be, and am nervous about this part of the
> gig.
> I'm bringing my D200, D80, 17-55 f2,8, 50mm 1.8,Tokina 12-24, nikon
> 18-200 vr, and possibly a loaner 85mm f1.4.I'll also bring two stands,
> two SB 800's,a Gary Fong lightsphere and an umbrella.
> We also have to print theses out and put them in 8 x 10 frames. I
> bought two HP photo printers and enough paper and cartridges.and we'll
> ahve a pc and a laptop just for the photos. The pics have to be
> resized to 6" x 8" because there will be a mat/border inside the
> frame. We did some tests doing everything from shooting to resizing
> and printing, and evrything works ok.
> I'm concerned (among other things) about how to position the couples
> in order to get similar shots for everyone. If anyone else has similar
> or related experience, i"d really appreciate hearing from you.
> Bruce Yarock
> www.yarock.com

Who, in their right mind, hired you? You are asking advice of total
strangers on a Usenet group about something that you have no knowledge.
Jeeze, people like you give Pros bad names. If you don't know what you are
doing, pull out before you ruin the trip for others.

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Old 01-01-2008, 07:28 PM
Mr. Strat
 
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Default Re: Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.

In article
<7edb9ef6-cb80-4705-88bf-3c3a52d2d34e@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
<yarock@aol.com> wrote:

> I'm concerned (among other things) about how to position the couples
> in order to get similar shots for everyone. If anyone else has similar
> or related experience, i"d really appreciate hearing from you.


Sounds like you've bitten off more than you chew.
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Old 01-01-2008, 11:42 PM
C J Campbell
 
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Default Re: Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.

On 2008-01-01 00:47:09 -0800, yarock@aol.com said:

>
> I'm concerned (among other things) about how to position the couples
> in order to get similar shots for everyone. If anyone else has similar
> or related experience, i"d really appreciate hearing from you.
> Bruce Yarock
> www.yarock.com


You, a wedding photographer, really do not know how to do this?

Your question is surprising in another way as well. Most cruise lines
nowadays do not hire individual photographers. They use large
concessionaires who hire, train and schedule the photographers, provide
the equipment, work out the details of what to charge, and provide
sophisticated support such as pressing DVDs.

But then again it is only 150 couples, so this is either a very small
cruise ship or you have been hired by the party instead of the cruise
line. If it is the latter, you might be in big trouble. Sure, this
party could reserve an area for a reception, but your time to set up
will be short. You will have to work closely with the cruise director
to pull this off. Luckily, expectations are not high on a production of
this nature. Anyone who has been on a cruise ship knows that the
official photographers are not there to demonstrate great artistic
ability. The quality is about the same as the snapshots taken by the
patrons, only with slightly more technical competence.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

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Old 01-02-2008, 12:21 AM
yarock@aol.com
 
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Default Re: Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.

On Jan 1, 6:42�pm, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On 2008-01-01 00:47:09 -0800, yar...@aol.com said:
>
>
>
> > �I'm concerned (among other things) about how to position the couples
> > in order to get similar shots for everyone. If anyone else has similar
> > or related experience, i"d really appreciate hearing from you.
> > Bruce Yarock
> >www.yarock.com

>
> You, a wedding photographer, really do not know how to do this?
>
> Your question is surprising in another way as well. Most cruise lines
> nowadays do not hire individual photographers. They use large
> concessionaires who hire, train and schedule the photographers, provide
> the equipment, work out the details of what to charge, and provide
> sophisticated support such as pressing DVDs.
>
> But then again it is only 150 couples, so this is either a very small
> cruise ship or you have been hired by the party instead of the cruise
> line. If it is the latter, you might be in big trouble. Sure, this
> party could reserve an area for a reception, but your time to set up
> will be short. You will have to work closely with the cruise director
> to pull this off. Luckily, expectations are not high on a production of
> this nature. Anyone who has been on a cruise ship knows that the
> official photographers are not there to demonstrate great artistic
> ability. The quality is about the same as the snapshots taken by the
> patrons, only with slightly more technical competence.
>
> --
> Waddling Eagle
> World Famous Flight Instructor


George-
Your attitude sucks! I am a professional, and have been shooting
(video and photography) for a number of years. I have not, however,
ever done a job on a ship, which is why I posted. My hope was to get
some positive feedback from someone with similar experience, not some
judgemntal smartass drivel like yours.

C.J.-
That may be true, but I've dealt with extremely choatic situations
before, and I think we'll do ok.

Waddling-
It is a small ship (only 280 guests). Hopefully I'll be able to co
orinate with someone once on board. they are expecting video and phot
highlights, in addition to the portarits, but my main concern was with
the logistics of the portraits.
Thanks for the feedback.
Bruce yarock
www.yarock.com
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Old 01-02-2008, 01:20 AM
George Kerby
 
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Default Re: Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.




