Vista is fine. I prefer it over XP. Especially good with digital photos.
Plus its security features will help keep your parents out of trouble.
Just get 2gbs of RAM or more and they will be happy.
<void.no.spam.com@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've been doing some more reading, and now wonder if my parents should
> get XP or Vista for their new computer.
>
> Is Vista really that bad?
>
> XP is what, 7 years old now? In a few years, some software developers
> won't support XP anymore. (I have a Windows 2000 PC, and noticed that
> Apple recently stopped supporting Win2K for their QuickTime product.)
> So that would be a reason to get Vista.
>
> Also, does the 32-bit version of Vista support ALL 32-bit apps and
> drivers? Just wondering if the Orinoco Gold wireless adapter in my
> parents' current computer will work with Vista.
"Bob Levine" <fake@fake.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Christopher Muto wrote:
>> "Bob Levine" <fake@fake.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:NcuRj.1107$Bd1.1090@trndny09...
>>> Christopher Muto wrote:
>>>
>>>> bob, so what are you saying, you recommend vista over xp? can you tell
>>>> us why? thanks.
>>> What I'm saying is that I don't NOT recommend it.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> i suppose you also don't not recommend xp?
>> so, to answer the op's question, what would you recommend?
>
> Go back and read my original response.
>
> Bob
you mean the one where you do not recommend vista on a 'budget' machine.
got it. but that seems a little bit like you actually not recomending it
(rather than not not recommending it).
On Apr 28, 8:01 pm, "Christopher Muto" <m...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> <void.no.spam....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cf5f60cb-f09c-45b1-904b-dae8c27d1e49@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I've been doing some more reading, and now wonder if my parents should
> > get XP or Vista for their new computer.
>
> > Is Vista really that bad?
>
> if you didn't think so you probaly would not need to ask.
I don't know what to think since I've never used Vista.
> > XP is what, 7 years old now?
>
> xp was first released in october 2001, so it is 5.5 years old.
>
> > In a few years, some software developers
> > won't support XP anymore.
>
> and you will want a new computer in a few years, won't you?
This computer will be for my parents, who have used their current
Win98 computer for 8 years, so I would not be surprised if they try to
use the new computer from now until 2015.
> >(I have a Windows 2000 PC, and noticed that
> > Apple recently stopped supporting Win2K for their QuickTime product.)
> > So that would be a reason to get Vista.
>
> how are these things realted? are you asking if you should buy vista
> becuase quicktime stoped suporting windows 2000?
Windows 2000 was first available on March 31, 2000, so that means it
took about 8 years for developers to begin to stop supporting it. If
Windows XP follows the same timeline, then it will be late 2009 when
developers begin to stop supporting it (since it was released Dec 31,
2001). I think my parents will be really annoyed if they buy a
computer with XP now, and then in 2 years, find out they need to
upgrade the OS.
> > Also, does the 32-bit version of Vista support ALL 32-bit apps and
> > drivers? Just wondering if the Orinoco Gold wireless adapter in my
> > parents' current computer will work with Vista.
>
> sadly it lacks lots of support for older hardware, even after being in the
> wild for as long as it has... you better find the exact model wireless
> adapter you are talking about and look it up on the manufacturers site for
> compaibility if that is a deciding factor for you.
It is an Orinoco Gold Classic 802.11b adapter. Proxim owns the
Orinoco brand, and they say nothing on their web site - I don't think
they have supported the card in years. I'll have to assume it won't
work with Vista.
Proxim Orinoco cards were once the gold standard of 802.11b wifi. But Intel and
Broadcom have pretty much overrun the market for wireless cards inside laptops,
and the many inexpensive consumer wifi cards (Linksys, D-Link, Netgear,
TrendNet, etc) have taken care of desktop wifi.
Why can't your parents' new computer be connected directly via an Ethernet cable
to whatever they use for an internet service provider, either cable internet or
DSL? Wired Ethernet is more reliable and more secure than wifi.
