My sister-in-law finally has given up on P&S due to their shutter lag.
She asked me for help in choosing a D-SLR with the following criteria:
No-Compromise
1. <= $1000 for body
2. Minimum of 10 megapixels
3. Not too heavy (800 grams or less)
4. Wireless remote
5. CMOS sensor (she doesn't really care about the sensor type, but needs
low noise at high-ISO)
Preferred
1. Live View (I know, only a few models have this)
2. 3" LCD
3. 12 megapixels
I suggested the D80, but she didn't like the reviews that talk about the
noise levels at high ISO, and it has none of her "preferred" criteria.
The only thing I could find that comes close is the Canon Rebel XSi,
which is about $725. I'm really uneasy about the consumer grade Canon
models though. I was hoping that Canon would release an upgrade to the
40D with 12 megapixels and LiveView soon since it's almost a year since
the 40D came out, and price it at around $1000, or that Nikon would
upgrade the D80 with a 12 megapixel sensor, 3" LCD, and live view, kind
of a lower end D300 (which I guess they wouldn't want to do because it
might hurt D300 sales).
She doesn't have any lenses, so she's not committed to any particular
system, but she would prefer Nikon, because she has nearby friends that
she can borrow lenses from when needed. Unfortunately, Nikon's offerings
in the sub-$1000 price range are not very good.
I saw the Nikon D700 announcement, but I wonder if Nikon will come up
with some consumer models in the sub-$1000 (preferably sub-$800) price
range that compete with Canon's offerings in that range. They now have
nothing between the D80 and the D300.
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
news:Lmsak.674$zv7.53@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
>............................................ I saw the Nikon D700
>announcement, but I wonder if Nikon will come up with some consumer models
>in the sub-$1000 (preferably sub-$800) price range that compete with
>Canon's offerings in that range. They now have nothing between the D80 and
>the D300.
On Jul 1, 4:49 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> My sister-in-law finally has given up on P&S due to their shutter lag.
> She asked me for help in choosing a D-SLR with the following criteria:
>
> No-Compromise
>
> 1. <= $1000 for body
> 2. Minimum of 10 megapixels
> 3. Not too heavy (800 grams or less)
> 4. Wireless remote
> 5. CMOS sensor (she doesn't really care about the sensor type, but needs
> low noise at high-ISO)
>
> Preferred
>
> 1. Live View (I know, only a few models have this)
> 2. 3" LCD
> 3. 12 megapixels
>
> I suggested the D80, but she didn't like the reviews that talk about the
> noise levels at high ISO, and it has none of her "preferred" criteria.
>
> The only thing I could find that comes close is the Canon Rebel XSi,
> which is about $725. I'm really uneasy about the consumer grade Canon
> models though. I was hoping that Canon would release an upgrade to the
> 40D with 12 megapixels and LiveView soon since it's almost a year since
> the 40D came out, and price it at around $1000, or that Nikon would
> upgrade the D80 with a 12 megapixel sensor, 3" LCD, and live view, kind
> of a lower end D300 (which I guess they wouldn't want to do because it
> might hurt D300 sales).
>
> She doesn't have any lenses, so she's not committed to any particular
> system, but she would prefer Nikon, because she has nearby friends that
> she can borrow lenses from when needed. Unfortunately, Nikon's offerings
> in the sub-$1000 price range are not very good.
>
> I saw the Nikon D700 announcement, but I wonder if Nikon will come up
> with some consumer models in the sub-$1000 (preferably sub-$800) price
> range that compete with Canon's offerings in that range. They now have
> nothing between the D80 and the D300.
Actually I find the D40X (now D60) to be really really good - I don't
think your sister should discount them quickly and she might be able
to get an extra lens or two with the change?
The only D90 specs I saw were at "http://yourphotoarchive.com/laugh.htm".
I saw speculation that it would have live view and a 3.0" LCD and a 12
megapixel sensor at
"http://www.gadgetell.com/tech/comment/rumored-nikon-d90/" which makes
sense given that Canon is already there.
On Jul 1, 4:49 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> My sister-in-law finally has given up on P&S due to their shutter lag.
> She asked me for help in choosing a D-SLR with the following criteria:
>
> No-Compromise
>
> 1. <= $1000 for body
> 2. Minimum of 10 megapixels
> 3. Not too heavy (800 grams or less)
> 4. Wireless remote
> 5. CMOS sensor (she doesn't really care about the sensor type, but needs
> low noise at high-ISO)
>
> Preferred
>
> 1. Live View (I know, only a few models have this)
> 2. 3" LCD
> 3. 12 megapixels
>
> I suggested the D80, but she didn't like the reviews that talk about the
> noise levels at high ISO, and it has none of her "preferred" criteria.
