I have become a big fan of low self discharge NiMH batteries (aka
"precharged", "hybrid")
But I had not seen any mention of these from Energizer despite their
wide availbility from virtually all other vendors. So I inquired
directly of Energizer and received the following response:
"At this time, Energizer does not have plans to offer low discharge
batteries."
This seems to make little sense. Anyone have any knowledge or guess
why this would be?
DirtRoadie wrote:
> I have become a big fan of low self discharge NiMH batteries (aka
> "precharged", "hybrid")
> But I had not seen any mention of these from Energizer despite their
> wide availbility from virtually all other vendors. So I inquired
> directly of Energizer and received the following response:
>
> "At this time, Energizer does not have plans to offer low discharge
> batteries."
>
> This seems to make little sense. Anyone have any knowledge or guess
> why this would be?
>
> DR
I believe the technology is licensed from Sanyo, the original developer.
So maybe it's a licensing thing.
Dave Cohen
On Feb 7, 5:45*pm, Dave Cohen <u...@example.net> wrote:
> I believe the technology is licensed from Sanyo, the original developer.
> So maybe it's a licensing thing.
Licensing would hardly seem to be an issue since it seems as if
EVERYBODY but Energizer has the LSD batteries (and they apparently
only come from a few sources anyhow.
I was under the impression that Sanyo was the OEM for many of
Energizer's other NiMH batteries.
It seems strange that a supplier as large as Energizer would just
ignore the market.
DirtRoadie wrote:
> On Feb 7, 5:45 pm, Dave Cohen <u...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> I believe the technology is licensed from Sanyo, the original developer.
>> So maybe it's a licensing thing.
>
> Licensing would hardly seem to be an issue since it seems as if
> EVERYBODY but Energizer has the LSD batteries (and they apparently
> only come from a few sources anyhow.
>
> See:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_sel...ry#Brand_names
>
> I was under the impression that Sanyo was the OEM for many of
> Energizer's other NiMH batteries.
> It seems strange that a supplier as large as Energizer would just
> ignore the market.
>
> DR
I suspect that if they continue to do so, they will simply lose out on
that part of the market segment, which is to say NiMH formulation.
Probably not fatal to the company, but certainly not a wise approach.
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:07:48 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote in <DdednVbLVLhptDHanZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@giganews.com>:
>DirtRoadie wrote:
>> On Feb 7, 5:45 pm, Dave Cohen <u...@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the technology is licensed from Sanyo, the original developer.
>>> So maybe it's a licensing thing.
>>
>> Licensing would hardly seem to be an issue since it seems as if
>> EVERYBODY but Energizer has the LSD batteries (and they apparently
>> only come from a few sources anyhow.
>>
>> See:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_sel...ry#Brand_names
>>
>> I was under the impression that Sanyo was the OEM for many of
>> Energizer's other NiMH batteries.
>> It seems strange that a supplier as large as Energizer would just
>> ignore the market.
>I suspect that if they continue to do so, they will simply lose out on
>that part of the market segment, which is to say NiMH formulation.
>Probably not fatal to the company, but certainly not a wise approach.
My guess(tm) is that they are probably more capable of properly managing
their battery business than anyone here. There may well be other
issues we don't fully appreciate, if at all.
--
Best regards,
John Navas
Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
On Feb 8, 10:11*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> My guess(tm) is that they are probably more capable of properly managing
> their battery business than anyone here. * *There may well be other
> issues we don't fully appreciate, if at all.
That's proably true. I was merely trying to grasp what those issues
might be.
DR
John Navas wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:07:48 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
> wrote in <DdednVbLVLhptDHanZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@giganews.com>:
>
>> DirtRoadie wrote:
>>> On Feb 7, 5:45 pm, Dave Cohen <u...@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe the technology is licensed from Sanyo, the original developer.
>>>> So maybe it's a licensing thing.
>>> Licensing would hardly seem to be an issue since it seems as if
>>> EVERYBODY but Energizer has the LSD batteries (and they apparently
>>> only come from a few sources anyhow.
>>>
>>> See:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_sel...ry#Brand_names
>>>
>>> I was under the impression that Sanyo was the OEM for many of
>>> Energizer's other NiMH batteries.
>>> It seems strange that a supplier as large as Energizer would just
>>> ignore the market.