>On Apr 28, 8:01 pm, "Christopher Muto" <m...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> <void.no.spam....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cf5f60cb-f09c-45b1-904b-dae8c27d1e49@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > I've been doing some more reading, and now wonder if my parents should
>> > get XP or Vista for their new computer.
>>
>> > Is Vista really that bad?
>>
>> if you didn't think so you probaly would not need to ask.
>
>I don't know what to think since I've never used Vista.
>
>
>> > XP is what, 7 years old now?
>>
>> xp was first released in october 2001, so it is 5.5 years old.
>>
>> > In a few years, some software developers
>> > won't support XP anymore.
>>
>> and you will want a new computer in a few years, won't you?
>
>This computer will be for my parents, who have used their current
>Win98 computer for 8 years, so I would not be surprised if they try to
>use the new computer from now until 2015.
>
>
>> >(I have a Windows 2000 PC, and noticed that
>> > Apple recently stopped supporting Win2K for their QuickTime product.)
>> > So that would be a reason to get Vista.
>>
>> how are these things realted? are you asking if you should buy vista
>> becuase quicktime stoped suporting windows 2000?
>
>Windows 2000 was first available on March 31, 2000, so that means it
>took about 8 years for developers to begin to stop supporting it. If
>Windows XP follows the same timeline, then it will be late 2009 when
>developers begin to stop supporting it (since it was released Dec 31,
>2001). I think my parents will be really annoyed if they buy a
>computer with XP now, and then in 2 years, find out they need to
>upgrade the OS.
>
>
>> > Also, does the 32-bit version of Vista support ALL 32-bit apps and
>> > drivers? Just wondering if the Orinoco Gold wireless adapter in my
>> > parents' current computer will work with Vista.
>>
>> sadly it lacks lots of support for older hardware, even after being in the
>> wild for as long as it has... you better find the exact model wireless
>> adapter you are talking about and look it up on the manufacturers site for
>> compaibility if that is a deciding factor for you.
>
>It is an Orinoco Gold Classic 802.11b adapter. Proxim owns the
>Orinoco brand, and they say nothing on their web site - I don't think
>they have supported the card in years. I'll have to assume it won't
>work with Vista.
> I think my parents will be really annoyed if they buy a
> computer with XP now, and then in 2 years, find out they need to
> upgrade the OS.
Vista has been that much of a dead duck, than even Microsoft are bad-
mouthing it, and Bill Gates is talking about releasing Windows 7 next
year to try to recover the situation.
So, if support for XP does stop in 2 years, the odds are, the
replacement for vista will already be with us - hopefully without any
of the DRM bull**** that makes it as bad as it is.
You might notice just how recent these news links are...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colin Wilson
> [mailto:REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTnewsgroup@phoenixbbsZERO SPAM.co.uk]
> Posted At: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:33 AM
> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
> Conversation: Windows XP or Vista?
> Subject: Re: Windows XP or Vista?
>
> > I think my parents will be really annoyed if they buy a
> > computer with XP now, and then in 2 years, find out they need to
> > upgrade the OS.
>
> Vista has been that much of a dead duck, than even Microsoft are bad-
> mouthing it, and Bill Gates is talking about releasing Windows 7 next
> year to try to recover the situation.
>
> So, if support for XP does stop in 2 years, the odds are, the
> replacement for vista will already be with us - hopefully without any
> of the DRM bull**** that makes it as bad as it is.
>
> You might notice just how recent these news links are...
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04...stomer_demand/
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04...ta_incomplete/
> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200...tes_windows_7/
Microsoft is on the DRM train, but they're not the engine (OK, that was
bad).
void.no.spam.com@gmail.com wrote:
> I've been doing some more reading, and now wonder if my parents should
> get XP or Vista for their new computer.
>
> Is Vista really that bad?
>
> XP is what, 7 years old now? In a few years, some software developers
> won't support XP anymore. (I have a Windows 2000 PC, and noticed that
> Apple recently stopped supporting Win2K for their QuickTime product.)
> So that would be a reason to get Vista.
>
> Also, does the 32-bit version of Vista support ALL 32-bit apps and
> drivers? Just wondering if the Orinoco Gold wireless adapter in my
> parents' current computer will work with Vista.
