I turned off Vista Aero on my Vista systems because I really don't
think it improves my "computing experience" at all.
In fact, it kind of annoys me.
Can someone please explain what is so good about it? The transparency
effect provides absolutely no value to me.
It's a shame that MS spent so much time and energy on "eye candy" and
the 3-D switching when there are so many other things they could have
done to improve the user interface.
I think you've got it right. Eye candy. Sizzle, but no steak... Ben Myers
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:27:31 -0500, Journey <usenet@merr.com> wrote:
>I turned off Vista Aero on my Vista systems because I really don't
>think it improves my "computing experience" at all.
>
>In fact, it kind of annoys me.
>
>Can someone please explain what is so good about it? The transparency
>effect provides absolutely no value to me.
>
>It's a shame that MS spent so much time and energy on "eye candy" and
>the 3-D switching when there are so many other things they could have
>done to improve the user interface.
Like a lot of features in all products.
Some like it, some have no need.
Similar to extra features in phone services, automobiles and just
about every product imaginable.
If the extra cost only brings features you do not need, save your $.
"Journey" <usenet@merr.com> wrote in message
news:g15cb3hqcq7pub3g6j2d35hqis0vonmk17@4ax.com...
>I turned off Vista Aero on my Vista systems because I really don't
> think it improves my "computing experience" at all.
>
> In fact, it kind of annoys me.
>
> Can someone please explain what is so good about it? The
> transparency
> effect provides absolutely no value to me.
>
> It's a shame that MS spent so much time and energy on "eye candy"
> and
> the 3-D switching when there are so many other things they could
> have
> done to improve the user interface.
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:00:52 GMT, "Jupiter Jones"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>Like a lot of features in all products.
>Some like it, some have no need.
>Similar to extra features in phone services, automobiles and just
>about every product imaginable.
>
>If the extra cost only brings features you do not need, save your $.
I agree with you but I think Journey wants examples where it might
actually be needed. If I'm wrong, I'll let him reply to this....
> I think you've got it right. Eye candy. Sizzle, but no steak...
I played with the full-hit eye-candy options in Ubuntu the other day -
nice, but i'm not sure if i'd bother with it for more than a week or
so - the rotating workspace is far more use than wobbly windows
though.
As for the cost - precisely nothing, nada, zilch :-)
Needed? It is never needed. Remember that Vista Home Basic doesn't
even have it (at all). It is purely and totally a cosmetic frill.
That said, it is cool looking.
RnR wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:00:52 GMT, "Jupiter Jones"
> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>
>> Like a lot of features in all products.
>> Some like it, some have no need.
>> Similar to extra features in phone services, automobiles and just
>> about every product imaginable.
>>
>> If the extra cost only brings features you do not need, save your $.
>
>
> I agree with you but I think Journey wants examples where it might
> actually be needed. If I'm wrong, I'll let him reply to this....
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:07:40 -0400, Barry Watzman
<WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>Needed? It is never needed. Remember that Vista Home Basic doesn't
>even have it (at all). It is purely and totally a cosmetic frill.
>
>That said, it is cool looking.
Yes, it is cool looking and probably needed to keep market share from
Apple which has been more aggressive with its marketing.
I had Aero on until yesterday when I was fixing my Real VNC problem
and saw that some users had problems due to Aero Glass. My problems
weren't related to that but I didn't know that at the time so I turned
off Aero and went to the Vista Basic display properties.
I actually prefer the non-glass Vista. To me the transparent windows
are annoying. Why do I want to see a non-legible fuzzy view of a
window underneath? I don't. I want a nice clean functional look.
The issue for me isn't price as Jupiter mentioned, because Vista comes
standard on many notebooks and whether to choose an OS like Vista
takes into account more factors than just the way it looks. There are
things I like about Vista.
However, my main disappointment is that MS would spend so much of its
time, energy, and resources on the unneded eye candy that could have
been put to much better use improving the features of its user
interface. I wonder how much of the Vista development effort was put
into the glass features.
(I am using the term Aero and glass synonymously because I have a hard
time knowing which term to use)
The new default Start menu in Vista has promise but OMG did Bill Gates
himself ever use it on a daily basis? It's great being able to type
in the name of a program and have it show up so it can be quickly run.
However, that feature is mutually exclusive with the hierarchical
program-selection Start menu (I hope someone points out that I am
wrong and missing something). Instead there is a tunnel-vision
verticle scrolling programs list and no cascading list unless I go
back to the classic start menu in which case the new Vista feature of
being able to type a program name to run it is inactivated. The
interface should allow BOTH options.
There are many other user interface changes that MS could have made
that I have rambled about before so I won't repeat them here again.
I can't help think "What a waste!" when I look at Vista -- all the
wasted resources that went into Vista Aero Glass and the 3-D window
switching. Cheap utility programs have done 3-D window switching on
Windows for a while now. For MS to use that to promote Vista is
embarassing for MS IMO.
I would have a MacBook as one of my two laptops when Leopard comes
out, however the Mac laptops have a heat problem. The laptops get up
to 140 degrees F! The ealier ones had component failures because of
it. The other problem is price -- Apple still over-prices its
products at the expense of market share. AND, Apple includes a stupid
program like Garage Band -- one that most people won't use, and
charges extra for iWork (or something like that) that has a good word
processor.