On 1/1/08 6:21 PM, in article
1b031fd2-a6d1-43b4-a9c5-12e50cdf58b1...oglegroups.com,
"yarock@aol.com" <yarock@aol.com> wrote:

> On Jan 1, 6:42�pm, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 2008-01-01 00:47:09 -0800, yar...@aol.com said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> �I'm concerned (among other things) about how to position the couples
>>> in order to get similar shots for everyone. If anyone else has similar
>>> or related experience, i"d really appreciate hearing from you.
>>> Bruce Yarock
>>> www.yarock.com

>>
>> You, a wedding photographer, really do not know how to do this?
>>
>> Your question is surprising in another way as well. Most cruise lines
>> nowadays do not hire individual photographers. They use large
>> concessionaires who hire, train and schedule the photographers, provide
>> the equipment, work out the details of what to charge, and provide
>> sophisticated support such as pressing DVDs.
>>
>> But then again it is only 150 couples, so this is either a very small
>> cruise ship or you have been hired by the party instead of the cruise
>> line. If it is the latter, you might be in big trouble. Sure, this
>> party could reserve an area for a reception, but your time to set up
>> will be short. You will have to work closely with the cruise director
>> to pull this off. Luckily, expectations are not high on a production of
>> this nature. Anyone who has been on a cruise ship knows that the
>> official photographers are not there to demonstrate great artistic
>> ability. The quality is about the same as the snapshots taken by the
>> patrons, only with slightly more technical competence.
>>
>> --
>> Waddling Eagle
>> World Famous Flight Instructor

>
> George-
> Your attitude sucks! I am a professional, and have been shooting
> (video and photography) for a number of years. I have not, however,
> ever done a job on a ship, which is why I posted.
>

What the hell is the difference? Are you afraid of getting seasick or
something? If you know how to handle large groups - or individuals, it's all
the same as if you were in a church or synagogue. Like Randall said, you
have bitten off more than you can swallow. Perhaps a Heimlich for you?

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Old 01-02-2008, 02:05 AM
yarock@aol.com
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.

On Jan 1, 8:20Â*pm, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/1/08 6:21 PM, in article
> 1b031fd2-a6d1-43b4-a9c5-12e50cdf5...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com,
>
>
>
>
>
> "yar...@aol.com" <yar...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 1, 6:42�pm, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> On 2008-01-01 00:47:09 -0800, yar...@aol.com said:

>
> >>> �I'm concerned (among other things) about how to position the couples
> >>> in order to get similar shots for everyone. If anyone else has similar
> >>> or related experience, i"d really appreciate hearing from you.
> >>> Bruce Yarock
> >>>www.yarock.com

>
> >> You, a wedding photographer, really do not know how to do this?

>
> >> Your question is surprising in another way as well. Most cruise lines
> >> nowadays do not hire individual photographers. They use large
> >> concessionaires who hire, train and schedule the photographers, provide
> >> the equipment, work out the details of what to charge, and provide
> >> sophisticated support such as pressing DVDs.

>
> >> But then again it is only 150 couples, so this is either a very small
> >> cruise ship or you have been hired by the party instead of the cruise
> >> line. If it is the latter, you might be in big trouble. Sure, this
> >> party could reserve an area for a reception, but your time to set up
> >> will be short. You will have to work closely with the cruise director
> >> to pull this off. Luckily, expectations are not high on a production of
> >> this nature. Anyone who has been on a cruise ship knows that the
> >> official photographers are not there to demonstrate great artistic
> >> ability. The quality is about the same as the snapshots taken by the
> >> patrons, only with slightly more technical competence.

>
> >> --
> >> Waddling Eagle
> >> World Famous Flight Instructor

>
> > George-
> > Â*Your attitude sucks! I am a professional, and have been shooting
> > (video and photography) for a number of years. I have not, however,
> > ever done a job on a ship, which is why I posted.

>
> What the hell is the difference? Are you afraid of getting seasick or
> something? If you know how to handle large groups - or individuals, it's all
> the same as if you were in a church or synagogue. Like Randall said, you
> have bitten off more than you can swallow. Perhaps a Heimlich for you?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

From now on I'll stick to the "community boards", where the goal is to
be supportive and help others. Think "nikonians", "dvinfo.net", etc.
On those boards,rude, snide, wise-*** morons like george, are politely
encouraged to post elsewhere.
I'm over this thread, so over and out.
yarock
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:03 AM
Mr. Strat
 
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Default Re: Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.

In article
<39223695-e191-4f62-a25f-5c2833fb8800@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
<yarock@aol.com> wrote:

> From now on I'll stick to the "community boards", where the goal is to
> be supportive and help others. Think "nikonians", "dvinfo.net", etc.
> On those boards,rude, snide, wise-*** morons like george, are politely
> encouraged to post elsewhere.
> I'm over this thread, so over and out.


There you go...everybody's picking on me. "Screw you guys, I'm going
home," said Cartman.

Fact is, if you have to ask these types of questions, then you've taken
on a job that 's beyond your abilities. When you're charging people
money for it, that's not a good thing to be doing.
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Old 01-02-2008, 03:07 PM
C J Campbell
 
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Default Re: Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.