>
>> I suspect that if they continue to do so, they will simply lose out on
>> that part of the market segment, which is to say NiMH formulation.
>> Probably not fatal to the company, but certainly not a wise approach.
>
> My guess(tm) is that they are probably more capable of properly managing
> their battery business than anyone here. There may well be other
> issues we don't fully appreciate, if at all.
>
Well, it's their business. Maybe they have a superior technology in the
wings, and don't want to waste time and money on something not as good.
As long as there are alternatives, and the company isn't hurt by a
small hole in their product line, it isn't a problem. If I were a
large stockholder, I might be curious about it, though.
DirtRoadie wrote:
> I have become a big fan of low self discharge NiMH batteries (aka
> "precharged", "hybrid")
> But I had not seen any mention of these from Energizer despite their
> wide availbility from virtually all other vendors. So I inquired
> directly of Energizer and received the following response:
>
> "At this time, Energizer does not have plans to offer low discharge
> batteries."
>
> This seems to make little sense. Anyone have any knowledge or guess
> why this would be?
Well the latest shipment (in Australia) of Energizer NiMH's
that I received carry a sticker on the front of the package
saying that they now hold their charge longer. Doesn't look
to be quite as long as the Eneloops, but they are 2500mAH vs
the Eneloops at 2000mAH. Looks like Energizer have altered
the compromise between capacity and longevity compared to
what Sanyo have done.
>> I have become a big fan of low self discharge NiMH batteries (aka
>> "precharged", "hybrid") But I had not seen any mention of these from
>> Energizer <snip>
A google search turned up nothing you can buy from Energizer.
I've been using the Eneloop batteries for about a year. One application
is the flashlight that we use for an evening walk. We take the dog out
for about 30 minutes a night. There are four AA batteries in the
flashlight. Eneloop batteries with 2000mAH outlast our non-hybrid
rechargables (all brands) which boast 2500mAH. A full charge seems to
power the light for about a week to ten days. It appears to me that
unless you are going to discharge the non-hybrid batteries very soon
after charging, you are unlikely to benefit from the extra 500mAH. The
extra juice just gets lost in the self-discharge process.
If you do the math, rechargables of any sort make all the sense in the
world. Their initial cost is repaid many times over in lower operating
costs and less garbage in the landfill. I would encourage any
photographer who uses AA batteries to go immediately to rechargables.
Keep a backup set of lithiums if you're going somewhere that doesn't
have electricity, but for everyday use, go with the rechargables. If
your experience is anything like mine, you'll want the hybrids.
Here are some of the infrequently-used places where the Eneloop hybrid
(or any other brand hybrid) seem to makes sense. The flashlight in the
car. The P&S camera that my son uses once a week or so. My extra flash
unit that gets used only sproadically. The radio triggers. The smoke
detector. Anything else that might sit on the shelf for a couple of
weeks before use, or might need a low power drain for a long time,
because a week or two is time enough for the non-hybrids to bleed a lot
of their power.
I still own and use a few of the non-hybrids batteries - they were prior
inventory - and as they die I am replacing all of them with Eneloops.
Doug Jewell <ask@and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in news:47aed1d0$0$3350
$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
> DirtRoadie wrote:
>> I have become a big fan of low self discharge NiMH batteries (aka
>> "precharged", "hybrid")
>> But I had not seen any mention of these from Energizer despite their
>> wide availbility from virtually all other vendors. So I inquired
>> directly of Energizer and received the following response:
>>
>> "At this time, Energizer does not have plans to offer low discharge
>> batteries."
>>
>> This seems to make little sense. Anyone have any knowledge or guess
>> why this would be?
> Well the latest shipment (in Australia) of Energizer NiMH's
> that I received carry a sticker on the front of the package
> saying that they now hold their charge longer. Doesn't look
> to be quite as long as the Eneloops, but they are 2500mAH vs
> the Eneloops at 2000mAH. Looks like Energizer have altered
> the compromise between capacity and longevity compared to
> what Sanyo have done.
Ive checked several brands of "true" eneloops tech batteries and they all
range between 2000 & 2100mAh. I am aware of so called "low discharge"
NIMH's with higher capacities but that seems to be a sort of twilight
zone "hybrid," between the old type NiMH's and "true" eneloop
FWIW
Energizer Low Self Discharge NiMH 
There may well be other
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