I have a small portable CD burner that accepts flash memory cards, meant
primarily to transfer photos from an SD card to a CD-R, which it does well.
However, I digitally record classical music on a small recorder (WAV-)
which also uses SD cards. When I transfer the music to a CD-R with this
portable CD burner, the CD plays well on my PC. When I attempt to play
it on my stereo system's CD player, it does not accept the disc. I then
tried copying the music from the CD-R to my PC's hard drive, (Vista Home
Premium), and then burning a CD-R from the H.D. in my PC. That CD-R does
play on my stereo system, but the music sounds thin and fluttery and
unclear. The support tech at the portable unit states that the music on
the CD-R from his unit is in folders, and can only play on a player that
recognizes folders.
Is there any software that will change the music on the H.D., so that a
resultant CD-R will play on standard CD players?
In article <48cdcac2$0$18966$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Morton <mort@cloud9.net> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have a small portable CD burner that accepts flash memory cards, meant
>primarily to transfer photos from an SD card to a CD-R, which it does well.
>
>However, I digitally record classical music on a small recorder (WAV-)
>which also uses SD cards. When I transfer the music to a CD-R with this
>portable CD burner, the CD plays well on my PC. When I attempt to play
>it on my stereo system's CD player, it does not accept the disc. I then
>tried copying the music from the CD-R to my PC's hard drive, (Vista Home
>Premium), and then burning a CD-R from the H.D. in my PC. That CD-R does
>play on my stereo system, but the music sounds thin and fluttery and
>unclear. The support tech at the portable unit states that the music on
>the CD-R from his unit is in folders, and can only play on a player that
>recognizes folders.
The folder issue is true, but not the root issue.
Most audio CD players will only play discs in audio CD format.
The discs you are creating are DATA discs containing files (and folders
too, but that is incidental to the primary issue).
>Is there any software that will change the music on the H.D., so that a
>resultant CD-R will play on standard CD players?
Just about any CD mastering program, including many freebies, will do
this. The task you want to do is to CREATE AN AUDIO CD.
Deepburner, CD Burner XP, Burnatonce, Imgburn, are some of the popular
freeware offerings.
smh wrote:
> . --------------------------------------
> Mike Richter, were you born with
> "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
> --------------------------------------
> http://tinyurl.com/gqnae
>
> (No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above )
> (is a LIBEL -- despite Mikey claimed to have PROOF of libels!)
> '
>
> Morton wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a small portable CD burner that accepts flash memory cards, meant
>> primarily to transfer photos from an SD card to a CD-R, which it does well.
>>
>> However, I digitally record classical music on a small recorder (WAV-)
>> which also uses SD cards. When I transfer the music to a CD-R with this
>> portable CD burner, the CD plays well on my PC.
>
> That cd-r is a data disc. Windows Explorer will list *.wav as the disc
> content.
>
>> When I attempt to play
>> it on my stereo system's CD player, it does not accept the disc.
>
> Your stereo cd player plays audio disc in cd-da (cd digital audio)
> format.
>
>> I then
>> tried copying the music from the CD-R to my PC's hard drive, (Vista Home
>> Premium),
>
> Did you use Windows Media Player? Please list the steps you used to burn
> from the time you inserted a blank disc.
>
>> and then burning a CD-R from the H.D. in my PC. That CD-R does
>> play on my stereo system,
>
> Apparently you burned an audio disc by converting .wav to cd-da format.
> (Windows Explorer will list something like Track01.cda.)
>
>> but the music sounds thin and fluttery and
>> unclear.
>
> If the original does not have the problem, then the burn process messed
> it up. Again what were the steps?
>
>> The support tech at the portable unit states that the music on
>> the CD-R from his unit is in folders, and can only play on a player that
>> recognizes folders.
>>
>> Is there any software that will change the music on the H.D., so that a
>> resultant CD-R will play on standard CD players?
>
> Windows Media Player has the capability.
>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Morton
Hi smh and Mike,
Thanks for the replies. In the field, I burned a CD-R of the music from
my digital recorder's SD card.As I said, that CD-R plays in my PC's CVD
player, but not in my audio system's CD player.
