OT--SP3?

Chris:

Are you sure? I got this information, and it makes it sound like I am better
off keeping IE 6.0 BEFORE installing SP3. Am I missing something?

Mel

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Internet Explorer 6 Users

XPSP3 will continue to ship with IE6 and contains a roll-up of the latest
security updates for IE6. If you are still running Internet Explorer 6, then
XPSP3 will be offered to you via Windows Update as a high priority update.
You can safely install XPSP3 and will have an updated version of IE6 with
all your personal preferences, such as home pages and favorites, still
intact.

If you are currently running IE7 or IE8 on Windows XP SP2 (XPSP2) and you
are thinking of upgrading to XPSP3, read on.

Internet Explorer 7 Users


If you are currently running IE7 on XPSP2, Windows Update will offer you
XPSP3 as a high priority update. If you choose to install XPSP3, Internet
Explorer 7 will remain on your system after the install is complete. Your
preferences will be retained. However, you will no longer be able to
uninstall IE7. If you go to Control Panel->Add/Remove Programs, the Remove
option will be grayed out.

This behavior is by design and here is why. When we install IE7 on Windows
XP SP2, we backup the existing IE6 files in an uninstall directory. Those
IE6 files are the ones that shipped on XPSP2 plus all the security updates
you've installed while using IE6. Windows XP SP3 contains a newer version of
the Internet Explorer 6 files. If you have XPSP3 on your system and
uninstall IE7, your system would revert to the backed up (older) version of
the IE6 files rather than the newer XPSP3 version. You would end up in a
mixed file state in Windows where most files would be the upgraded XPSP3,
except for the IE6 files restored when uninstalling IE7. This state is not
supported and is very bug prone. To ensure a reliable user experience, we
prevent this broken state by disabling the ability to uninstall Internet
Explorer 7.

If you must uninstall IE7 after you have upgraded to XPSP3, then you have to
first uninstall XPSP3, and then uninstall IE7. After this series of
uninstalls, you will be reverted back to a XPSP2, and a stable version of
IE6, so feel free to upgrade to XPSP3 again.

If you install IE7 after you install XPSP3, then you will be able to
uninstall IE7 at any point and be reverted to the newer IE6 version that
ships in XPSP3. The restriction on uninstalling only applies to when you
install a Windows Service Pack release on top of a standalone IE release.

Keeping this in mind, you might want to uninstall IE7, upgrade to XPSP3 and
then install IE7 again so you can uninstall IE7 in the future if need be.

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"Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:GPGdncOxDeyDWhXVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> the only problem i have encountered with windows xp sp3 is that is it can
> result in older windows updates from being applied. for example, if you
> install ie7 after sp3 then you will not be able to update ie7 unless you
> re-register the older windows update utility. so, if installing windows
> from scratch, be sure to install ie7 and update it before installing
> windows sp3. if you already have ie7 and all other updates applied then
> this is not an issue.
>
> "MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
> news:lk0ik.10671$Dw3.3491@newsfe04.iad...
>> I've been hesitant to install this update as it appears to be a major one
>> and I don't want things to get ******* up.
>>
>> Is there any reason to do the update or not to do it?
>>
>> Mel
>>
>
>

I have installed XP SP3 on a number of new-build and refurb computers recently
and all seems to have gone well. However, had SP3 hosed the system completely,
there would have been zero loss of client's data, as I would have started all
over again with an XP install. These systems have been operating OK after
delivery to client.

However, if you have your own personal data and programs that take a substantial
amount of time to recover or reinstall, be very careful and back up what is
important to you first.

I'll also note in passing that Microsoft's XP Update has gotten flakier lately.
Not because the updates themselves are full of defects, but rather because the
updates often refuse to install for whatever reason not explained at all by
Microsoft. In one case, a download of one of these patches all by itself,
followed by its installation, worked like a charm. Go figure. Apparently a
treadle has gone askew in the mill out in Redmond, or wherever the update server
farm is... Ben Myers

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:28:30 -0400, "MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote:

>I've been hesitant to install this update as it appears to be a major one
>and I don't want things to get ******* up.
>
>Is there any reason to do the update or not to do it?
>
>Mel
>

> I'll also note in passing that Microsoft's XP Update has gotten flakier lately.

My missus got notification of a batch of updates the other day - I
deselected the useless ones like the lookOut spam filter and the
malicious software util, but left another XP update and SP3 ticked.

