On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:47:00 -0800, Paul Allen wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:39:25 -0700
> ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:10:36 -0800, Paul Allen wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:03:47 -0700
>> > ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:10:35 +0000, Paulie wrote:
>> >
>> >> > 1) What camera brand to avoid?
>> >>
>> >> [...] Personally, I avoid canon because of their
>> >> total lack of Linux support
>> >
>> > Really? I wasn't aware that Canon was any worse than the rest
>> > in this regard. Would you care to elaborate?
>>
>> Epson and HP support is quite good - e.g. avasys.jp/english carries
>> the 'iscan' software for Linux for using Epson scanners. Most HP
>> printers do some form of PCL and work very well with Linux. I also
>> have a Brother laser printer which works well.
>
> Silly me. I thought the subject was cameras. Do you avoid Canon
> cameras because they don't care if they sell printers or scanners
> to Linux users? That seems counterproductive.
To you it may seem counterproductive. To me, it is my form of protest - I
won't consider anything Canon until they start supporting Linux. There are
plenty of other alternatives, and it's my money.
>
>> >> and I avoid Fuji for past business
>> >> practices. [...]
>> >
>> > I avoided them this last time around because they just seemed
>> > a bit strange. All of the camera makers seem to be in bed with
>> > the Microsoft monopoly. Has Fuji done something worse than that?
>> > :-)
>>
>> There were reports several years ago that they would not allow any
>> Japanese store which handled Kodak supplies to handle any of their
>> equipment - is that bad enough?
>
> Bad enough. Has Japan not got anti-trust laws? Oh, I forgot.
I don't believe they do. I also recall several years ago when 'fol-boat'
tried to get into the Japanese market. They were required to prove that
their boats would survive impact tests which the locally produced boats
did not have to meet - simply to keep them out of the market.
> Microsoft tried similar anti-competitive stuff in the US, and Bush
> mostly let them off the hook. I guess we don't have anti-trust
> laws either. :-)
We have them, it's just harder than hell to get them enforced. And IMHO
that still does not let Fuji off the hook, and I don't buy MS either.
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:26:54 -0700
ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:47:00 -0800, Paul Allen wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:39:25 -0700
> > ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:10:36 -0800, Paul Allen wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:03:47 -0700
> >> > ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:10:35 +0000, Paulie wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > 1) What camera brand to avoid?
> >> >>
> >> >> [...] Personally, I avoid canon because of their
> >> >> total lack of Linux support
> >> >
> >> > Really? I wasn't aware that Canon was any worse than the rest
> >> > in this regard. Would you care to elaborate?
> >>
> >> Epson and HP support is quite good - e.g. avasys.jp/english carries
> >> the 'iscan' software for Linux for using Epson scanners. Most HP
> >> printers do some form of PCL and work very well with Linux. I also
> >> have a Brother laser printer which works well.
> >
> > Silly me. I thought the subject was cameras. Do you avoid Canon
> > cameras because they don't care if they sell printers or scanners
> > to Linux users? That seems counterproductive.
>
> To you it may seem counterproductive. To me, it is my form of protest
> - I won't consider anything Canon until they start supporting Linux.
> There are plenty of other alternatives, and it's my money.
Yes, it is your money, and your choice does not have to be rationally
defensible. My money buys things that work as well as possible, as far
as I can determine. That leaves out most Canon printers and scanners.
The last time I was looking, Canon cameras got left out because better
optics were available elsewhere in the super zoom category.
> >> >> and I avoid Fuji for past business
> >> >> practices. [...]
> >> >
> >> > I avoided them this last time around because they just seemed
> >> > a bit strange. All of the camera makers seem to be in bed with
> >> > the Microsoft monopoly. Has Fuji done something worse than that?
> >> > :-)
> >>
> >> There were reports several years ago that they would not allow any
> >> Japanese store which handled Kodak supplies to handle any of their
> >> equipment - is that bad enough?
> >
> > Bad enough. Has Japan not got anti-trust laws? Oh, I forgot.
>
> I don't believe they do. I also recall several years ago when
> 'fol-boat' tried to get into the Japanese market. They were required
> to prove that their boats would survive impact tests which the
> locally produced boats did not have to meet - simply to keep them out
> of the market.
>
> > Microsoft tried similar anti-competitive stuff in the US, and Bush
> > mostly let them off the hook. I guess we don't have anti-trust
> > laws either. :-)
>
> We have them, it's just harder than hell to get them enforced. And
> IMHO that still does not let Fuji off the hook, and I don't buy MS
> either.
Well, Microsoft *is* the enemy world-wide. It is rational to oppose
them. Fuji may exploit protectionism in their home market, but I see
the B&H catalog has Kodak and Fuji stuff side by side. Seems to me
that the problem is the laws in Japan rather than Fuji in particular.
But, it is your money. I haven't bought Fuji either, but my reasons
were technical.
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