In article <hckgd8$147b$1@adenine.netfront.net>, No spam please
<me@spamnotwelcome.org> wrote:
> People who buy entry-level cameras often rely on the shop's recommendation.
> In small towns there may be only one shop and not a lot of choice. People
> who buy entry-level cameras are often new to SLR photography and don't
> always understand specifications.
that may be true, but entry level buyers don't tend to buy a lot of
lenses. actually, most slr owners don't.
> I haven't used Nikon bodies since the days of film. It wasn't until my
> friend bought an entry-level Nikon DSLR that the problem became apparent. If
> you look around this newsgroup I believe you will see that some Nikon users
> see the old lens / entry-level DSLR as a problem whereas others do not.
some might find it to be a problem but most don't. that's why it sold
as well as it did.
"Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd@apaflo.com> wrote in message
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> "No spam please" <me@spamnotwelcome.org> wrote:
>>"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >there are no problems using any nikon af lens on any nikon body
>>>> >either.
>>>> >the only issue is that entry level cameras won't autofocus old lenses,
>>>>
>>>> So there's no problems except for the problems.
>
> The point is that the lens *will* work. And that is
> true for lenses going way back into the 1970's for
> Nikon; which is *not* true for Canon cameras.
>
>>> people who buy entry level cameras don't usually buy a lot of old
>>> lenses and people who have a lot of lenses don't usually buy entry
>>> level cameras, so it isn't actually much of a problem.
>>
>>In my experience, my friends who bought entry-level cameras wanted to keep
>>their spending to the minimum in case they weren't able to handle an SLR.
>>This meant that they tended to buy those second-hand old lenses.
>>
>>I'd had SLRs for decades so I was happy to spend more money and get newer
>>equipment.
>>
>>Your mileage may vary.
>
> People who buy entry level cameras should read the
> specifications before buying. Why didn't your friend do
> that.
>
> They also typically ask friends who use cameras for
> advice, and you should have made it a point to let them
> know about older lenses and entry level bodies. Why
> doesn't that happen with your friends?
>
> Or, perhaps your irrational claims are not true; you
> made it up on the moment to support your equally
> irration opinions on Nikon cameras???
>
> --
> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
Hello Floyd.
People who buy entry-level cameras often rely on the shop's recommendation.
In small towns there may be only one shop and not a lot of choice. People
who buy entry-level cameras are often new to SLR photography and don't
always understand specifications.
I haven't used Nikon bodies since the days of film. It wasn't until my
friend bought an entry-level Nikon DSLR that the problem became apparent. If
you look around this newsgroup I believe you will see that some Nikon users
see the old lens / entry-level DSLR as a problem whereas others do not.
"No spam please" <me@spamnotwelcome.org> wrote:
>"Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd@apaflo.com> wrote:
>> "No spam please" <me@spamnotwelcome.org> wrote:
>>>"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >there are no problems using any nikon af lens on any nikon body
>>>>> >either.
>>>>> >the only issue is that entry level cameras won't autofocus old lenses,
>>>>>
>>>>> So there's no problems except for the problems.
>>
>> The point is that the lens *will* work. And that is
>> true for lenses going way back into the 1970's for
>> Nikon; which is *not* true for Canon cameras.
>>
>>>> people who buy entry level cameras don't usually buy a lot of old
>>>> lenses and people who have a lot of lenses don't usually buy entry
>>>> level cameras, so it isn't actually much of a problem.
>>>
>>>In my experience, my friends who bought entry-level cameras wanted to keep
>>>their spending to the minimum in case they weren't able to handle an SLR.
>>>This meant that they tended to buy those second-hand old lenses.
>>>
>>>I'd had SLRs for decades so I was happy to spend more money and get newer
>>>equipment.
>>>
>>>Your mileage may vary.
>>
>> People who buy entry level cameras should read the
>> specifications before buying. Why didn't your friend do
>> that.
>>
>> They also typically ask friends who use cameras for
>> advice, and you should have made it a point to let them
>> know about older lenses and entry level bodies. Why
>> doesn't that happen with your friends?
