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  #1  
Old 08-03-2008, 11:08 AM
Mark Thomas
 
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Default Panorama - Just another lookout

While I'm looking for the missing slides to complete my fire pano
(grr).. (1.2Mb - 6000 x 900!)..
http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano_lookout.jpg

there's another in the meantime. 6 x Fuji S9000 images, PTGUI &
Smartblend, all default settings, minor tweak to levels, reduced to
about 1/4 size for posting here.

I forget the name of this lookout, but it's interesting (depressing?!)
in that I think it shows how difficult it is to capture some scenes in a
way that does them justice. Tried a normal shot, wide angle, this pano,
selected tele'd areas... but nothing worked very well. It's a
picturesque view and the fact that the view spans about 300° makes it
very aesthetic in the flesh, but nothing I tried really captured the
scene well as an image.

Maybe I shoulda tried 3D..? Alternative suggestions gladly received -
how would *you* have done justice to this? (Hint to self - go back at
sunrise/sunset!) Or just give up and accept that the highlight of the
image is the shiny Commodore? (O:


And not that I'm chasing any records, but what's the biggest (personal)
image posted to these groups I wonder? The full size original pano is
~25,000 pixels across...

I'm guessing Scott might be a contender, or anyone up for a challenge!?

(Or maybe someone might post their mythical Manly panorama...)

Comments always welcome!!


mt
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Old 08-03-2008, 11:42 AM
Jeff R.
 
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Default Re: Panorama - Just another lookout

Mark Thomas wrote:
> While I'm looking for the missing slides to complete my fire pano
> (grr).. (1.2Mb - 6000 x 900!)..
> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano_lookout.jpg


Very pretty... and an ideal application of the technique. As you
commented - couldn't have been captured satisfactorily otherwise.

> Maybe I shoulda tried 3D..?


Nah... *Most* of the interest is at infinity...
(Says he who posted half a dozen 3Ds from a lookout..)

Well, maybe yes, but let's face it, 3D is a fun gimmick, hardly a serious
representational medium ('though my late uncle - of the Sydney 3D Society -
would disagree.)

> how would *you* have done justice to this?


Just as you have.
And *celebrate* the shiny Commodore. (Me - Ford for over six cars including
the next one real-soon-now.)
I have a much treasured 10x8 of my mum, aged about 1 1/2, sitting proudly in
the back seat of an (?) A Ford, replete with spare tyres ("tyres", not
wheels) strapped to the running boards, and don't think for one second I
don't appreciate the inclusion of the boring old motorcar in the family
portrait.

Oh bugger it. It's worth posting:
Just talk amongst yourselves for a few minutes...
http://www.mendosus.com/jpg/mum-1921.jpg

(Sorry Mr T. - It's arguably not technically perfect. *Priceless*, mind,
but not perfect.)

...and now the flames can start, 'cause it prolly ain't a Model A... sighhh.

That's Grandma next to her. In 1913 she taught in the school I do now.
She was one of the foundation teachers. Got her B.A at Syd Uni in 1905,
worked as an Engineering Draughtsman for a few years before retraining as a
teacher. She designed the house in the background. Granddad built it - and
took the photo.

Man! I love old family photos.


So anyway - keep the car(s) in the shots. Your children/grandchildren will
thank you for the context.

>
> (Or maybe someone might post their mythical Manly panorama...)


Yeah right.
That'd be good.

Reality only here. No dreams.

Hooroo
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Old 08-03-2008, 12:18 PM
Mark Thomas
 
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Default Re: Panorama - Just another lookout

Jeff R. wrote:
> Mark Thomas wrote:
>> While I'm looking for the missing slides to complete my fire pano
>> (grr).. (1.2Mb - 6000 x 900!)..
>> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano_lookout.jpg

>
> Very pretty... and an ideal application of the technique. As you
> commented - couldn't have been captured satisfactorily otherwise.

