UK ebay seller, trading as rockycamera (formerly member446885), also has
a website www.rockycameras.com. This is not just a problem for UK
buyers, the scam artist will happily ship to the US and worldwide.
He buys in used cameras and lenses in bulk and performs no proper checks
on them before punting them out as "=OPTICALLY PERFECT=", etc. When
things go wrong, as they frequently do, a complainer will be assured of
a refund or replacement that never arrives.
His most audacious exploit recently was to take back a faulty item, fail
to refund the buyer, and then re-list the same item on ebay. Priceless.
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> UK ebay seller, trading as rockycamera (formerly member446885), also has
> a website www.rockycameras.com. This is not just a problem for UK
> buyers, the scam artist will happily ship to the US and worldwide.
> He buys in used cameras and lenses in bulk and performs no proper checks
> on them before punting them out as "=OPTICALLY PERFECT=", etc. When
> things go wrong, as they frequently do, a complainer will be assured of
> a refund or replacement that never arrives.
> His most audacious exploit recently was to take back a faulty item, fail
> to refund the buyer, and then re-list the same item on ebay. Priceless.
>
> For a flavour of this crook's dealings, look here...
> http://www.resellerratings.com/store/RockyCameras
>
> Or simply check his negs on ebay...
> http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?Use...ed+by&ref=home
>
> I urge everyone to boycott this scumbag.
Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote
>UK ebay seller, trading as rockycamera (formerly member446885), also has
>a website www.rockycameras.com. This is not just a problem for UK
>buyers, the scam artist will happily ship to the US and worldwide.
>He buys in used cameras and lenses in bulk and performs no proper checks
>on them before punting them out as "=OPTICALLY PERFECT=", etc. When
>things go wrong, as they frequently do, a complainer will be assured of
>a refund or replacement that never arrives.
>His most audacious exploit recently was to take back a faulty item, fail
>to refund the buyer, and then re-list the same item on ebay. Priceless.
>
>For a flavour of this crook's dealings, look here...
>http://www.resellerratings.com/store/RockyCameras
>
>Or simply check his negs on ebay...
>http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?Use...ed+by&ref=home
>
>I urge everyone to boycott this scumbag.
Interesting.... I wonder if the existence of these websites is why
scammers keep changing their Ebay identity. I can't see how these
sites could keep track otherwise. And you can change your Ebay name
anytime.
It's easy with scam sellers - they get bad feedback which you can see.
Scam buyers don't - they can just keep going.
Peter wrote:
> Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote
>> I urge everyone to boycott this scumbag.
>
> Interesting.... I wonder if the existence of these websites is why
> scammers keep changing their Ebay identity. I can't see how these
> sites could keep track otherwise. And you can change your Ebay name
> anytime.
>
> It's easy with scam sellers - they get bad feedback which you can see.
> Scam buyers don't - they can just keep going.
>
> Paypal will always protect the buyer.
Ha!
I got a defective camera, started a case, and Paypal just closed the
case because I'm away from home and couldn't meet their 8-day deadline
for sending the camera back to the seller, over 2.5 months after I
bought the item.
Also, I had already spent €59 to get an offical condition appraisal (as
they requested), with another tight deadline (the request came one day
before I left home).
Of course, anyone with a pending case should just stay home indefinitely
or else take the defective item with them around the World...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:24:38 +0100, Rol_Lei Nut
<Speleo_karstremovelenscap@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Peter wrote:
>> Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote
>
>>> I urge everyone to boycott this scumbag.
>>
>> Interesting.... I wonder if the existence of these websites is why
>> scammers keep changing their Ebay identity. I can't see how these
>> sites could keep track otherwise. And you can change your Ebay name
>> anytime.
>>
>> It's easy with scam sellers - they get bad feedback which you can see.
>> Scam buyers don't - they can just keep going.
>>
>> Paypal will always protect the buyer.
>
>Ha!