>>
>> Or, perhaps your irrational claims are not true; you
>> made it up on the moment to support your equally
>> irration opinions on Nikon cameras???
>>
>> --
>> Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
>> Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
>
>Hello Floyd.
>
>People who buy entry-level cameras often rely on the shop's recommendation.
>In small towns there may be only one shop and not a lot of choice. People
>who buy entry-level cameras are often new to SLR photography and don't
>always understand specifications.
You said "In my experience, my friends who bought
entry-level cameras wanted to keep ..."
That is the reference point, not some questionable
advice from a small town shop. Regardless, I cannot
imagine any small town shop advising purchase of a
camera that won't work with old lenses if the customer
says that is what they want to use. (If for no other
reason than it is exactly the excuse the sales person
needs to switch to a more expensive camera.)
You made up this scenario. It isn't rational.
>I haven't used Nikon bodies since the days of film. It wasn't until my
>friend bought an entry-level Nikon DSLR that the problem became apparent. If
>you look around this newsgroup I believe you will see that some Nikon users
>see the old lens / entry-level DSLR as a problem whereas others do not.
You are still missing the point. The problem is not
with Nikon's camera/lens design. They *do* provide
camera bodies that function perfectly with older lenses.
(A distinct difference from other manufacturer's who had
a less technically advanced lens mount in the 1970's and
had no choice but to abandon *all* compatibility.)
The "problem" is people making up excuses for doing
stupid things. Or, in your case, making up claims of
others doing stupid things in order to jusify your own
decisions.
>As I said, your mileage may vary.
So does the honesty and rationality of your articles.
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
In article <87iqdu1681.fld@apaflo.com>, Floyd L. Davidson
<floyd@apaflo.com> wrote:
> You are still missing the point. The problem is not
> with Nikon's camera/lens design. They *do* provide
> camera bodies that function perfectly with older lenses.
exactly. if someone wants to use old lenses they should pick a camera
with that capability. many users have no interest in old lenses (or for
that matter, new ones other than the kit lens), so why pay for a
feature that won't ever be used?
nikon removed the motor that was never used which made the camera
smaller, lighter and less expensive and it sold like crazy.
> (A distinct difference from other manufacturer's who had
> a less technically advanced lens mount in the 1970's and
> had no choice but to abandon *all* compatibility.)
indeed. the fd mount sucked, to be blunt.
minolta, on the other hand, didn't have a good reason to change mounts
but they did anyway and they didn't stop with the lens, they came up
with a wacky hotshoe too.
In article <9okre5tj6r1ip443fbhafnnsutp7sjef9j@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >Personally, I stayed with the FD bodies and lenses until there was something
> >better on offer.
>
> There's still nothing better on offer.
> The issue is the lack of even one digital body.
wrong. there are currently several digital bodies that take fd lenses
with an appropriate adapter.
In article <sZmdnSclrdNMSnDXnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Neil
Harrington <secret@illumnati.net> wrote:
> I know a good number of people who bought SLRs for the first time and not a
> single one of them ever bought "second-hand old lenses" (meaning lenses so
> old as to be incompatible) for them. At least half of them in fact never
> bought any lens other than the one that came with the camera. Those who did
> buy a second lens in every case bought one suitable for the camera.
exactly. last time i checked, there were over 80 lenses that would work
from several manufacturers. by now it's probably 100 or more. it's a
non-issue.
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:11:24 -0000, "No spam please"
<me@spamnotwelcome.org> wrote in <hci9pg$20dv$1@adenine.netfront.net>:
>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> More's the pity, because Canon FD lenses still are some of the finest
>> lenses ever made. That Canon orphaned them without even a single
>> digital body was a big betrayal of customers and a good reason to avoid
>> Canon products. If and when I buy a dSLR it will probably be a Nikon,
>> in part because Nikon has respected its promises and its customers.
>Actually, you may find there's more of a mess with Nikon lenses than with
>Canon lenses.
>
>I have no problems using any Canon EF lens on any EF body.
You've defining the problem away, and in fact some Canon EF lenses won't
work on some Canon EF bodies.
