A veritable rebellion against Microsoft. I can say I was the first, ordering XP
Pro from my distributor to go with parts I need to assemble a system for one of
my best clients.
I have installed vista on 10 computers and 7 people came back and wanted xp
reinstalled.
The machines were equipped to handle Vista but it was printer, scanner,
pda's etc. that caused
the people to go back to xp. I just told them to wait for the driver
updates. Most of these people
have small business and didn't want to wait or they are not buying new
hardware. So along with Dell, Gateway is getting on the xp bandwagon also.
"Nota Clu" <tyro01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Took a look at their site and saw XP is again available.
>
I wouldn't call it a rebellion against MS.
I think the truth is that people have lots of HW and SW that isn't Vista
compatible and would rather not deal with upgrading those items as well. For
lots of people, that "free" Vista upgrade that came with their computers has
a large back end cost associated with it.
For example, my HP LaserJet 3150 does not and will not support Vista and I'm
not in the mood to replace that just yet.
In my office we have a number of critical apps that will eventually support
Vista, but not today. It would cause us serious hardship to upgrade our
systems today.
Vista will eventually rule the roost and XP will eventually be gone as an
option. MS isn't going to move backwards. Dell just moved way to fast
pulling the XP option. Apparently they have learned the error of their ways.
"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message
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>A veritable rebellion against Microsoft. I can say I was the first,
>ordering XP
> Pro from my distributor to go with parts I need to assemble a system for
> one of
> my best clients.
>
> ... Ben Myers
>
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:08:44 GMT, "Nota Clu" <tyro01@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Took a look at their site and saw XP is again available.
>>
Gummy Mummy wrote:
>
> I wouldn't call it a rebellion against MS.
> I think the truth is that people have lots of HW and SW that isn't Vista
> compatible and would rather not deal with upgrading those items as well. For
> lots of people, that "free" Vista upgrade that came with their computers has
> a large back end cost associated with it.
> For example, my HP LaserJet 3150 does not and will not support Vista and I'm
> not in the mood to replace that just yet.
> In my office we have a number of critical apps that will eventually support
> Vista, but not today. It would cause us serious hardship to upgrade our
> systems today.
>
> Vista will eventually rule the roost and XP will eventually be gone as an
> option. MS isn't going to move backwards. Dell just moved way to fast
> pulling the XP option. Apparently they have learned the error of their ways.
Take a look at the header on my posts. My main machine is a Win95 machine,
not only because it still works, but because of some pleasant apps that only
work on it (Real Encoder; MKS Korn shell, and a huge legacy of /bin/ksh scripts
I've composed for it).
1996, 133MHz, 32MB ram, 2GB HD. The advice taken was to buy the second fastest
machine because it was a lot cheaper than the fastest ; or actually my employer
took the advice. I still use it as my work-at-home terminal when dialing in.
--
Ron Hardin rhhardin@mindspring.com
With collusion between Microsoft and the manufacturers of all the devices now
made supposedly obsolete, what would you call it, if not rebellion? Micro$oft
has tried to stuff Vista down everyone's throats. The fact is that almost
every time there is a new version of Windows, some devices no longer work. The
only exceptions seem to have been Windows 95 to Windows 98 and Windows 98 to
Windows ME, the latter for those people foolish enough to upgrade to the worst
version of Windows ever. But ANY move from a DOS-based Windows to ANY NT-based
Windows results in lots of perfectly good hardware for which there are no
drivers. Likewise the moves from NT to 2000 to XP caused similar problems. Why?
Because Microsoft habitually changes the device driver APIs to make them better.
Better for whom? The Independent Hardware Vendors (IHVs) who have the choice
of either upgrading drivers or trying to sell new hardware. And, yes, Windows
apps break time and again, with every release of Windows. (Interestingly, the
transition from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 was less traumatic, even with the
serious makeover of the OS.)
Gateway and Dell are finally listening to their customers and offering XP again,
also because their sales are down. Selling XP systems again gives both
companies the possibility of boosting sales. They would be ahead of the game
right now had they learned from the history of Windows... Ben Myers
>I wouldn't call it a rebellion against MS.