As soon as I hit "install" the update option disappeared, and nothing
was installed. It hasn't reappeared, and they can **** off if they
think i'm going to install their own malware (WGA) to get it.

This is on a legit system btw, but I don't want to be forced to jump
through hoops that didn't exist when the system was purchased to
update.

Typical example of the flakiness.

Because I do this sort of thing (Windows updates) mindlessly and repeatedly,
almost obsessively, I have downloaded the SP2, SP3 and IE7 install files. I
keep them on a flash stick, when whenever Windows update prompts me to install
one of them, I do it from the flash stick, rather than endure long download
times. It makes the headache of updating Windows go away faster.

I am pretty sure one can bypass the WGA nonsense by downloading and installing
from flash. You are ****ed if you do and ****ed if you don't update. Even XP,
after 7 years, continues to have security holes that need to be plugged. If you
don't update, you are potentially ******* by some security threat. I you do
update, it continues to be a pain in the ***.

If all the systems I touched were identical, I would image a drive, but such is
not the case... Ben Myers

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:06:25 +0100, Colin Wilson
<REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTnewsgroup@phoenixbbsZEROSPAM.c o.uk> wrote:

>> I'll also note in passing that Microsoft's XP Update has gotten flakier lately.
>
>My missus got notification of a batch of updates the other day - I
>deselected the useless ones like the lookOut spam filter and the
>malicious software util, but left another XP update and SP3 ticked.
>
>As soon as I hit "install" the update option disappeared, and nothing
>was installed. It hasn't reappeared, and they can **** off if they
>think i'm going to install their own malware (WGA) to get it.
>
>This is on a legit system btw, but I don't want to be forced to jump
>through hoops that didn't exist when the system was purchased to
>update.

> I am pretty sure one can bypass the WGA nonsense by downloading and installing
> from flash. You are ****ed if you do and ****ed if you don't update. Even XP,
> after 7 years, continues to have security holes that need to be plugged. If you
> don't update, you are potentially ******* by some security threat.

I know - but hopefully I run a fairly tight ship (although it came as
a shock to me earlier, having already patched all my other machines)
to find my main desktop was still on Java 6 update 4 :-}

I only noticed when I downloaded the full offline installer for my
emergency CD and happened to use the version checker on the site :-}

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:49:32 -0400, Ben Myers
<ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote:

>Typical example of the flakiness.
>
>Because I do this sort of thing (Windows updates) mindlessly and repeatedly,
>almost obsessively, I have downloaded the SP2, SP3 and IE7 install files. I
>keep them on a flash stick, when whenever Windows update prompts me to install
>one of them, I do it from the flash stick, rather than endure long download
>times. It makes the headache of updating Windows go away faster.
>
>I am pretty sure one can bypass the WGA nonsense by downloading and installing
>from flash. You are ****ed if you do and ****ed if you don't update. Even XP,
>after 7 years, continues to have security holes that need to be plugged. If you
>don't update, you are potentially ******* by some security threat. I you do
>update, it continues to be a pain in the ***.
>

I'll take my chances <g> ....
So far.... no updates but no problems either and no penetrations due
to router and software firewall and virus checker (ok an occasional
reboot on the dsl modem) and encryption on sensitive stuff.
Inotherwords hack thru my firewall and router and then have fun
decrypting my sensitive stuff if you have enough time <grin>. And if
they try to mess my system up, I'll just restore it from backup. I
feel better doing this than relying any more than I have to on MS who
has ******* me enough in the past.

"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
news:lk0ik.10671$Dw3.3491@newsfe04.iad...
> I've been hesitant to install this update as it appears to be a major one
> and I don't want things to get ******* up.
>
> Is there any reason to do the update or not to do it?
>
> Mel
>

Mel,

I had one issue with SP3 and that was with a setting in my HP Officejet Pro
L7580 printer. When I selected Fast/Economical Printing it changed the
default setting of Print Mirror Image from Off to On. You can imagine how
surprised I was when I printed my first document after installing SP3 and it
printed in the mirror image.

In normal printing the default setting for Print Mirror Image is still Off.
With a chat dialogue to a tech person at HP they confirmed that SP3 has
caused some problems with some of their driver software. So I will not be
able to use Fast/Economical printing with the printer.

I uninstalled SP3 and the problem did not correct itself. So SP3 hosed the
HP software setting in this one mode of printing.