On 2008-01-01 16:21:02 -0800, yarock@aol.com said:

> On Jan 1, 6:42�pm, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 2008-01-01 00:47:09 -0800, yar...@aol.com said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> �I'm concerned (among other things) about how to position the co

> uples
>>> in order to get similar shots for everyone. If anyone else has similar
>>> or related experience, i"d really appreciate hearing from you.
>>> Bruce Yarock
>>> www.yarock.com

>>
>> You, a wedding photographer, really do not know how to do this?
>>
>> Your question is surprising in another way as well. Most cruise lines
>> nowadays do not hire individual photographers. They use large
>> concessionaires who hire, train and schedule the photographers, provide
>> the equipment, work out the details of what to charge, and provide
>> sophisticated support such as pressing DVDs.
>>
>> But then again it is only 150 couples, so this is either a very small
>> cruise ship or you have been hired by the party instead of the cruise
>> line. If it is the latter, you might be in big trouble. Sure, this
>> party could reserve an area for a reception, but your time to set up
>> will be short. You will have to work closely with the cruise director
>> to pull this off. Luckily, expectations are not high on a production of
>> this nature. Anyone who has been on a cruise ship knows that the
>> official photographers are not there to demonstrate great artistic
>> ability. The quality is about the same as the snapshots taken by the
>> patrons, only with slightly more technical competence.
>>
>> --
>> Waddling Eagle
>> World Famous Flight Instructor

>
> George-
> Your attitude sucks! I am a professional, and have been shooting
> (video and photography) for a number of years. I have not, however,
> ever done a job on a ship, which is why I posted. My hope was to get
> some positive feedback from someone with similar experience, not some
> judgemntal smartass drivel like yours.
>
> C.J.-
> That may be true, but I've dealt with extremely choatic situations
> before, and I think we'll do ok.
>
> Waddling-
> It is a small ship (only 280 guests). Hopefully I'll be able to co
> orinate with someone once on board. they are expecting video and phot
> highlights, in addition to the portarits, but my main concern was with
> the logistics of the portraits.
> Thanks for the feedback.
> Bruce yarock
> www.yarock.com


Well, in that event I will probably need to come with you and show you
how it is done. When do we sail?
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

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Old 01-02-2008, 03:32 PM
George Kerby
 
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Default Re: Photo shoot on a cruise ship...questions.




On 1/1/08 8:05 PM, in article
39223695-e191-4f62-a25f-5c2833fb8800...oglegroups.com,
"yarock@aol.com" <yarock@aol.com> wrote:

> On Jan 1, 8:20Â*pm, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/1/08 6:21 PM, in article
>> 1b031fd2-a6d1-43b4-a9c5-12e50cdf5...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "yar...@aol.com" <yar...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 1, 6:42�pm, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 2008-01-01 00:47:09 -0800, yar...@aol.com said:

>>
>>>>> �I'm concerned (among other things) about how to position the couples
>>>>> in order to get similar shots for everyone. If anyone else has similar
>>>>> or related experience, i"d really appreciate hearing from you.
>>>>> Bruce Yarock
>>>>> www.yarock.com

>>
>>>> You, a wedding photographer, really do not know how to do this?

>>
>>>> Your question is surprising in another way as well. Most cruise lines
>>>> nowadays do not hire individual photographers. They use large
>>>> concessionaires who hire, train and schedule the photographers, provide
>>>> the equipment, work out the details of what to charge, and provide
>>>> sophisticated support such as pressing DVDs.

>>
>>>> But then again it is only 150 couples, so this is either a very small
>>>> cruise ship or you have been hired by the party instead of the cruise
>>>> line. If it is the latter, you might be in big trouble. Sure, this
>>>> party could reserve an area for a reception, but your time to set up
>>>> will be short. You will have to work closely with the cruise director
>>>> to pull this off. Luckily, expectations are not high on a production of
>>>> this nature. Anyone who has been on a cruise ship knows that the
>>>> official photographers are not there to demonstrate great artistic
>>>> ability. The quality is about the same as the snapshots taken by the
>>>> patrons, only with slightly more technical competence.

>>
>>>> --
>>>> Waddling Eagle
>>>> World Famous Flight Instructor

>>
>>> George-
>>> Â*Your attitude sucks! I am a professional, and have been shooting
>>> (video and photography) for a number of years. I have not, however,
>>> ever done a job on a ship, which is why I posted.

>>
>> What the hell is the difference? Are you afraid of getting seasick or
>> something? If you know how to handle large groups - or individuals, it's all
>> the same as if you were in a church or synagogue. Like Randall said, you
>> have bitten off more than you can swallow. Perhaps a Heimlich for you?- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

> From now on I'll stick to the "community boards", where the goal is to
> be supportive and help others. Think "nikonians", "dvinfo.net", etc.
> On those boards,rude, snide, wise-*** morons like george, are politely
> encouraged to post elsewhere.
> I'm over this thread, so over and out.
> yarock

Don't let the screen door hit you in the ***, loser...

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