Thanks. But I'm still looking for the killer panorama scene...


> Well, maybe yes, but let's face it, 3D is a fun gimmick, hardly a
> serious representational medium ('though my late uncle - of the Sydney
> 3D Society - would disagree.)


Mmhmm. It did occur to me that 3d-ing that pano would require fairly
substantial eye-crossing... (O:


> Just as you have.
> And *celebrate* the shiny Commodore.

Well I would if it was mine - it was owned by the touristy ring-ins who
appear in the shot. They drove up as I was setting up, and hung back
politely, but I explained what I was doing and that it would take a
while and they should just go ahead and do what tourists do at
lookouts.. Out of interest, there was at least one other person, but
the computer said - NO. (Smartblend actually)

Let's just say I have a much smaller and cheaper veehickle, thank
heavens in these days of $1.50 per l...

> (Me - Ford for over six cars
> including the next one real-soon-now.)
> I have a much treasured 10x8 of my mum, aged about 1 1/2, sitting
> proudly in the back seat of an (?) A Ford, replete with spare tyres
> ("tyres", not wheels) strapped to the running boards, and don't think
> for one second I don't appreciate the inclusion of the boring old
> motorcar in the family portrait.
>
> Oh bugger it. It's worth posting:
> Just talk amongst yourselves for a few minutes...
> http://www.mendosus.com/jpg/mum-1921.jpg


That's just wonderful!! What a marvellous keepsake.


> (Sorry Mr T. - It's arguably not technically perfect. *Priceless*,
> mind, but not perfect.)


Grin.

> ..and now the flames can start, 'cause it prolly ain't a Model A... sighhh.

(nasal voice)
Actually. I'm not a vintage car freak, but a quick google suggests to
me that it might be a late T, as most of the A's have a front bumper.
And also, you will note...
(end nasal)

In reality, I wouldn't have a clue. (O:

> That's Grandma next to her. In 1913 she taught in the school I do now.
> She was one of the foundation teachers. Got her B.A at Syd Uni in 1905,
> worked as an Engineering Draughtsman for a few years before retraining
> as a teacher. She designed the house in the background. Granddad built
> it - and took the photo.
>
> Man! I love old family photos.
>
>
> So anyway - keep the car(s) in the shots. Your children/grandchildren
> will thank you for the context.


Like I said, no context for me at all in that one. But I do other stuff
for the family, so all is not lost!

>> (Or maybe someone might post their mythical Manly panorama...)

>
> Yeah right.
> That'd be good.
>
> Reality only here. No dreams.
>
> Hooroo


S'truth, mate, haven't heard that one for a while. She's apples, though!
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Old 08-03-2008, 02:42 PM
Scott W
 
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Default Re: Panorama - Just another lookout

On Aug 3, 12:08*am, Mark Thomas <markt@_don't_spam_marktphoto.com>
wrote:
> While I'm looking for the missing slides to complete my fire pano
> (grr).. (1.2Mb - 6000 x 900!)..http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano_lookout.jpg
>
> there's another in the meantime. *6 x Fuji S9000 images, PTGUI &
> Smartblend, all default settings, minor tweak to levels, reduced to
> about 1/4 size for posting here.
>
> I forget the name of this lookout, but it's interesting (depressing?!)
> in that I think it shows how difficult it is to capture some scenes in a
> way that does them justice. *Tried a normal shot, wide angle, this pano,
> selected tele'd areas... but nothing worked very well. *It's a
> picturesque view and the fact that the view spans about 300° makes it
> very aesthetic in the flesh, but nothing I tried really captured the
> scene well as an image.
>
> Maybe I shoulda tried 3D..? *Alternative suggestions gladly received -
> how would *you* have done justice to this? *(Hint to self - go back at
> sunrise/sunset!) *Or just give up and accept that the highlight of the
> image is the shiny Commodore? (O:
>
> And not that I'm chasing any records, but what's the biggest (personal)
> image posted to these groups I wonder? *The full size original pano is
> ~25,000 pixels across...
>
> I'm guessing Scott might be a contender, or anyone up for a challenge!?
>
> (Or maybe someone might post their mythical Manly panorama...)
>
> Comments always welcome!!