HP is aware of my situation after the SP3 uninstall. They had no solution
now for this situation.


Leigh

HP's printer settings clutter up the registry just like everything else. There
is some small risk of harm from speelunking in the registry, trying to identify
the registry entry controlling mirror image printing, and resetting it. Try
searching the registry for "Print Mirror" to find the registry key, although
those doofus programmers in HP's printer software division could have done
something more obscure and stupid to name a registry key... Ben Myers

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:51:35 -0500, "Leigh" <lgh@cts.org> wrote:
<SNIP>
>Mel,
>
>I had one issue with SP3 and that was with a setting in my HP Officejet Pro
>L7580 printer. When I selected Fast/Economical Printing it changed the
>default setting of Print Mirror Image from Off to On. You can imagine how
>surprised I was when I printed my first document after installing SP3 and it
>printed in the mirror image.
>
>In normal printing the default setting for Print Mirror Image is still Off.
>With a chat dialogue to a tech person at HP they confirmed that SP3 has
>caused some problems with some of their driver software. So I will not be
>able to use Fast/Economical printing with the printer.
>
>I uninstalled SP3 and the problem did not correct itself. So SP3 hosed the
>HP software setting in this one mode of printing.
>
>HP is aware of my situation after the SP3 uninstall. They had no solution
>now for this situation.
>
>
>Leigh
>
>

Ben,

Thanks! I agree with you comment on the doofus programmers in HP's printer
software division.

Going though the registry looking for Print Mirror would be long task. HP
techs just did not know what to say other than they have had problems with
SP3. I will just let it go and see if HP offers another driver at some point
in time. And I know that may never happen. Since I can still print in the
Normal Print mode I will stay with that.

Thanks for your comments and observations. Of course I could reinstall the
OS and all software including the printer software and be back to normal
before the SP3 installation but that too is a long task. Printer ink only
costs a little over $5,000.00 per GALLON so I have heard. : )

Leigh

"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message
news:h0ji84pmi3vf11nvnotgkc5n50fojddoll@4ax.com...
> HP's printer settings clutter up the registry just like everything else.
> There
> is some small risk of harm from speelunking in the registry, trying to
> identify
> the registry entry controlling mirror image printing, and resetting it.
> Try
> searching the registry for "Print Mirror" to find the registry key,
> although
> those doofus programmers in HP's printer software division could have done
> something more obscure and stupid to name a registry key... Ben Myers
>
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:51:35 -0500, "Leigh" <lgh@cts.org> wrote:
> <SNIP>
>>Mel,
>>
>>I had one issue with SP3 and that was with a setting in my HP Officejet
>>Pro
>>L7580 printer. When I selected Fast/Economical Printing it changed the
>>default setting of Print Mirror Image from Off to On. You can imagine how
>>surprised I was when I printed my first document after installing SP3 and
>>it
>>printed in the mirror image.
>>
>>In normal printing the default setting for Print Mirror Image is still
>>Off.
>>With a chat dialogue to a tech person at HP they confirmed that SP3 has
>>caused some problems with some of their driver software. So I will not be
>>able to use Fast/Economical printing with the printer.
>>
>>I uninstalled SP3 and the problem did not correct itself. So SP3 hosed the
>>HP software setting in this one mode of printing.
>>
>>HP is aware of my situation after the SP3 uninstall. They had no solution
>>now for this situation.
>>
>>
>>Leigh
>>
>>

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:04:09 -0500, "Leigh" <lgh@cts.org> wrote:

>Ben,
>
>Thanks! I agree with you comment on the doofus programmers in HP's printer
>software division.
>
>Going though the registry looking for Print Mirror would be long task. HP
>techs just did not know what to say other than they have had problems with
>SP3. I will just let it go and see if HP offers another driver at some point
>in time. And I know that may never happen. Since I can still print in the
>Normal Print mode I will stay with that.
>
>Thanks for your comments and observations. Of course I could reinstall the
>OS and all software including the printer software and be back to normal
>before the SP3 installation but that too is a long task. Printer ink only
>costs a little over $5,000.00 per GALLON so I have heard. : )
>
>Leigh
>

Leigh, I haven't followed this entire thread so pardon me if I missed
something but maybe if you use "autoruns" you could find that Print
Mirror ??? Might be worth a shot. And I agree that printer ink
is expensive, kinda ridulous IMO.