After using my EVF Point and Shoot for a while I find that it is most useful to shoot at ISO 400 to 800. Notwithstanding Image Stabilization, you can use a faster shutter speed with a smaller lens opening getting better depth of field and get sharper photos. The problem (if you want to print large - at least 8.5x11) is noise.
This is what makes the case for a DSLR. You can shoot ISO 800 and get all of the advantages with much less noise to produce the enlargements. The price you pay in addition to costs is the weight and bulkiness and the inconvenience of having to switch lenses many times. And if you have a full frame DSLR the cost, lens swapping, weight and the number of lenes you need to carry is even more.
It would be nice to have a new (SEVF) super EVF that had a larger sensor so the noise would not be a factor.
A larger sensor means a larger camera and a larger lens.
The EVF makes sense as an alternative to a dSLR if the form factor remains significantly smaller.
Noise in the current generation of EVFs is pretty bad much above ISO 100 compared to a dSLR.
Less than a year ago the geniuses on this newsgroup said that the noise levels now being reported in the D300 were impossible.
This can trickle down to a siginificant degree to the EVF sized sensors.
measekite wrote:
>
> It would be nice to have a new (SEVF) super EVF that had a larger sensor
> so the noise would not be a factor.
That is the "Holy Grail" of P/S owners everywhere.
I'm hoping that Panasonic can do it.
They adopted the 4/3" sensor size for their DSLR and put Leica to work
designing super sharp lenses specifically for this size sensor.
Once they start manufacturing those lenses in quantity, I hope to see
them move it over to Panny's EVF line of P/S cameras.
IMHO, If they can produce a relatively small, EVF, 8-10MP, 4/3" sensor
P/S superzoom. They will OWN the P/S market.
Bob Williams
Bob Williams wrote:
> measekite wrote:
>>
>> It would be nice to have a new (SEVF) super EVF that had a larger
>> sensor so the noise would not be a factor.
>
> That is the "Holy Grail" of P/S owners everywhere.
> I'm hoping that Panasonic can do it.
> They adopted the 4/3" sensor size for their DSLR and put Leica to work
> designing super sharp lenses specifically for this size sensor.
> Once they start manufacturing those lenses in quantity, I hope to see
> them move it over to Panny's EVF line of P/S cameras.
> IMHO, If they can produce a relatively small, EVF, 8-10MP, 4/3" sensor
> P/S superzoom. They will OWN the P/S market.
> Bob Williams
I would love to think that as well, but it would be too big, too
expensive, and a flop (like the Sony DSC-R1 was, for similar reasons).
David J Taylor wrote:
> Bob Williams wrote:
>> measekite wrote:
>>> It would be nice to have a new (SEVF) super EVF that had a larger
>>> sensor so the noise would not be a factor.
>> That is the "Holy Grail" of P/S owners everywhere.
>> I'm hoping that Panasonic can do it.
>> They adopted the 4/3" sensor size for their DSLR and put Leica to work
>> designing super sharp lenses specifically for this size sensor.
>> Once they start manufacturing those lenses in quantity, I hope to see
>> them move it over to Panny's EVF line of P/S cameras.
>> IMHO, If they can produce a relatively small, EVF, 8-10MP, 4/3" sensor
>> P/S superzoom. They will OWN the P/S market.
>> Bob Williams
>
> I would love to think that as well, but it would be too big, too
> expensive, and a flop (like the Sony DSC-R1 was, for similar reasons).
>
> David
Never say never!
IMHO, Sony came out with the R-1 too early.
Its APS-C sensor is 40% (area) larger than the 4/3" sensor.
This, of course, requires a larger lens.....which requires a larger body
which requires........etc., etc.......!
To get the image quality they wanted in 2005, they needed to go to APS-C
size. Since 2005, however, there nave been significant advances in
sensor design.
By 2009, (a hopeful release date for the Panny V8 (8MP vaporware) :-), a
4/3" sensor will most likely be able to outperform a 2005 APS sensor.
Also, The R-1 was not priced right. Its MSRP of $999 put it right in the
middle of a whole bunch of very competent DSLRs. Its 5X zoom was not a
compelling reason to choose it over a DSLR with an equivalent zoom range.
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the V8, but if it appears, I
will be among the early adopters.
Bob
Bob Williams wrote:
> measekite wrote:
>>
>> It would be nice to have a new (SEVF) super EVF that had a larger
>> sensor so the noise would not be a factor.
>
> That is the "Holy Grail" of P/S owners everywhere.
> I'm hoping that Panasonic can do it.
> They adopted the 4/3" sensor size for their DSLR and put Leica to work
> designing super sharp lenses specifically for this size sensor.
> Once they start manufacturing those lenses in quantity, I hope to see
> them move it over to Panny's EVF line of P/S cameras.
> IMHO, If they can produce a relatively small, EVF, 8-10MP, 4/3" sensor
> P/S superzoom. They will OWN the P/S market.
> Bob Williams
The problem with Panasonics approach to noise is over processing (aka
smearing) that they use in the FZ8/18. This is one of the reasons I
went to Canon in addition to the swiveling LCD and the ability to zoom
when shooting a movie (not really that important but nice). Canon does
exhibit slightly more noise but more detail and no smearing.
I am sure they can have a little large sensor with less noise and not
increase the weight and size too much.
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> <font face="sans-serif">After using my EVF Point and Shoot for a while
> I find that it is most useful to shoot at ISO 400 to 800.
> Notwithstanding Image Stabilization, you can use a faster shutter speed
> with a smaller lens opening getting better depth of field and get
> sharper photos. The problem (if you want to print large - at least
> 8.5x11) is noise.<br>
> <br>
> This is what makes the case for a DSLR. You can shoot ISO 800 and get
> all of the advantages with much less noise to produce the
> enlargements. The price you pay in addition to costs is the weight and
> bulkiness and the inconvenience of having to switch lenses many times.
> And if you have a full frame DSLR the cost, lens swapping, weight and
> the number of lenes you need to carry is even more.<br>
> <br>
> It would be nice to have a new (SEVF) super EVF that had a larger
> sensor so the noise would not be a factor.<br>
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ISO 400 to 800 Ideal 
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