>This isn't the case with Nilkon. Old Nikon lenses will physically mount on a
>modern Nikon body but will they support metering and all the exposure modes
>offered by that modern body? A friend has a Nikon D50 DSLR and an old Nikon
>telephoto zoom. The zoom works in one or two of the body's modes but not in
>all of them. Based on conversations over the phone, I think the two modes
>are Manual and Aperture priority.
That's what he gets for buying an entry level camera.
The D80 would have been a better choice.
It's part of why it's so disingenuous to claim cheap dSLR cameras are a
practical alternative to high end (bridge) compact digital cameras.
>I read, when the EF mount came out, that the FD mount physically would not
>have permitted Canon to offer all the facilities they wanted on their
>autofocus lenses.
So Canon (1) lied when touting the advantages of the FD mount,
(2) wasn't as good on the original mount design as Nikon,
(3) wasn't smart enough to extend the FD mount,
(4) wasn't smart enough to make a digital body for the FD mount,
(5) wanted to sell new EF glass to replace FD glass.
Take your pick.
>Personally, I stayed with the FD bodies and lenses until there was something
>better on offer.
There's still nothing better on offer.
The issue is the lack of even one digital body.
--
Best regards,
John
Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer,
it makes you a dSLR owner.
"The single most important component of a camera
is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:09:15 -0000, "No spam please"
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>"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:311020091732524976%nospam@nospam.invalid.. .
>> In article <hci9pg$20dv$1@adenine.netfront.net>, No spam please
>> <me@spamnotwelcome.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, you may find there's more of a mess with Nikon lenses than with
>>> Canon lenses.
>>>
>>> I have no problems using any Canon EF lens on any EF body.
>>
>> there are no problems using any nikon af lens on any nikon body either.
>> the only issue is that entry level cameras won't autofocus old lenses,
>> but people who buy those entry level bodies aren't likely to have old
>> lenses so it's a non issue.
>>
>> nikon saw that most people buy 1-2 lenses with the camera and that's
>> it, so they made a smaller and lighter camera and sales skyrocketed.
>> the d40 was one of the best selling dslrs, so obviously, nikon's
>> marketing nailed that one right.
>>
>> meanwhile, canon users can't *ever* use old manual focus lenses (and
>> the adapters don't work well, if at all).
>>
>< snip >
>
>I have no problem in using my FD lenses on my FD mount bodies :->
None of which are digital.
--
Best regards,
John
Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer,
it makes you a dSLR owner.
"The single most important component of a camera
is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:53:21 -0000, "No spam please"
<me@spamnotwelcome.org> wrote in <hck4q7$d90$2@adenine.netfront.net>:
>Before you ask - not all airlines permit digital cameras to be used during
>flight and many prohibit them during the take-off and landing phases of the
>flight. I fly with an airline that has a total ban on digital equipment.
>It's a good airline (usually on time, plenty of leg room and so on) so I'm
>happy to use a film body.
Which airline (by name)?
--
Best regards,
John
Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer,
it makes you a dSLR owner.
"The single most important component of a camera
is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
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> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> In article <4aed2654$0$1598$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
>> <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> >there are no problems using any nikon af lens on any nikon body either.
>>> >the only issue is that entry level cameras won't autofocus old lenses,
>>>
>>> So there's no problems except for the problems.
>>
>> people who buy entry level cameras don't usually buy a lot of old
>> lenses and people who have a lot of lenses don't usually buy entry
>> level cameras, so it isn't actually much of a problem.
>
> In my experience, my friends who bought entry-level cameras wanted to keep
> their spending to the minimum in case they weren't able to handle an SLR.
> This meant that they tended to buy those second-hand old lenses.
No offense, but I doubt very much that is "in your experience."
I know a good number of people who bought SLRs for the first time and not a
single one of them ever bought "second-hand old lenses" (meaning lenses so
old as to be incompatible) for them. At least half of them in fact never
bought any lens other than the one that came with the camera. Those who did
buy a second lens in every case bought one suitable for the camera.
People who buy additional lenses tend to be knowledgeable enough about what
they're doing to buy something that they know will work.
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