Well, it is VERY APPARENT that NOTHING is good enough for Journey.
Sheesh, what is my problem ???????
:-)
MS is Evil, Apple is Arrogant, and Linux has a wanna-be kindergarten
GUI and a name made for monkeys (Uh buhn Tuu).
On the plus side, now that MS has the eye candy out of the way and
Apple is putting pressure on it with the functionality of its OS's,
the next version of Windows will probably be very impressive, and of
course target more areas on which MS can leverage its monopoly to
dominate whatever areas it wants.
(for example... the Real VNC Java download needed for Internet
Explorerfor remote access of a computer outside of one's LAN had a
message "See the Microsoft site" to get the needed component. In
other words, if you want to use Java for the task in Internet Explorer
you're on your own and good luck finding it. Mozilla ate least
provided a download link)
> Can someone please explain what is so good about it?
It's Microsoft's answer to the visual effects in Apple's Macintosh OS X.
After all, if someone else has a whatever, Microsoft must make their own
version of said whatever. :-)
I suppose that one of the "good things" about the "Aero" features is that
they will sell higher priced copies of Windows to computer buyers who like
that sort of thing.
Keep in mind that Vista Aero Glass is part of an industry-wide push to turn
computers into home entertainment centers, and Micro$oft's reason for it becomes
clear, almost transparent. Just think of it as a good way to gloss over all the
technical issues with Windows, sort of like a cheap coat of paint and bondo on a
car rusting out... Ben Myers
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:25:44 -0500, Journey <usenet@merr.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:07:40 -0400, Barry Watzman
><WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Needed? It is never needed. Remember that Vista Home Basic doesn't
>>even have it (at all). It is purely and totally a cosmetic frill.
>>
>>That said, it is cool looking.
>
>Yes, it is cool looking and probably needed to keep market share from
>Apple which has been more aggressive with its marketing.
>
>I had Aero on until yesterday when I was fixing my Real VNC problem
>and saw that some users had problems due to Aero Glass. My problems
>weren't related to that but I didn't know that at the time so I turned
>off Aero and went to the Vista Basic display properties.
>
>I actually prefer the non-glass Vista. To me the transparent windows
>are annoying. Why do I want to see a non-legible fuzzy view of a
>window underneath? I don't. I want a nice clean functional look.
>
>The issue for me isn't price as Jupiter mentioned, because Vista comes
>standard on many notebooks and whether to choose an OS like Vista
>takes into account more factors than just the way it looks. There are
>things I like about Vista.
>
>However, my main disappointment is that MS would spend so much of its
>time, energy, and resources on the unneded eye candy that could have
>been put to much better use improving the features of its user
>interface. I wonder how much of the Vista development effort was put
>into the glass features.
>
>(I am using the term Aero and glass synonymously because I have a hard
>time knowing which term to use)
>
>The new default Start menu in Vista has promise but OMG did Bill Gates
>himself ever use it on a daily basis? It's great being able to type
>in the name of a program and have it show up so it can be quickly run.
>However, that feature is mutually exclusive with the hierarchical
>program-selection Start menu (I hope someone points out that I am
>wrong and missing something). Instead there is a tunnel-vision
>verticle scrolling programs list and no cascading list unless I go
>back to the classic start menu in which case the new Vista feature of
>being able to type a program name to run it is inactivated. The
>interface should allow BOTH options.
>
>There are many other user interface changes that MS could have made
>that I have rambled about before so I won't repeat them here again.
>
>I can't help think "What a waste!" when I look at Vista -- all the
>wasted resources that went into Vista Aero Glass and the 3-D window
>switching. Cheap utility programs have done 3-D window switching on
>Windows for a while now. For MS to use that to promote Vista is
>embarassing for MS IMO.
>
>I would have a MacBook as one of my two laptops when Leopard comes
>out, however the Mac laptops have a heat problem. The laptops get up
>to 140 degrees F! The ealier ones had component failures because of
>it. The other problem is price -- Apple still over-prices its
>products at the expense of market share. AND, Apple includes a stupid
>program like Garage Band -- one that most people won't use, and
>charges extra for iWork (or something like that) that has a good word
>processor.
>
>Well, it is VERY APPARENT that NOTHING is good enough for Journey.
>Sheesh, what is my problem ???????
>
>:-)
>
>MS is Evil, Apple is Arrogant, and Linux has a wanna-be kindergarten
>GUI and a name made for monkeys (Uh buhn Tuu).
>
>On the plus side, now that MS has the eye candy out of the way and
>Apple is putting pressure on it with the functionality of its OS's,
>the next version of Windows will probably be very impressive, and of
>course target more areas on which MS can leverage its monopoly to
>dominate whatever areas it wants.
>
>(for example... the Real VNC Java download needed for Internet
>Explorerfor remote access of a computer outside of one's LAN had a
>message "See the Microsoft site" to get the needed component. In
>other words, if you want to use Java for the task in Internet Explorer
>you're on your own and good luck finding it. Mozilla ate least
>provided a download link)
Vista Aero Glass -- What's the big deal? 
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