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Old 10-10-2007, 01:57 PM
pemo
 
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hello,
i have a dell latitude cs operating win95.
i have a usb 2.0 memory stick with files i would like to put on the laptop.
when i plug the memory stick into the laptop's usb port, nothing happens.
the drive is not listed when opening "my computer". tried "add remove
hardware" search with mem stick plugged in hoping laptop would "find" it,
but no go. i searched device manager, and i see pci univeral serial bus
listed but is marked with yellow exclamation. states drivers are not
installed. laptop can not connect to internet presently. where/ how can i
get a driver for this issue? would win95 disk have this driver?
any assistance would be appreciated, thanks in advance,
peter


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Old 10-10-2007, 01:58 PM
Rob
 
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"pemo" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> hello,
> i have a dell latitude cs operating win95.
> i have a usb 2.0 memory stick with files i would like to put on the
> laptop. when i plug the memory stick into the laptop's usb port, nothing
> happens. the drive is not listed when opening "my computer". tried "add
> remove hardware" search with mem stick plugged in hoping laptop would
> "find" it, but no go. i searched device manager, and i see pci univeral
> serial bus listed but is marked with yellow exclamation. states drivers
> are not installed. laptop can not connect to internet presently. where/
> how can i get a driver for this issue? would win95 disk have this driver?
> any assistance would be appreciated, thanks in advance,
> peter
>

I thought WIN95 didn't support USB2.0. Didn't Windows 98SE support this?

Rob

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Old 10-10-2007, 02:04 PM
Ben Myers
 
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The manufacturer of the memory stick is responsible for providing drivers for
it. If the manufacturer has a driver for Windows 98, you are also nearly 100%
sure that it will work with Windows 95. Go to the web site of the manufacturer
to see if a Windows 95/98 driver is available for it.

One other caveat: Because the memory stick was designed for USB 2.0, it may not
work at all on an older laptop with a USB 1.0 or 1.1 port. USB 2.0 provides
for MUCH faster data rates than USB 1.1. In addition, it allows USB devices to
draw more power from the USB port than USB 1.0/1.1 devices. If your memory
stick draws too much power, it will not work. Odds of this are small, but the
older the computer is, the more likely it is to happen... Ben Myers

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:57:00 -0400, "pemo" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote:

>hello,
>i have a dell latitude cs operating win95.
>i have a usb 2.0 memory stick with files i would like to put on the laptop.
>when i plug the memory stick into the laptop's usb port, nothing happens.
>the drive is not listed when opening "my computer". tried "add remove
>hardware" search with mem stick plugged in hoping laptop would "find" it,
>but no go. i searched device manager, and i see pci univeral serial bus
>listed but is marked with yellow exclamation. states drivers are not
>installed. laptop can not connect to internet presently. where/ how can i
>get a driver for this issue? would win95 disk have this driver?
>any assistance would be appreciated, thanks in advance,
>peter
>

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Old 10-10-2007, 02:04 PM
ric
 
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On Oct 10, 1:58 pm, "Rob" <u...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "pemo" <nos...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>
> news:u_3Pi.11$et6.7@newsfe12.lga...> hello,
> > i have a dell latitude cs operating win95.
> > i have a usb 2.0 memory stick with files i would like to put on the
> > laptop. when i plug the memory stick into the laptop's usb port, nothing
> > happens. the drive is not listed when opening "my computer". tried "add
> > remove hardware" search with mem stick plugged in hoping laptop would
> > "find" it, but no go. i searched device manager, and i see pci univeral
> > serial bus listed but is marked with yellow exclamation. states drivers
> > are not installed. laptop can not connect to internet presently. where/
> > how can i get a driver for this issue? would win95 disk have this driver?
> > any assistance would be appreciated, thanks in advance,
> > peter

>
> I thought WIN95 didn't support USB2.0. Didn't Windows 98SE support this?
>
> Rob
>
> --
> Red meat isn't bad for you....Blue, Green fuzzy meat is bad for you.


Yup, Win95 doesn't do USB. 95b purported to, but to all practical
intents and purposes did not work. I don't care how much people moan
that this is wrong, and actually it did work with USB - from long,
bitter and very practical experience it wasn't worth messing with.
Win98SE finally added good USB support. No, there's no easy patch to
add this functionality - to get it working you'll want to reinstall
Windows, at which point you should probably consider putting Win2K on
it or upping the RAM and putting XP on.

Ric

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Old 10-10-2007, 02:27 PM
pemo
 
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thanks to all of you for the replies. actually the reason for the usb stick
was to put winxp (yes, i'm embarrassed to admit it is a cracked version
from a friend) onto the laptop. i understand the issues you all have
addressed. i will try to search for a win98 driver and see if that will
work. that's about as deep as i will try to dig for now. again thank you for
the replies.
peter
"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message
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> The manufacturer of the memory stick is responsible for providing drivers
> for
> it. If the manufacturer has a driver for Windows 98, you are also nearly
> 100%
> sure that it will work with Windows 95. Go to the web site of the
> manufacturer
> to see if a Windows 95/98 driver is available for it.
>
> One other caveat: Because the memory stick was designed for USB 2.0, it
> may not
> work at all on an older laptop with a USB 1.0 or 1.1 port. USB 2.0
> provides
> for MUCH faster data rates than USB 1.1. In addition, it allows USB
> devices to
> draw more power from the USB port than USB 1.0/1.1 devices. If your
> memory
> stick draws too much power, it will not work. Odds of this are small,
> but the
> older the computer is, the more likely it is to happen... Ben Myers
>
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:57:00 -0400, "pemo" <nospam@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>hello,
>>i have a dell latitude cs operating win95.
>>i have a usb 2.0 memory stick with files i would like to put on the
>>laptop.
>>when i plug the memory stick into the laptop's usb port, nothing happens.
>>the drive is not listed when opening "my computer". tried "add remove
>>hardware" search with mem stick plugged in hoping laptop would "find" it,
>>but no go. i searched device manager, and i see pci univeral serial bus
>>listed but is marked with yellow exclamation. states drivers are not
>>installed. laptop can not connect to internet presently. where/ how can i
>>get a driver for this issue? would win95 disk have this driver?
>>any assistance would be appreciated, thanks in advance,
>>peter
>>