>
>I got a defective camera, started a case, and Paypal just closed the
>case because I'm away from home and couldn't meet their 8-day deadline
>for sending the camera back to the seller, over 2.5 months after I
>bought the item.
>
>Also, I had already spent €59 to get an offical condition appraisal (as
>they requested), with another tight deadline (the request came one day
>before I left home).
>
>Of course, anyone with a pending case should just stay home indefinitely
>or else take the defective item with them around the World...
>
>Never again Paypal!!!!!
>
>Sorry for the rant, but I'm really ****ed-off!
Why are you ****ed at PayPal? It is the seller who sent you a
defective camera, and presumably the seller who refused to replace the
camera or provide you with a refund.
The seller caused the problem.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
tony cooper wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:24:38 +0100, Rol_Lei Nut
> <Speleo_karstremovelenscap@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Peter wrote:
>>> Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote
>>>> I urge everyone to boycott this scumbag.
>>> Interesting.... I wonder if the existence of these websites is why
>>> scammers keep changing their Ebay identity. I can't see how these
>>> sites could keep track otherwise. And you can change your Ebay name
>>> anytime.
>>>
>>> It's easy with scam sellers - they get bad feedback which you can see.
>>> Scam buyers don't - they can just keep going.
>>>
>>> Paypal will always protect the buyer.
>> Ha!
>>
>> I got a defective camera, started a case, and Paypal just closed the
>> case because I'm away from home and couldn't meet their 8-day deadline
>> for sending the camera back to the seller, over 2.5 months after I
>> bought the item.
>>
>> Also, I had already spent €59 to get an offical condition appraisal (as
>> they requested), with another tight deadline (the request came one day
>> before I left home).
>>
>> Of course, anyone with a pending case should just stay home indefinitely
>> or else take the defective item with them around the World...
>>
>> Never again Paypal!!!!!
>>
>> Sorry for the rant, but I'm really ****ed-off!
>
> Why are you ****ed at PayPal? It is the seller who sent you a
> defective camera, and presumably the seller who refused to replace the
> camera or provide you with a refund.
>
> The seller caused the problem.
Paypal is supposed to offer buyer protection exactly for these problems.
I spent a lot of time and money to comply with their arbitrary demands
and deadlines, until the last one which I simply couldn't meet.
And, yes, I did explain the fact that I was abroad to them, to no avail.
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:45:25 +0100, Christopher Loffredo
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>tony cooper wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:24:38 +0100, Rol_Lei Nut
>> <Speleo_karstremovelenscap@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter wrote:
>>>> Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote
>>>>> I urge everyone to boycott this scumbag.
>>>> Interesting.... I wonder if the existence of these websites is why
>>>> scammers keep changing their Ebay identity. I can't see how these
>>>> sites could keep track otherwise. And you can change your Ebay name
>>>> anytime.
>>>>
>>>> It's easy with scam sellers - they get bad feedback which you can see.
>>>> Scam buyers don't - they can just keep going.
>>>>
>>>> Paypal will always protect the buyer.
>>> Ha!
>>>
>>> I got a defective camera, started a case, and Paypal just closed the
>>> case because I'm away from home and couldn't meet their 8-day deadline
>>> for sending the camera back to the seller, over 2.5 months after I
>>> bought the item.
>>>
>>> Also, I had already spent €59 to get an offical condition appraisal (as
>>> they requested), with another tight deadline (the request came one day
>>> before I left home).
>>>
>>> Of course, anyone with a pending case should just stay home indefinitely
>>> or else take the defective item with them around the World...
>>>
>>> Never again Paypal!!!!!
>>>
>>> Sorry for the rant, but I'm really ****ed-off!
>>
>> Why are you ****ed at PayPal? It is the seller who sent you a
>> defective camera, and presumably the seller who refused to replace the
>> camera or provide you with a refund.
>>
>> The seller caused the problem.
>
>Paypal is supposed to offer buyer protection exactly for these problems.
>
>I spent a lot of time and money to comply with their arbitrary demands
>and deadlines, until the last one which I simply couldn't meet.