>I think the truth is that people have lots of HW and SW that isn't Vista
>compatible and would rather not deal with upgrading those items as well. For
>lots of people, that "free" Vista upgrade that came with their computers has
>a large back end cost associated with it.
>For example, my HP LaserJet 3150 does not and will not support Vista and I'm
>not in the mood to replace that just yet.
>In my office we have a number of critical apps that will eventually support
>Vista, but not today. It would cause us serious hardship to upgrade our
>systems today.
>
>Vista will eventually rule the roost and XP will eventually be gone as an
>option. MS isn't going to move backwards. Dell just moved way to fast
>pulling the XP option. Apparently they have learned the error of their ways.
>
>"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:a0al23pkcro2ub5ulocid3e4rv7fjpgj0e@4ax.com.. .
>>A veritable rebellion against Microsoft. I can say I was the first,
>>ordering XP
>> Pro from my distributor to go with parts I need to assemble a system for
>> one of
>> my best clients.
>>
>> ... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:08:44 GMT, "Nota Clu" <tyro01@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Took a look at their site and saw XP is again available.
>>>
>
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:26:53 -0400, Ben Myers
<ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote:
>Gateway and Dell are finally listening to their customers and offering XP again,
>also because their sales are down. Selling XP systems again gives both
>companies the possibility of boosting sales. They would be ahead of the game
>right now had they learned from the history of Windows... Ben Myers
Ben I agree with your comments.
Vista's 2G RAM sweet spot for many consumers either results in a
slower computer for them with Vista, or a more expensive one.
It's too bad for consumers if a system offered with XP doesn't include
a Vista upgrade path.
Do you know if there are technologies other than DirectX 10 which seem
to be an attempt to force an upgrade (in that case it's for gamers)?
It'll be interesting to see if Dell/Gateway will offer the option to buy a
new system with XP loaded along with a free (or low cost) upgrade to Vista
as they did just prior to Vista's official launch.
It sure would be nice because it would allow new users to stick with XP till
they are ready for Vista.
Somehow though, I don't think it will happen.
"Journey" <rainbow@oasis.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:26:53 -0400, Ben Myers
> <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>Gateway and Dell are finally listening to their customers and offering XP
>>again,
>>also because their sales are down. Selling XP systems again gives both
>>companies the possibility of boosting sales. They would be ahead of the
>>game
>>right now had they learned from the history of Windows... Ben Myers
>
> Ben I agree with your comments.
>
> Vista's 2G RAM sweet spot for many consumers either results in a
> slower computer for them with Vista, or a more expensive one.
>
> It's too bad for consumers if a system offered with XP doesn't include
> a Vista upgrade path.
>
> Do you know if there are technologies other than DirectX 10 which seem
> to be an attempt to force an upgrade (in that case it's for gamers)?
"HDRDTD" <HDRDTD@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> It'll be interesting to see if Dell/Gateway will offer the option to buy a
> new system with XP loaded along with a free (or low cost) upgrade to Vista
> as they did just prior to Vista's official launch.
>
> It sure would be nice because it would allow new users to stick with XP
> till they are ready for Vista.
>
> Somehow though, I don't think it will happen.
>
>
BTW, I know Dell made attempts to make the "new" sales sites more friendly,
but I don't find them so.
In fact, they seemed designed to steer me towards systems/configurations
Dell wants me to buy rather than to make it easy to create configurations
that I WANT TO BUY.
But I digress.
Related to the XP offerings, try to configure a 14.1" Inspiron with an Intel
CPU *and* Windows XP.
So far as I can tell, ain't happening. Suppose I should suggest the buyer
find another brand as they don't need a Latitude and they don't want a 15.4"
LCD.
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:44:12 -0500, "S.Lewis" <stew1960@mail.com>
wrote:
>Related to the XP offerings, try to configure a 14.1" Inspiron with an Intel
>CPU *and* Windows XP.
>
>So far as I can tell, ain't happening. Suppose I should suggest the buyer
>find another brand as they don't need a Latitude and they don't want a 15.4"
>LCD.
>
>Darn.
>
>Stew
That's a pretty big hole in Dell's Inspiron line given that the 14.1"
is the sweet spot for many cost-conscious travellers (not to mention
ones that want the 1440 x 900 resolution that the 1210 doesn't have).
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