On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:23:06 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:
>RnR wrote:
>> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>> now flooding Microsoft about it.
>
>If this is an online article, please post a link; I'd like to read it.
>Thx.
>
Google on "windows 7 upgrade problems" and you can see more. I also
read that some window 7 workarounds are illegal per MS. I'd rather
not give that reference because I might give some people ideas how to
sorta pirate windows 7. It's not my business if they pirate but I
don't want to teach them how to.
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:36:05 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>In news:b54me5lm5e25brm9p4lmd8d3ujuirhl608@4ax.com,
>RnR typed on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500:
>> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>> now flooding Microsoft about it.
>
>Hmm... I like to say I keep up with these things, but I haven't heard
>this before. Interesting.
>
>> Of course I can't say if all the complaints are really MS's fault but
>> the point is that the upgrade path may have bugs or difficulties.
>> Another way to look at it is that the other 1/3 have had no problem.
>> My point is just be aware of this.
>>
>> On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
>> windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
>
>I don't understand this? Vista and Windows 7 are very similar. IMHO, if
>you like Vista, you would likely like Windows 7. Although if you don't
>like Vista, you may not like Windows 7.
>
>> Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
>> have been testing it a little off and on.
>
>I am running two evaluation versions (one on the netbook) and preordered
>two copies of 'Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade' back in July.
>Now I regret it as they are just sitting on the shelf unopened. <sigh>
I think ??? the reason they said a big step up from Vista was the
compatibility, stability and speed enhancements. I don't recall them
telling the exact reason so this is my best guess for now till I can
re-read that article.
Bill, how come you aren't opening the pkgs ? How do you like win 7
on the netbook so far?
"RnR" <rnrtexas@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:23:06 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:
>
>>RnR wrote:
>>> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>>> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>>> now flooding Microsoft about it.
>>
>>If this is an online article, please post a link; I'd like to read it.
>>Thx.
>>
>
>
> Well I read several articles / newsletters more or less saying the
> same thing early this morning but here's one that talks about the
> upgrade woes....
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/17434..._problems.html
>
> Google on "windows 7 upgrade problems" and you can see more. I also
> read that some window 7 workarounds are illegal per MS. I'd rather
> not give that reference because I might give some people ideas how to
> sorta pirate windows 7. It's not my business if they pirate but I
> don't want to teach them how to.
My experience is that operating system upgrades are a disaster waiting to
happen. That said, I've installed Win 7 on two machines, my desktop which I
used OEM Win 7 Ultimate 64 and my MacBook which used a Win 7 Home Premium 32
upgrade.
I had some issues on the MacBook until I found out that a) there were Boot
Camp permission issues that were keeping the installer from copying setup
files to the harddrive and b) the upgrade disks don't seem to require
verification of an earlier version.
The desktop install took all of 16 minutes from start to finish. No need for
drivers or any of that other stuff. It was ready to go.
The MacBook went just fine after I uninstalled the Boot Camp services. I did
a clean upgrade install where Windows packages the old installation in a
windows.old folder. This of course took longer than the clean install on the
desktop but went off without a hitch. I did this BEFORE I found out I could
install it without the earlier version on the drive.
Both machines activated without a hitch. Vista drivers work for my scanner
and my Dell 3100 printer had drivers for the postscript side of things which
was good since Dell only had PCL drivers.
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:30:38 -0400, "Bob Levine" <invalid@invalid.com>
wrote:
>
>
>"RnR" <rnrtexas@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:22hme5t03ojl7u2v391r8mk4b4hol6j5lq@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:23:06 -0400, "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>>RnR wrote:
>>>> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>>>> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>>>> now flooding Microsoft about it.
>>>
>>>If this is an online article, please post a link; I'd like to read it.
>>>Thx.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well I read several articles / newsletters more or less saying the
>> same thing early this morning but here's one that talks about the
>> upgrade woes....
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/17434..._problems.html
>>
>> Google on "windows 7 upgrade problems" and you can see more. I also
>> read that some window 7 workarounds are illegal per MS. I'd rather
>> not give that reference because I might give some people ideas how to
>> sorta pirate windows 7. It's not my business if they pirate but I
>> don't want to teach them how to.
>
>My experience is that operating system upgrades are a disaster waiting to
>happen. That said, I've installed Win 7 on two machines, my desktop which I
>used OEM Win 7 Ultimate 64 and my MacBook which used a Win 7 Home Premium 32
>upgrade.
>
>I had some issues on the MacBook until I found out that a) there were Boot
>Camp permission issues that were keeping the installer from copying setup
>files to the harddrive and b) the upgrade disks don't seem to require
>verification of an earlier version.