>
>And, yes, I did explain the fact that I was abroad to them, to no avail.
It's even worse than that. Read the fine print of Paypal's buyer
protection. Even if you jump through the hoops and they find in your
favor, the only action they'll take is to deduct money from the
seller's paypal account balance to give to you. They don't cover any
buyer protection themselves.
That does absolutely nothing for a scammer who comes on, opens an
account, sells a bunch of goods, ****es people off and then closes up
shop. And since the paypal arbitration process takes weeks to go
through, it's highly likely they'll be long gone and you'll get
nothing at all.
Your best bet is to pay by credit card even if Paypal tries to
convince you that you're getting some sort of buyer protection if you
don't use a credit card. If enough people do that and don't fall for
their crap, then maybe they'll start to offer *real* buyer protection,
like your credit card does.
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:45:25 +0100, Christopher Loffredo
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>tony cooper wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:24:38 +0100, Rol_Lei Nut
>> <Speleo_karstremovelenscap@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter wrote:
>>>> Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote
>>>>> I urge everyone to boycott this scumbag.
>>>> Interesting.... I wonder if the existence of these websites is why
>>>> scammers keep changing their Ebay identity. I can't see how these
>>>> sites could keep track otherwise. And you can change your Ebay name
>>>> anytime.
>>>>
>>>> It's easy with scam sellers - they get bad feedback which you can see.
>>>> Scam buyers don't - they can just keep going.
>>>>
>>>> Paypal will always protect the buyer.
>>> Ha!
>>>
>>> I got a defective camera, started a case, and Paypal just closed the
>>> case because I'm away from home and couldn't meet their 8-day deadline
>>> for sending the camera back to the seller, over 2.5 months after I
>>> bought the item.
>>>
>>> Also, I had already spent €59 to get an offical condition appraisal (as
>>> they requested), with another tight deadline (the request came one day
>>> before I left home).
>>>
>>> Of course, anyone with a pending case should just stay home indefinitely
>>> or else take the defective item with them around the World...
>>>
>>> Never again Paypal!!!!!
>>>
>>> Sorry for the rant, but I'm really ****ed-off!
>>
>> Why are you ****ed at PayPal? It is the seller who sent you a
>> defective camera, and presumably the seller who refused to replace the
>> camera or provide you with a refund.
>>
>> The seller caused the problem.
>
>Paypal is supposed to offer buyer protection exactly for these problems.
You cannot expect them to offer protection without some limitation or
conditions. The protection was there, but you couldn't take advantage
of it.
Using a regular credit card also offers protection, but any credit
card company has limitations on their protection.
>I spent a lot of time and money to comply with their arbitrary demands
>and deadlines, until the last one which I simply couldn't meet.
Their demands, deadlines, and restrictions are clearly spelled out.
>And, yes, I did explain the fact that I was abroad to them, to no avail.
That's not their problem, and anyone can say anything.
The seller caused your problem, not PayPal. PayPal couldn't rectify
the problem because you were unable to comply with their conditions.
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> saying something like:
>The seller caused your problem, not PayPal. PayPal couldn't rectify
>the problem because you were unable to comply with their conditions.
I suppose you've never been burnt by PayPal? You'll change your tune
when somebody uses the loopholes and delays in the PP system to rip you
off.
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:59:50 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon
<grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember tony cooper
><tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> saying something like:
>
>>The seller caused your problem, not PayPal. PayPal couldn't rectify
>>the problem because you were unable to comply with their conditions.
>
>I suppose you've never been burnt by PayPal? You'll change your tune
>when somebody uses the loopholes and delays in the PP system to rip you
>off.
No, I haven't. If I do get ripped off, it will be a seller or a
buyer. PayPal will never burn me if the seller or my buyer doesn't.
PayPal's "protection plan" is there to get you out of a problem if you
follow their clearly stated rules. They don't put you *in* a problem
situation, though. The other party in the sales transaction does.
Beware of Rocky Cameras, UK 
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