My largest one to date is 139,073 pixels wide and 11,255 high. It is
not a prefet stitch job for a number of reasons, smart blend does not
work well with images that size, at least not on my computer, and at
the time I stitched it PTGui would not crop and I had no program that
would crop an image that size. So you see cars cut in half and part
of the image at the bottom is black. Some day I am going to redo that
stitch job.

The image is stitched together with 236 photos and comes out at a bit
over 1,000,000,000 pixels.

At that size the best way to show it is on gigapan.org.
http://gigapan.org/viewGigapan.php?id=1234

Every one to two years I re shoot Alii Drive, it is fun to watch how
things change on it.

Most of my panorama photos are in the 200 mp range, this is pretty
typical, it is 21833x9624 pixels
http://gigapan.org/viewGigapan.php?id=6845

Scott





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Old 08-05-2008, 06:42 AM
Vagabond
 
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Default Re: Panorama - Just another lookout

Jeff R. wrote:
> Mark Thomas wrote:
>> While I'm looking for the missing slides to complete my fire pano
>> (grr).. (1.2Mb - 6000 x 900!)..
>> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano_lookout.jpg

>
> Very pretty... and an ideal application of the technique. As you
> commented - couldn't have been captured satisfactorily otherwise.
>
>> Maybe I shoulda tried 3D..?

>
> Nah... *Most* of the interest is at infinity...
> (Says he who posted half a dozen 3Ds from a lookout..)
>
> Well, maybe yes, but let's face it, 3D is a fun gimmick, hardly a
> serious representational medium ('though my late uncle - of the Sydney
> 3D Society - would disagree.)
>
>> how would *you* have done justice to this?

>
> Just as you have.
> And *celebrate* the shiny Commodore. (Me - Ford for over six cars
> including the next one real-soon-now.)
> I have a much treasured 10x8 of my mum, aged about 1 1/2, sitting
> proudly in the back seat of an (?) A Ford, replete with spare tyres
> ("tyres", not wheels) strapped to the running boards, and don't think
> for one second I don't appreciate the inclusion of the boring old
> motorcar in the family portrait.
>
> Oh bugger it. It's worth posting:
> Just talk amongst yourselves for a few minutes...
> http://www.mendosus.com/jpg/mum-1921.jpg
>
> (Sorry Mr T. - It's arguably not technically perfect. *Priceless*,
> mind, but not perfect.)
>
> ..and now the flames can start, 'cause it prolly ain't a Model A... sighhh.
>
> That's Grandma next to her. In 1913 she taught in the school I do now.
> She was one of the foundation teachers. Got her B.A at Syd Uni in 1905,
> worked as an Engineering Draughtsman for a few years before retraining
> as a teacher. She designed the house in the background. Granddad built
> it - and took the photo.
>
> Man! I love old family photos.
>
>
> So anyway - keep the car(s) in the shots. Your children/grandchildren
> will thank you for the context.
>
>>
>> (Or maybe someone might post their mythical Manly panorama...)

>
> Yeah right.
> That'd be good.
>
> Reality only here. No dreams.
>
> Hooroo


Hi Mark

Was that family photo taken in North Manly/Harbord? The house looks familiar.