I wouldn't say that Vista is that bad, it's more like it's "not that good".
First off, you need to understand that most of the reaction to Vista is
word for word what we heard about XP when it came out.
I would say that if you get 2 GB of RAM and a decent NVidia card, go
with Vista.
You need to verify with the vendor whether there are drivers for the
Orinco card.
Also, be aware that you will not be able to get XP after June 30, 2008.
OEM's will not be able to provide it on their machines.
--
Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:31:34 -0400, Ben Myers
<ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote:
>Proxim Orinoco cards were once the gold standard of 802.11b wifi. But Intel and
>Broadcom have pretty much overrun the market for wireless cards inside laptops,
>and the many inexpensive consumer wifi cards (Linksys, D-Link, Netgear,
>TrendNet, etc) have taken care of desktop wifi.
>
>Why can't your parents' new computer be connected directly via an Ethernet cable
>to whatever they use for an internet service provider, either cable internet or
>DSL? Wired Ethernet is more reliable and more secure than wifi.
>
>... Ben Myers
>
More reliable??? I've had wireless for a LONG time now and it is
very reliable. I'm not too sure about the secure part either but I
know wireless is vulnerable. Otherwise I think your advice is solid
here.
And yes, I remember too when the Gold cards were the more or less
elite cards in their day. They were highly praised then. If they
work with XP (I dunno), it might be worth trying with Vista but no
guarantees of course.
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:32:35 +0100, Colin Wilson
<REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTnewsgroup@phoenixbbsZEROSPAM.c o.uk> wrote:
>> I think my parents will be really annoyed if they buy a
>> computer with XP now, and then in 2 years, find out they need to
>> upgrade the OS.
>
>Vista has been that much of a dead duck, than even Microsoft are bad-
>mouthing it, and Bill Gates is talking about releasing Windows 7 next
>year to try to recover the situation.
>
>So, if support for XP does stop in 2 years, the odds are, the
>replacement for vista will already be with us - hopefully without any
>of the DRM bull**** that makes it as bad as it is.
>
>You might notice just how recent these news links are...
>
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04...stomer_demand/
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04...ta_incomplete/
>http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200...tes_windows_7/
Exactly Colin. My point exactly in a previous post but I guess he
didn't agree with me???
I think people are making too much outa this XP support thing. I
might see how it could affect corporations but for home use???? I
guess if you are a computer illiterate then okay. And do people
really think because they can't patch the **** software it will fall
apart or be insecure.... LOL . I rarely patch / update mine and
prefer it that way. And as far as 3rd party software... well if it
works now with XP, it will work later too. Some people rarely upgrade
their 3rd party software because they say it works so leave it alone.
Of course this is a judgement call on the part of the user but my
point is that I don't think you have to worry necessarily about 3rd
party software especially if it works now with XP at least till
windows 7 comes along if they want to upgrade then.
My best advice is "Reading" is the best medicine for support and
security not MS.
Christopher Muto wrote:
> "Bob Levine" <fake@fake.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4UuRj.215$1m3.108@trndny02...
>> Christopher Muto wrote:
>>> "Bob Levine" <fake@fake.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:NcuRj.1107$Bd1.1090@trndny09...
>>>> Christopher Muto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> bob, so what are you saying, you recommend vista over xp? can you tell
>>>>> us why? thanks.
>>>> What I'm saying is that I don't NOT recommend it.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>> i suppose you also don't not recommend xp?
>>> so, to answer the op's question, what would you recommend?
>> Go back and read my original response.
>>
>> Bob
>
> you mean the one where you do not recommend vista on a 'budget' machine.
> got it. but that seems a little bit like you actually not recomending it
> (rather than not not recommending it).
>
>
Here's the thing. None of us can tell him what's right for him. My main
point has been that most of the negativity surrounding Vista is coming
from people that have never tried it or have tried to run it on budget
systems.
On capable hardware there's nothing wrong with it. And that's from real
experience trying it both ways.
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