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Old 06-21-2008, 01:35 PM
Alfred Molon
 
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Default Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

Here is an interesting article by Dave Etchells:
http://www.slrgear.com/articles/focus/focus.htm

I found it interesting that according to him manual focus through the
viewfinder is not precise enough, while manual focus through live
preview on an LCD screen delivers the best results.
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Old 06-21-2008, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

"Alfred Molon" <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22c713fcd50868c698bcdc@news.supernews.com ...
> Here is an interesting article by Dave Etchells:
> http://www.slrgear.com/articles/focus/focus.htm
>
> I found it interesting that according to him manual focus through the
> viewfinder is not precise enough, while manual focus through live
> preview on an LCD screen delivers the best results.
> --
>
> Alfred Molon
> ------------------------------
> Olympus 50X0, 8080, E3X0, E4X0, E5X0 and E3 forum at
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
> http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site



Indeed, an excellent read.

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Old 06-21-2008, 03:05 PM
Don Stauffer in Minnesota
 
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Default Re: Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

On Jun 21, 7:35 am, Alfred Molon <alfred_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Here is an interesting article by Dave Etchells:http://www.slrgear.com/articles/focus/focus.htm
>
> I found it interesting that according to him manual focus through the
> viewfinder is not precise enough, while manual focus through live
> preview on an LCD screen delivers the best results.
> --
>
> Alfred Molon
> ------------------------------
> Olympus 50X0, 8080, E3X0, E4X0, E5X0 and E3 forum athttp://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/http://myolympus.org/photo sharing site


Much of what he says is true, but somewhat irrelevant to the average
photographer who does not have access to an optics lab. I used to be
a lens designer and EO system analyst. We had a lot of nice
equipment. I no longer have access to such equipment but I still
normally use manual focus.

It is easy enough to check your eyesight and its effects with
viewfinder. With the lens on infinity look through at a very distant
(many miles) high contrast object, like moon or very distant feature.

Depending on the type of focusing screen in an SLR eye defects may or
may not interact between eye and camera lens. If the viewfinder shows
any recticle marks, such as focusing squares or exposure zones, are
they sharply in focus? If so than you can get a good manual focus.

The problem I see most with autofocus is with an object with a lot of
depth. Say a railroad track running from front to back. Where along
that object should you focus. You can use rules of thumb to do manual
focus, but I doubt the computer in the camera can use such rules.

Admittedly an LCD screen is far, far from resolution needed to judge
focus.

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Old 06-21-2008, 04:19 PM
Chris H
 
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Default Re: Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

In message <MPG.22c713fcd50868c698bcdc@news.supernews.com>, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> writes
>Here is an interesting article by Dave Etchells:
>http://www.slrgear.com/articles/focus/focus.htm
>
>I found it interesting that according to him manual focus through the
>viewfinder is not precise enough, while manual focus through live
>preview on an LCD screen delivers the best results.



The point about testing the lens and not the camera is good.

I use the DXO RAW converter because DXO is also a lens test house and
the DXO RAW software can compensate for lenses and bodies.

They have a whole list of camera and lens modules and it automatically
loads the appropriate one(s) for each shot.

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Old 06-21-2008, 04:31 PM
Matt Ion
 
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Default Re: Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

Alfred Molon wrote:
> Here is an interesting article by Dave Etchells:
> http://www.slrgear.com/articles/focus/focus.htm
>
> I found it interesting that according to him manual focus through the
> viewfinder is not precise enough, while manual focus through live
> preview on an LCD screen delivers the best results.


However did I survive with my old Minolta X-700??

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Old 06-21-2008, 04:37 PM
David J Taylor
 
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Default Re: Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

Matt Ion wrote:
> Alfred Molon wrote:
>> Here is an interesting article by Dave Etchells:
>> http://www.slrgear.com/articles/focus/focus.htm
>>
>> I found it interesting that according to him manual focus through the
>> viewfinder is not precise enough, while manual focus through live
>> preview on an LCD screen delivers the best results.

>
> However did I survive with my old Minolta X-700??


As with any tool, by gaining experience in how best to use it. And
stopping down a little probably helped..... <G>

David


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Old 06-21-2008, 05:38 PM
Alfred Molon
 
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Default Re: Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

In article <g3j6su$at$6@registered.motzarella.org>, Matt Ion says...

> However did I survive with my old Minolta X-700??


What do you think of the Tamron 70-300? I'm looking for a 70-300 lens
suitable for a Pentax K20D or Sony 350.
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Old 06-21-2008, 05:38 PM
Alfred Molon
 
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Default Re: Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

In article <122465f9-3e52-4411-b3d6-4f240fe66274
@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Don Stauffer in Minnesota says...

> Admittedly an LCD screen is far, far from resolution needed to judge
> focus.


But you can zoom down to pixel level and precisely adjust focus.
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Old 06-21-2008, 06:19 PM
Paul Furman
 
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Default Re: Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

Alfred Molon wrote:
> Here is an interesting article by Dave Etchells:
> http://www.slrgear.com/articles/focus/focus.htm
>
> I found it interesting that according to him manual focus through the
> viewfinder is not precise enough, while manual focus through live
> preview on an LCD screen delivers the best results.


Live view (on a D300, only one I've fiddled with) is not full
magnification. Post-view on the LCD of a D200 is as good as a computer
monitor (not true for the D70), but of course that takes trial & error.
Also they admit not attempting manual focus with a split prism
viewfinder focusing aid. Anyways yes, live view is the most accurate for
studio conditions but awkward for hand held shooting.


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Old 06-21-2008, 06:20 PM
Paul Furman
 
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Default Re: Focus Fallibility: Lens Test Fallacies

Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <122465f9-3e52-4411-b3d6-4f240fe66274
> @x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Don Stauffer in Minnesota says...
>
>> Admittedly an LCD screen is far, far from resolution needed to judge
>> focus.

>
> But you can zoom down to pixel level and precisely adjust focus.


Not quite that close. From what I've seen the D300 zooms closer after
taking the shot than in live view.

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