Regards

Tony
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Old 08-05-2008, 07:23 AM
MJW
 
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Default Re: Panorama - Just another lookout

Mark Thomas wrote:
> While I'm looking for the missing slides to complete my fire pano
> (grr).. (1.2Mb - 6000 x 900!)..
> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano_lookout.jpg
>
> there's another in the meantime. 6 x Fuji S9000 images, PTGUI &
> Smartblend, all default settings, minor tweak to levels, reduced to
> about 1/4 size for posting here.
>
> I forget the name of this lookout, but it's interesting (depressing?!)
> in that I think it shows how difficult it is to capture some scenes in a
> way that does them justice. Tried a normal shot, wide angle, this pano,
> selected tele'd areas... but nothing worked very well. It's a
> picturesque view and the fact that the view spans about 300° makes it
> very aesthetic in the flesh, but nothing I tried really captured the
> scene well as an image.


Well, it all looks pretty good to me Mark! I'm
really impressed at how Ptgui handles this stuff.
Only 6 images? I must remember to not overlap so
much in the future.

Must say though, I would have liked to see it
without the ppl & car, cause you always find that
they get noticed first, as if you're taking shots
of friends/family, not scenery. Know what I mean?

>
> Maybe I shoulda tried 3D..? Alternative suggestions gladly received -
> how would *you* have done justice to this? (Hint to self - go back at
> sunrise/sunset!) Or just give up and accept that the highlight of the
> image is the shiny Commodore? (O:
>
>
> And not that I'm chasing any records, but what's the biggest (personal)
> image posted to these groups I wonder? The full size original pano is
> ~25,000 pixels across...
>
> I'm guessing Scott might be a contender, or anyone up for a challenge!?
>
> (Or maybe someone might post their mythical Manly panorama...)
>
> Comments always welcome!!
>
>
> mt



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Old 08-05-2008, 09:49 AM
Jeff R.
 
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Default Re: Panorama - Just another lookout

Vagabond" <""no_one\"@n o_where.net wrote:
> Jeff R. wrote:
>> http://www.mendosus.com/jpg/mum-1921.jpg

>
> Hi Mark
>
> Was that family photo taken in North Manly/Harbord? The house looks
> familiar.
> Regards
>
> Tony


If you meant that family photo (above), then no, it is in Turramurra - Nth
Turramurra I guess you'd call it. My grandparents' house.
It still stands, 90-odd years later, largely unchanged. Left the family's
ownership only a handful of years ago.

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Old 08-05-2008, 12:49 PM
Scott W
 
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Default Re: Panorama - Just another lookout

On Aug 4, 8:23*pm, MJW <me@there> wrote:
> Mark Thomas wrote:
> > While I'm looking for the missing slides to complete my fire pano
> > (grr).. (1.2Mb - 6000 x 900!)..
> >http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano_lookout.jpg

>
> > there's another in the meantime. *6 x Fuji S9000 images, PTGUI &
> > Smartblend, all default settings, minor tweak to levels, reduced to
> > about 1/4 size for posting here.

>
> > I forget the name of this lookout, but it's interesting (depressing?!)
> > in that I think it shows how difficult it is to capture some scenes in a
> > way that does them justice. *Tried a normal shot, wide angle, this pano,
> > selected tele'd areas... but nothing worked very well. *It's a
> > picturesque view and the fact that the view spans about 300° makes it
> > very aesthetic in the flesh, but nothing I tried really captured the
> > scene well as an image.

>
> Well, it all looks pretty good to me Mark! I'm
> really impressed at how Ptgui handles this stuff.
> Only 6 images? I must remember to not overlap so
> much in the future.
>
> Must say though, I would have liked to see it
> without the ppl & car, cause you always find that
> they get noticed first, as if you're taking shots
> of friends/family, not scenery. Know what I mean?

I like it better with the car and people, just IMO.

Some time ago I inherited my grandmother’s collection of slides that
she had taken over many years. I was looking forward to looking
through these photos because they were taken over a fairly long time
span and I really enjoy photos that capture the sense of time and
place. But she was very careful to not get any people or cars in her
photos, the result is the photos might as well have been taken
yesterday and as such they hold little interest.