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Old 10-10-2007, 03:14 PM
ric
 
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On Oct 10, 2:04 pm, Ben Myers <ben_myers_spam_me_...@charter.net>
wrote:
> The manufacturer of the memory stick is responsible for providing drivers for
> it.


Well, possibly. Many *don't* though, so this doesn't really help the
OP.

If the manufacturer has a driver for Windows 98, you are also nearly
100%
> sure that it will work with Windows 95. Go to the web site of the manufacturer
> to see if a Windows 95/98 driver is available for it.


No. No. No. Win95 DOES NOT FUNCTION WITH USB for any reasonable
definition of "function". It. Will. Not. Work. Trust me on this one.
>
> One other caveat: Because the memory stick was designed for USB 2.0, it may not
> work at all on an older laptop with a USB 1.0 or 1.1 port. USB 2.0 provides
> for MUCH faster data rates than USB 1.1. In addition, it allows USB devices to
> draw more power from the USB port than USB 1.0/1.1 devices. If your memory
> stick draws too much power, it will not work. Odds of this are small, but the
> older the computer is, the more likely it is to happen... Ben Myers


I have never seen, and do not believe exist, USB bulk storage devices
that work with USB2.0 and not with USB1.0. Similarly, there is a
minimum power standard a USB port can provide and all flash memory
devices will work with this. I am not aware (and don't believe
exists) any differences in the power standards defined for USB1.0 and
USB2.0. Ergo, USB2.0 or not makes no difference in this case.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Power for a good overview.

>
>


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Old 10-10-2007, 03:37 PM
wm_walsh@hotmail.com
 
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Default Re: usb drive question

Hi!

> i have a dell latitude cs operating win95.
> i have a usb 2.0 memory stick with files i would like to put on
> the laptop.


An oversimplified explanation is that Windows 95 simply does not have
any USB support.

The last OEM Service Release (OSR 2.5) for Windows 95 took place in
1997 and did include a USB support supplement. If you can find this
supplement and happen to already have OSR 2.0 (Windows 95 B") on your
system, you can add the support. It will only work at USB 1.1 speeds,
however. USB 2.0 will not be supported.

I still wouldn't expect it to work, however. Microsoft pulled the rug
out from under Windows 95 and its USB support by changing how drivers
were written for Windows 98 and later products. Very few people ever
bothered to make Windows 95-compatible drivers for their USB products.

William

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Old 10-10-2007, 03:40 PM
wm_walsh@hotmail.com
 
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Hi!

> If the manufacturer has a driver for Windows 98, you are also
> nearly 100% sure that it will work with Windows 95.


Unfortunately, that's not quite correct. Microsoft added support to
Windows 98 for WDM (Windows Driver Model IIRC) drivers and didn't
bother to do so for Windows 95 in any release.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_Model

Many drivers for USB products are WDM drivers and therefore they do
not work on Windows 95 systems.

William

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Old 10-10-2007, 05:33 PM
pemo
 
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understood. thanks for the info. i'm disappointed, but you all are very
helpful here.thanks,
peter
<wm_walsh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi!
>
>> i have a dell latitude cs operating win95.
>> i have a usb 2.0 memory stick with files i would like to put on
>> the laptop.

>
> An oversimplified explanation is that Windows 95 simply does not have
> any USB support.
>
> The last OEM Service Release (OSR 2.5) for Windows 95 took place in
> 1997 and did include a USB support supplement. If you can find this
> supplement and happen to already have OSR 2.0 (Windows 95 B") on your
> system, you can add the support. It will only work at USB 1.1 speeds,
> however. USB 2.0 will not be supported.
>
> I still wouldn't expect it to work, however. Microsoft pulled the rug
> out from under Windows 95 and its USB support by changing how drivers
> were written for Windows 98 and later products. Very few people ever
> bothered to make Windows 95-compatible drivers for their USB products.
>
> William
>



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Old 10-10-2007, 09:38 PM
wm_walsh@hotmail.com
 
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Hi!

> understood. thanks for the info. i'm disappointed, but you all
> are very helpful here.thanks


Sorry for the disappointment, but it's true. :-(

You can certainly try if you want--the last I knew, the update
packages were still available for download. Maybe you'd get awfully
lucky.

On the other hand, I have to wonder how well Windows XP might run on
an older system like your laptop. An older version of Windows--such as
2000 or 98--might be a far better choice and can be found relatively
inexpensively in this day and age. Personally, I wouldn't trust
cracked software to run properly or not do something malicious to your
computer.

William

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