>
> The only thing I could find that comes close is the Canon Rebel XSi,
> which is about $725. I'm really uneasy about the consumer grade Canon
> models though. I was hoping that Canon would release an upgrade to the
> 40D with 12 megapixels and LiveView soon since it's almost a year since
> the 40D came out, and price it at around $1000, or that Nikon would
> upgrade the D80 with a 12 megapixel sensor, 3" LCD, and live view, kind
> of a lower end D300 (which I guess they wouldn't want to do because it
> might hurt D300 sales).
>
> She doesn't have any lenses, so she's not committed to any particular
> system, but she would prefer Nikon, because she has nearby friends that
> she can borrow lenses from when needed. Unfortunately, Nikon's offerings
> in the sub-$1000 price range are not very good.
>
> I saw the Nikon D700 announcement, but I wonder if Nikon will come up
> with some consumer models in the sub-$1000 (preferably sub-$800) price
> range that compete with Canon's offerings in that range. They now have
> nothing between the D80 and the D300.
Sorry, forgot to add that Pentax K200D might fit the bill or even the
K20D (14mp) or it's almost identical Samsung sister GX20.
In article <Lmsak.674$zv7.53@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> or that Nikon would
> upgrade the D80 with a 12 megapixel sensor, 3" LCD, and live view, kind
> of a lower end D300 (which I guess they wouldn't want to do because it
> might hurt D300 sales).
nonsense. the d80 was basically a d200-lite, and it didn't seem to
have an adverse effect on the d200. the d80 replacement is expected to
be a d300-lite.
> She doesn't have any lenses, so she's not committed to any particular
> system, but she would prefer Nikon, because she has nearby friends that
> she can borrow lenses from when needed. Unfortunately, Nikon's offerings
> in the sub-$1000 price range are not very good.
they're actually very good cameras. plus, the d80 you suggested is
less than $1000.
> I saw the Nikon D700 announcement, but I wonder if Nikon will come up
> with some consumer models in the sub-$1000 (preferably sub-$800) price
> range that compete with Canon's offerings in that range. They now have
> nothing between the D80 and the D300.
nospam wrote:
> In article <Lmsak.674$zv7.53@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> or that Nikon would
>> upgrade the D80 with a 12 megapixel sensor, 3" LCD, and live view, kind
>> of a lower end D300 (which I guess they wouldn't want to do because it
>> might hurt D300 sales).
>
> nonsense. the d80 was basically a d200-lite, and it didn't seem to
> have an adverse effect on the d200. the d80 replacement is expected to
> be a d300-lite.
Very different situation. The D300 and D3 are awesome cameras, and the
D700 looks like it will be a 5D killer (at least until Canon replaces
the 5D).
The D200 was basically a placeholder until Nikon could catch up in terms
of CMOS sensors with Canon. Now they're there except at the very high
end (they have no model to compete with the EOS-1Ds Mark III).
I'm sure that a D80 replacement with a 12 megapixel CMOS sensor and Live
View is coming very soon, and that's what she'll wait for, at least for
a couple of months. It should blow the pants off the Canon XSi.
In article <Bhvak.3210$np7.1451@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> or that Nikon would
> >> upgrade the D80 with a 12 megapixel sensor, 3" LCD, and live view, kind
> >> of a lower end D300 (which I guess they wouldn't want to do because it
> >> might hurt D300 sales).
> >
> > nonsense. the d80 was basically a d200-lite, and it didn't seem to
> > have an adverse effect on the d200. the d80 replacement is expected to
> > be a d300-lite.
>
> Very different situation. The D300 and D3 are awesome cameras, and the
> D700 looks like it will be a 5D killer (at least until Canon replaces
> the 5D).
it's exactly the same situation. the d80 (and presumably it's
replacement) are 'lite' versions (defeatured, as you like to call it)
of the d200 and d300. in fact, the d700 is basically a d3-lite.
> The D200 was basically a placeholder until Nikon could catch up in terms
> of CMOS sensors with Canon. Now they're there except at the very high
> end (they have no model to compete with the EOS-1Ds Mark III).
nonsense. the d200 was (and still is) an excellent camera. and the
d3x (or whatever its name will be) is expected soon.
> I'm sure that a D80 replacement with a 12 megapixel CMOS sensor and Live
> View is coming very soon, and that's what she'll wait for, at least for
> a couple of months. It should blow the pants off the Canon XSi.
A new full-frame camera needs to have the same pixel density
as the common crop-frame ones, say a minimum of 9 megapixels for
a 1.6 crop camera, 12 being optimal.
Lesseee here: 1.6^2 = 2.56
2.56*9 = 23 megapixels
2.56*12 = 30.7 megapixels.
I'm looking for that 23 megapixel camera. The 30.7 one is getting
a bit difficult to get corner-is-sharp glass for, except
teles.
Any new Nikon lower-end D-SLRs coming? 
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