Scott

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Old 08-06-2008, 01:20 AM
Mark Thomas
 
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MJW wrote:
> Mark Thomas wrote:
>> While I'm looking for the missing slides to complete my fire pano
>> (grr).. (1.2Mb - 6000 x 900!)..
>> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano_lookout.jpg
>>

>
> Well, it all looks pretty good to me Mark!


Thanks MJ. I hope to find some more photogenic stuff soon.

> I'm really impressed at how
> Ptgui handles this stuff.


Me too. I particularly like the way you can drag and play with the
images in the editing screens - even though most of the time the program
gets it right, when it doesn't I've always been able to fix the
problem... with one exception - I had a go at what I thought might be
usable set of images for a linear panorama (along the Brisbane river),
but I just haven't been able to get a useful result. Which simply backs
up what I, and Jeff and others have said about this technique - it
really is only suitable for very flat scenes.

> Only 6 images? I must remember to not overlap
> so much in the future.


I used to set them up with big overlaps, and also religiously use
no-less-than 50mm f-l, and avoid polarisers... Back in the good ole
days, those things made life easier. But now I frequently shoot at
28mm, overlap only by say 10-20% at each side and don't hesitate to use
polarising, because PTGUI does such a great job. I even enjoy fiddling
with control points...

> Must say though, I would have liked to see it without the ppl & car,
> cause you always find that they get noticed first, as if you're taking
> shots of friends/family, not scenery. Know what I mean?


Yes, I do and I could have just waited for them to leave, but I knew the
scene wasn't going to be very spectacular so I decided to just shoot
away. It was actually shot some time ago as a bit of a test for
Autostitch - unfortunately AS had problems with it and I ended up with a
ghostly tree in the image. That's one of the reasons I dropped that
program.

I'd like to go back to that spot at dawn/dusk and see if it turns into
something cool with slanting sunlight across all those peaks and
valleys. Another thing on my 'One Day I'll...' list.
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Old 08-06-2008, 08:23 AM
MJW
 
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Scott W wrote:
> On Aug 4, 8:23 pm, MJW <me@there> wrote:
>> Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> While I'm looking for the missing slides to complete my fire pano
>>> (grr).. (1.2Mb - 6000 x 900!)..
>>> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/pano_lookout.jpg
>>> there's another in the meantime. 6 x Fuji S9000 images, PTGUI &
>>> Smartblend, all default settings, minor tweak to levels, reduced to
>>> about 1/4 size for posting here.
>>> I forget the name of this lookout, but it's interesting (depressing?!)
>>> in that I think it shows how difficult it is to capture some scenes in a
>>> way that does them justice. Tried a normal shot, wide angle, this pano,
>>> selected tele'd areas... but nothing worked very well. It's a
>>> picturesque view and the fact that the view spans about 300° makes it
>>> very aesthetic in the flesh, but nothing I tried really captured the
>>> scene well as an image.

>> Well, it all looks pretty good to me Mark! I'm
>> really impressed at how Ptgui handles this stuff.
>> Only 6 images? I must remember to not overlap so
>> much in the future.
>>
>> Must say though, I would have liked to see it
>> without the ppl & car, cause you always find that
>> they get noticed first, as if you're taking shots
>> of friends/family, not scenery. Know what I mean?

> I like it better with the car and people, just IMO.
>
> Some time ago I inherited my grandmother’s collection of slides that
> she had taken over many years. I was looking forward to looking
> through these photos because they were taken over a fairly long time
> span and I really enjoy photos that capture the sense of time and
> place. But she was very careful to not get any people or cars in her
> photos, the result is the photos might as well have been taken
> yesterday and as such they hold little interest.
>
> Scott
>

Hi Scott, I can relate to what your saying in
regards to your grandmother's slides, because
having people etc in the pics would have been a
very effective time-stamp, yes?

I'm curious now though, how does this pano/stitch
stuff go with photos of people/crowds? If i was at
say, my sons soccer match & panned down the
side-line,would the pictures stitch effectively,
given that the people would be moving the whole time?


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