In news:er9i74d0v7putmf68acr9u60r6dpfr8b3k@4ax.com,
journey typed on Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:55:39 -0500:
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> If MS provides "downgrade rights", it seems that they should also
> provide the installation files -- maybe MS should bundle XP in the
> Vista versions that are allowed downgrades!...
Actually many of us view Vista to Windows XP as an upgrade.
Is it just me, or does Vista remind you of MS Bob v2? We remember how MS Bob
v1 did. LOL
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 4GB SSD 2GB SODIMM 16GB SDHC
Windows XP Home SP2 - 10400mAh
BillW50 wrote:
> In news:er9i74d0v7putmf68acr9u60r6dpfr8b3k@4ax.com,
> journey typed on Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:55:39 -0500:
> [...]
>> If MS provides "downgrade rights", it seems that they should also
>> provide the installation files -- maybe MS should bundle XP in the
>> Vista versions that are allowed downgrades!...
>
> Actually many of us view Vista to Windows XP as an upgrade.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Levine [mailto:invalid@fake.address.com]
> Posted At: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:43 PM
> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
> Conversation: Legal Vista > XP Question
> Subject: Re: Legal Vista > XP Question
>
> RnR wrote:
>
> > Bottom line is after all the number of questions and the lack of
> > clarity on this subject, (now watch the flames begin) , should we
> > really care if we are using it for "private" purposes (for no
> monetary
> > gains)?
>
> I've always felt that the spirit of the EULA is the important thing.
>
> Note: I'm not a lawyer, never played one on TV, and didn't stay at a
> Holiday Inn Express last night.
>
> Bob
Didn't we rehash this last year? The spirit of the EULA is clear. The
license is tied to the machine. You use it on another machine, you're
violating copyright law (i.e. stealing).
There's no room for discussion. You can do it. You likely won't get
caught.
Doesn't change the facts. Just like 'going with the flow' in traffic is
common, speeding is still speeding and you can still get a ticket.
> Didn't we rehash this last year? The spirit of the EULA is clear. The
> license is tied to the machine. You use it on another machine, you're
> violating copyright law (i.e. stealing).
But we're not talking about an XP license now...we're talking about a
Vista license. IF AND ONLY IF it actually does allow you to downgrade to
XP it shouldn't matter where the actual media comes from.
I don't even know how it work technically as far as serial numbers,
activation, etc.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Levine [mailto:invalid@fake.address.com]
> Posted At: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:20 PM
> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
> Conversation: Legal Vista > XP Question
> Subject: Re: Legal Vista > XP Question
>
> Tom Scales wrote:
>
> > Didn't we rehash this last year? The spirit of the EULA is clear.
> The
> > license is tied to the machine. You use it on another machine,
> you're
> > violating copyright law (i.e. stealing).
>
> But we're not talking about an XP license now...we're talking about a
> Vista license. IF AND ONLY IF it actually does allow you to downgrade
> to
> XP it shouldn't matter where the actual media comes from.
>
> I don't even know how it work technically as far as serial numbers,
> activation, etc.
>
> Bob
The original question wasn't about downgrading from Vista Business or
Vista Ultimate (the versions that allow it), but whether an XP license
from an older machine could be used. For the original question, the
answer is, legally, no.
Now, if the OP has Vista Ultimate or Vista Business, then they have the
right to downgrade. Just use a Dell XP Pro disk. It shouldn't require
activation. This should be legal.
"Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Levine [mailto:invalid@fake.address.com]
>> Posted At: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:20 PM
>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
>> Conversation: Legal Vista > XP Question
>> Subject: Re: Legal Vista > XP Question
>>
>> Tom Scales wrote:
>>
>> > Didn't we rehash this last year? The spirit of the EULA is clear.
>> The
>> > license is tied to the machine. You use it on another machine,
>> you're
>> > violating copyright law (i.e. stealing).
>>
>> But we're not talking about an XP license now...we're talking about a
>> Vista license. IF AND ONLY IF it actually does allow you to downgrade
>> to
>> XP it shouldn't matter where the actual media comes from.
