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Old 02-04-2009, 12:07 AM
jw@eldorado.com
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Default Trouble making music cds

I have two standalone players in my home theater setup.
One is a RCA single disk DVD player. The other is a SONY CDP-CE505
five disk (carousel) CD player. I am trying to burn audio disks on my
XP SP2 computer from .MP3 files. The result is that when I burn a
multi-track (.cda files) CD disk, it will always play on the RCA, but
almost never will play on the SONY. Sometimes it will, however.
I am using Taiyo Yuden and Memorex CD-R's. The program CDSPEED shows
identical disk contents.

This is what I have tried. I added a burner drive to my computer so
that now I have a SONY DRU-180A PATA (IDE) DVD burner and a TSST
SH_S203N SATA DVD burner. I used ITUNES to burn two identical CD
Memorex disks at MAX speeds in the two computer drives. Both play
fine on the computer. Both play fine in the RCA player. Neither play
in the SONY player. I reduced the burn speeds for both drives to a
ridiculous 1X and repeated the test. I got the same results. However,
I accidentally left the one that I burned in the SONY burner in the
SONY player with the latter left on, and suddenly after about 5
minutes, the danged disk started playing! To prove I wasn't seeing
things I repeated the test. and after the same delay the disk played
again! I tried the other duplicate disk in the SONY player, and it
would not play, even after many minutes.

The only thing I can think to try is another computer. I don't have
one right now, but maybe I can assemble one. Think that is worth a
try? Anyone?

Duke
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:16 PM
Mike Richter
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Default Re: Trouble making music cds

jw@eldorado.com wrote:

> This is what I have tried. I added a burner drive to my computer so
> that now I have a SONY DRU-180A PATA (IDE) DVD burner and a TSST
> SH_S203N SATA DVD burner. I used ITUNES to burn two identical CD
> Memorex disks at MAX speeds in the two computer drives. Both play
> fine on the computer. Both play fine in the RCA player. Neither play
> in the SONY player. I reduced the burn speeds for both drives to a
> ridiculous 1X and repeated the test.


There is an optimal burn speed for any combination of drive and medium.
For most modern combinations, that lies in the region of 8x-16x. Try
something in that region for best chance of a good burn which will play
well on most (all?) drives. It may also be worth the effort to try other
media; the most likely to burn well are true Taiyo-Yuden.

Once you find a good combination of speed and medium for your drive,
look for others which may better fit your preferences.

Mike
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Old 02-05-2009, 04:27 PM
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Default Re: Mike Richter's Unadulterated White Lies (error rates)(C1=0)

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:05:24 -0700, smh <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:

>. --------------------------------------
> Mike Richter, were you born with
> "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
> --------------------------------------
>
>Mike Richter spewed:


Actually, it's YOU, and ONLY you, that spews, continually.

AND it's ALL archived, for anyone that is interested in
the steaming pile of dog excrement that's your life.




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Old 02-05-2009, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Trouble making music cds

On 2009-02-04, jw@eldorado.com <jw@eldorado.com> wrote:
> I have two standalone players in my home theater setup.
> One is a RCA single disk DVD player. The other is a SONY CDP-CE505
> five disk (carousel) CD player. I am trying to burn audio disks on my
> XP SP2 computer from .MP3 files. The result is that when I burn a
> multi-track (.cda files) CD disk, it will always play on the RCA, but
> almost never will play on the SONY. Sometimes it will, however.
> I am using Taiyo Yuden and Memorex CD-R's. The program CDSPEED shows
> identical disk contents.
>
> This is what I have tried. I added a burner drive to my computer so
> that now I have a SONY DRU-180A PATA (IDE) DVD burner and a TSST
> SH_S203N SATA DVD burner. I used ITUNES to burn two identical CD
> Memorex disks at MAX speeds in the two computer drives. Both play
> fine on the computer. Both play fine in the RCA player. Neither play
> in the SONY player. I reduced the burn speeds for both drives to a
> ridiculous 1X and repeated the test. I got the same results. However,
> I accidentally left the one that I burned in the SONY burner in the
> SONY player with the latter left on, and suddenly after about 5
> minutes, the danged disk started playing! To prove I wasn't seeing
> things I repeated the test. and after the same delay the disk played
> again! I tried the other duplicate disk in the SONY player, and it
> would not play, even after many minutes.
>
> The only thing I can think to try is another computer. I don't have
> one right now, but maybe I can assemble one. Think that is worth a
> try? Anyone?


Did you burn track at once or disk (session) at once?
Does the sony player have skip protection? If so, turn it off.

That works for me with a sony player I have (though usually the
first track will play).

As far as I can guess,

Burning track at once turns off the laser between tracks.
The in region between tracks you have junk where the laser was
turned off and on. If you rip the file from the CD (many ripping
programmes will rip from the start of one track to the start of
the next including sectors between) you may see junk at the end.

A simple CD player can't stop and backup and doesn't play the
data between tracks. Skip protection players read several sectors
quickly and buffer them. If they don't like it (bad checksums,
bad data) they reread it. If they don't like it they reread ...
Rats.

I generally turn off skip protection which is useful when you
are moving (carrying a player while using it or in a car)
(I have my Sony portable hooked up to an old phongraph).
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:52 PM
Tony
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Default Re: Trouble making music cds

Maybe he's pulling C1 and C2 errors out of his ****.

Mike Richter wrote:

> jw@eldorado.com wrote:
>
> > This is what I have tried. I added a burner drive to my computer so
> > that now I have a SONY DRU-180A PATA (IDE) DVD burner and a TSST
> > SH_S203N SATA DVD burner. I used ITUNES to burn two identical CD
> > Memorex disks at MAX speeds in the two computer drives. Both play
> > fine on the computer. Both play fine in the RCA player. Neither play
> > in the SONY player. I reduced the burn speeds for both drives to a
> > ridiculous 1X and repeated the test.

>
> There is an optimal burn speed for any combination of drive and medium.
> For most modern combinations, that lies in the region of 8x-16x. Try
> something in that region for best chance of a good burn which will play
> well on most (all?) drives. It may also be worth the effort to try other
> media; the most likely to burn well are true Taiyo-Yuden.
>
> Once you find a good combination of speed and medium for your drive,
> look for others which may better fit your preferences.
>
> Mike
> --
> mrichter@cpl.net
> http://www.mrichter.com/


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Old 02-06-2009, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: Mike Richter, Digging C1 Errors out of *******?

On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:19:10 -0700, smh <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:

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Old 02-06-2009, 10:14 PM
Allen
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Default Re: Mike Richter's Unadulterated White Lies (error rates)(C1=0)

The Other Guy wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:05:24 -0700, smh <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:
>
>> . --------------------------------------
>> Mike Richter, were you born with
>> "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
>> --------------------------------------
>>
>> Mike Richter spewed:

>
> Actually, it's YOU, and ONLY you, that spews, continually.
>
> AND it's ALL archived, for anyone that is interested in
> the steaming pile of dog excrement that's your life.
>
>
>
>
> To reply by email, lose the Ks...
>

Please, put him in your killfile and don't give him the pleasure of
seeing your comments. Everyone who reads this group recognizes him for
the psychopath he his. By repeating any part of his posts you are
playing his game.
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Old 02-07-2009, 07:22 AM
Mike Richter
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Default Re: Trouble making music cds

Tony wrote:
> Maybe he's pulling C1 and C2 errors out of his ****.


My Plexwriter PX-810SA does a better job.

Mike
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