>
>The desktop install took all of 16 minutes from start to finish. No need for
>drivers or any of that other stuff. It was ready to go.
>
>The MacBook went just fine after I uninstalled the Boot Camp services. I did
>a clean upgrade install where Windows packages the old installation in a
>windows.old folder. This of course took longer than the clean install on the
>desktop but went off without a hitch. I did this BEFORE I found out I could
>install it without the earlier version on the drive.
>
>Both machines activated without a hitch. Vista drivers work for my scanner
>and my Dell 3100 printer had drivers for the postscript side of things which
>was good since Dell only had PCL drivers.
>
>Overall, I'm enjoying Windows 7.
>
>Bob
Thanks Bob for your input and experiences with win 7. Just curious,
anything in particular that you like about win 7 and what OS were you
using prior?
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500, "RnR" <rnrtexas@gmail.com> wrote:
>For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
>complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
>path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
>that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
>this.
There are no problems with the upgrade unless you are actually using
the upgrade and not the clean install. Even then there are few issues.
A clean install is the way to go and you can easily just copy the
Application Data from .windows old directly into the new installation.
>
>On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
>windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
>Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
>have been testing it a little off and on.
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:10:37 -0500, "RnR" <rnrtexas@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:36:05 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
>
>>In news:b54me5lm5e25brm9p4lmd8d3ujuirhl608@4ax.com,
>>RnR typed on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500:
>>> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>>> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>>> now flooding Microsoft about it.
>>
>>Hmm... I like to say I keep up with these things, but I haven't heard
>>this before. Interesting.
>>
>>> Of course I can't say if all the complaints are really MS's fault but
>>> the point is that the upgrade path may have bugs or difficulties.
>>> Another way to look at it is that the other 1/3 have had no problem.
>>> My point is just be aware of this.
>>>
>>> On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
>>> windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
>>
>>I don't understand this? Vista and Windows 7 are very similar. IMHO, if
>>you like Vista, you would likely like Windows 7. Although if you don't
>>like Vista, you may not like Windows 7.
>>
>>> Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
>>> have been testing it a little off and on.
>>
>>I am running two evaluation versions (one on the netbook) and preordered
>>two copies of 'Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade' back in July.
>>Now I regret it as they are just sitting on the shelf unopened. <sigh>
>
>
>I think ??? the reason they said a big step up from Vista was the
>compatibility, stability and speed enhancements. I don't recall them
>telling the exact reason so this is my best guess for now till I can
>re-read that article.
>
>Bill, how come you aren't opening the pkgs ? How do you like win 7
>on the netbook so far?
Compatibility, stability is exactly the same as Vista. There are some
speed improvements however and some improved desktop functionality.
"RnR" <rnrtexas@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:30:38 -0400, "Bob Levine" <invalid@invalid.com>
> wrote:
> Thanks Bob for your input and experiences with win 7. Just curious,
> anything in particular that you like about win 7 and what OS were you
> using prior?
Moving from Vista Ultimate 64 desktop and Vista Home Premium 32 on MacBook
via Boot Camp.
In no particular order:
Home group and libraries make sharing a snap.
Networking improved.
UI improvements such as the snap feature, pin to task bar, aero shake (I
admit some people may hate that one) rollover previews.
Less intrusive UAC.
Quicker boot, smaller footprint and piece of cake installation.
If it worked in Vista, it will work (probably better) in Win 7 including
most drivers. On the other side of the coin, if you have a Celeron with less
than a gig of RAM stick with XP.
In short, it is, IMO, a very polished operating system. It's what Vista
should have been.
I have never moved to a new operating system before it was a year old until
this one. AFAIC, it's ready. There's no need to wait.
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:03:09 -0500, totfit <totfit@NOSPAMnewsguy.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500, "RnR" <rnrtexas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>>windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>>now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
>>complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
>>path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
>>that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
>>this.
>
>There are no problems with the upgrade unless you are actually using
>the upgrade and not the clean install. Even then there are few issues.
>A clean install is the way to go and you can easily just copy the
>Application Data from .windows old directly into the new installation.
>>
>>On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
>>windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
>>Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
>>have been testing it a little off and on.
>
>Just the opposite.
I agree with you.... I always prefer a clean install. I think I once
upgraded an OS and it was a bad experience. I know and prefer a clean
install.
I'll have to re-read that technician's newsletter but I think I got it
right what they said. I don't think they thought much of vista.