>>
>> I don't even know how it work technically as far as serial numbers,
>> activation, etc.
>>
>> Bob
>
> The original question wasn't about downgrading from Vista Business or
> Vista Ultimate (the versions that allow it), but whether an XP license
> from an older machine could be used. For the original question, the
> answer is, legally, no.
>
> Now, if the OP has Vista Ultimate or Vista Business, then they have the
> right to downgrade. Just use a Dell XP Pro disk. It shouldn't require
> activation. This should be legal.
>
So....it's safe to assume that the Vista COA (Business and Ultimate)
"downgrade license" is merely a legal policy with no changes to the COA
label/physical license from any other Business/Ultimate license.
?
I don't know, I'm speculating and asking. Anyone know for sure?
Can I downgrade my OEM version of Windows Vista Business to Windows XP
Professional?
Yes. OEM downgrade rights for desktop PC operating systems apply to Windows
Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate as stated in the License Terms.
Please note, OEM downgrade versions of Windows Vista Business and Windows
Vista Ultimate are limited to Windows XP Professional (including Windows XP
Tablet PC Edition and Windows XP x64 Edition). End users can use the
following media for their downgrade: Volume Licensing media (provided the
end user has a Volume Licensing agreement), retail (FPP), or system builder
hologram CD (provided the software is acquired in accordance with the
Microsoft OEM System Builder License). Use of the downgraded operating
system is governed by the Windows Vista Business License Terms, and the end
user cannot use both the downgrade operating system and Windows Vista
Business. There are no downgrade rights granted for Windows Vista Home Basic
or Windows Vista Home Premium.
.... Dean
"Bob Levine" <invalid@fake.address.com> wrote in message
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> BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:er9i74d0v7putmf68acr9u60r6dpfr8b3k@4ax.com,
>> journey typed on Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:55:39 -0500:
>> [...]
>>> If MS provides "downgrade rights", it seems that they should also
>>> provide the installation files -- maybe MS should bundle XP in the
>>> Vista versions that are allowed downgrades!...
>>
>> Actually many of us view Vista to Windows XP as an upgrade.
>
> Many perhaps, but certainly not all.
>
> Bob
And, as a practical matter, whether legal or not, you can take a Dell-branded
Windows XP (Home or Pro) CD and install it on most any computer with a
motherboard that has a Dell BIOS. The net result is a fully functional Windows
that does not require activation.
Now would I do that? No. I install Dell's Windows XP on computers with a
Dell-branded Windows XP sticker on the side... Ben Myers
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:06:16 -0500, "Dean-MN" <Reply@to.group> wrote:
>S.Lewis wrote:
>> "Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5DBDA1F25D39405EA5578FFE62B9EEAC@M2010...
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bob Levine [mailto:invalid@fake.address.com]
>>>> Posted At: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:20 PM
>>>> Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
>>>> Conversation: Legal Vista > XP Question
>>>> Subject: Re: Legal Vista > XP Question
>>>>
>>
>> I don't know, I'm speculating and asking. Anyone know for sure?
>
>Hi,
>An excerpt from
>http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...rade_chart.doc
>
>Can I downgrade my OEM version of Windows Vista Business to Windows XP
>Professional?
>Yes. OEM downgrade rights for desktop PC operating systems apply to Windows
>Vista Business and Windows Vista Ultimate as stated in the License Terms.
>Please note, OEM downgrade versions of Windows Vista Business and Windows
>Vista Ultimate are limited to Windows XP Professional (including Windows XP
>Tablet PC Edition and Windows XP x64 Edition). End users can use the
>following media for their downgrade: Volume Licensing media (provided the
>end user has a Volume Licensing agreement), retail (FPP), or system builder
>hologram CD (provided the software is acquired in accordance with the
>Microsoft OEM System Builder License). Use of the downgraded operating
>system is governed by the Windows Vista Business License Terms, and the end
>user cannot use both the downgrade operating system and Windows Vista
>Business. There are no downgrade rights granted for Windows Vista Home Basic
>or Windows Vista Home Premium.
>... Dean
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