RnR wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:03:09 -0500, totfit <totfit@NOSPAMnewsguy.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:26:11 -0500, "RnR" <rnrtexas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> For what it's worth, I read this morning about 2/3 of people using
>>> windows 7 upgrade are having difficulties and a lot of complaints are
>>> now flooding Microsoft about it. Of course I can't say if all the
>>> complaints are really MS's fault but the point is that the upgrade
>>> path may have bugs or difficulties. Another way to look at it is
>>> that the other 1/3 have had no problem. My point is just be aware of
>>> this.
>> There are no problems with the upgrade unless you are actually using
>> the upgrade and not the clean install. Even then there are few issues.
>> A clean install is the way to go and you can easily just copy the
>> Application Data from .windows old directly into the new installation.
>>> On a side topic, from what I read on a technician's newsletter,
>>> windows 7 isn't really a big step up from xp but it is for vista.
>>> Personally I'll wait a bit before I run windows 7 as my main OS tho I
>>> have been testing it a little off and on.
>> Just the opposite.
>
>
> I agree with you.... I always prefer a clean install. I think I once
> upgraded an OS and it was a bad experience. I know and prefer a clean
> install.
>
> I'll have to re-read that technician's newsletter but I think I got it
> right what they said. I don't think they thought much of vista.
For Microsoft, "Upgrade" version has always been a misnomer. As with
Win 7, the best approach with the upgrade version is a clean install.
Then why call it "upgrade"? Doing so allows Microsoft to undercut its
own tightly controlled list price for the non-upgrade version, and this
helps them sell lots of copies to unwitting owners. Unwitting, because
they get conned into actually trying to upgrade on top of their
previously installed OS. When people run into problems, Microsoft
effectively turns a deaf ear, providing little or no support, unless you
want to pay so-many dollars a minute to their paid support line... Ben Myers
BK wrote:
> No Problem and thanks again for your help
> Brian
> "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
> news:JMKdna5Fa93irXbXnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@cavtel.net.. .
>> Brian, I can't help you out. I was answering Tom with regard to
>> whether or not an Upgrade license is transferrable. As long as it is
>> the standard *Retail* version like the one listed here:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116714
>>
>> ... then, yes, it is transferrable.
>>
>> But I doubt Toshiba would ship out a Retail Upgrade DVD for Windows 7
>> Professional for only 30 pounds! I would imagine it is a unique OEM
>> disk that most likely wouldn't work with your Dell. And I would
>> imagine the license would be for installation on that particular
>> Toshiba, anyway. In the event you ever do wish to upgrade to Windows
>> 7, I would
>> strongly urge that you make an image of your hard drive the way it
>> is -- just in case you decide to revert to your old system with XP.
>>
>>
>> BK wrote:
>>> Thanks Dave for your reply
>>> I installed Vista business on this Toshiba pc, there was a leaflet
>>> with it stating that a windows 7 professional upgrade was available
>>> for a very reduced price.(30GBP)
>>> My son isnt interested about the upgrade and suggested I use it.
>>> I was checking that it would work on a vista home premium Dell pc.
>>> Regards
>>> BK
>>> regards
>>> Brian
>>> "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
>>> news:j8qdnbarjMseaHfXnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@cavtel.net.. .
>>>> Depends on the Upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> Typically, Upgrades are Retail and are therefore transferrable. (If
>>>> an OEM has a special offer and sends out an OEM DVD for Windows 7,
>>>> then this type of "upgrade" would be non-transferrable.) What is
>>>> not transferrable is the qualifying OS in the event it is an OEM
>>>> license. But if you have another PC that has a qualifying OS (OEM
>>>> or Retail
>>>> -- it doesn't matter), then the Upgrade license (which is Retail)
>>>> *does* permit transferring -- as long as Windows 7 is removed from
>>>> the other PC. Just read the EULA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Scales wrote:
>>>>> There are two answers to your question.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Will it work, probably
>>>>> 2) Is it legal? No.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't move an upgrade from one machine to another. It is
>>>>> licensed to the machine that it is upgrading.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BK [mailto:brian@kellyb.freeserve.co.uk]
>>>>> Posted At: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:41 PM
>>>>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
>>>>> Conversation: Windows 7
>>>>> Subject: Windows 7
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All I have the opportunity to get windows 7 pro at a very cheap
>>>>> legit
>>>>>
>>>>> price .
>>>>> (My son owns a company that has just bought a new laptop with a 7
>>>>> upgrade
>>>>> from vista but he doesn't want the upgrade)
>>>>> It is a Toshiba Laptop that he bought so the question is .....
>>>>> Will the
>>>>> upgrade run on a dell Inspiron 1720 running Vista ? or is it only
>>>>> for Toshiba . Apologies if it is a daft question but I don't want
>>>>> to waste my
>>>>> money.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> BK
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