Next, I copied that CD-R to my PC's hard drive. Then , utilizing Roxio
Creator Suite, I created an audio CD-R from the hard drive. That CD-R
does play on my audio stereo system, but the music is harsh, fluttery,
and without body. There is a mismatch somewhere.
When I copy the SD card's music from my digital recorder directly to the
H.D., then burn a CD-R, that works just fine. When the source is a CD-R
from the portable CD-R burner, it does not.
I would like very much to be able to burn a CD-R in the field, of
recorded music, as a backup, and have a CD-R that really plays in my
audio system.
smh wrote:
> Morton wrote:
>> smh wrote:
>>> . --------------------------------------
>>> Mike Richter, were you born with
>>> "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> http://tinyurl.com/gqnae
>>>
>>> (No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above )
>>> (is a LIBEL -- despite Mikey claimed to have PROOF of libels!)
>>> '
>>>
>>> Morton wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have a small portable CD burner that accepts flash memory cards, meant
>>>> primarily to transfer photos from an SD card to a CD-R, which it does well.
>>>>
>>>> However, I digitally record classical music on a small recorder (WAV-)
>>>> which also uses SD cards. When I transfer the music to a CD-R with this
>>>> portable CD burner, the CD plays well on my PC.
>>> That cd-r is a data disc. Windows Explorer will list *.wav as the disc
>>> content.
>>>
>>>> When I attempt to play
>>>> it on my stereo system's CD player, it does not accept the disc.
>>> Your stereo cd player plays audio disc in cd-da (cd digital audio)
>>> format.
>>>
>>>> I then
>>>> tried copying the music from the CD-R to my PC's hard drive, (Vista Home
>>>> Premium),
>>> Did you use Windows Media Player? Please list the steps you used to burn
>>> from the time you inserted a blank disc.
>>>
>>>> and then burning a CD-R from the H.D. in my PC. That CD-R does
>>>> play on my stereo system,
>>> Apparently you burned an audio disc by converting .wav to cd-da format.
>>> (Windows Explorer will list something like Track01.cda.)
>>>
>>>> but the music sounds thin and fluttery and
>>>> unclear.
>>> If the original does not have the problem, then the burn process messed
>>> it up. Again what were the steps?
>>>
>>>> The support tech at the portable unit states that the music on
>>>> the CD-R from his unit is in folders, and can only play on a player that
>>>> recognizes folders.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any software that will change the music on the H.D., so that a
>>>> resultant CD-R will play on standard CD players?
>>> Windows Media Player has the capability.
>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Morton
>> Hi smh and Mike,
>>
>> Thanks for the replies. In the field, I burned a CD-R of the music from
>> my digital recorder's SD card.As I said, that CD-R plays in my PC's CVD
>> player, but not in my audio system's CD player.
>>
>> Next, I copied that CD-R to my PC's hard drive. Then , utilizing Roxio
>> Creator Suite, I created an audio CD-R from the hard drive. That CD-R
>> does play on my audio stereo system, but the music is harsh, fluttery,
>> and without body. There is a mismatch somewhere.
>>
>> When I copy the SD card's music from my digital recorder directly to the
>> H.D., then burn a CD-R, that works just fine. When the source is a CD-R
>> from the portable CD-R burner, it does not.
>>
>> I would like very much to be able to burn a CD-R in the field, of
>> recorded music, as a backup, and have a CD-R that really plays in my
>> audio system.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Morton
>
> What's the make and model number of the portable cd-r burner and digital
> recorder?
EZ DigiMagic, and Roland Edirol R-09.
>
> What are the extensions of the file in SD, hard disk, cd-r burned from
> the digital recorder, and cd-r burned with Roxio?
smh wrote:
> . --------------------------------------
> Mike Richter, were you born with
> "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
> --------------------------------------
> http://tinyurl.com/gqnae
>
> (No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above )
> (is a LIBEL -- despite Mikey claimed to have PROOF of libels!)
> '
>
> Morton wrote:
>> smh wrote:
>>> Morton wrote:
>>>> Hi smh and Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the replies. In the field, I burned a CD-R of the music from
>>>> my digital recorder's SD card.As I said, that CD-R plays in my PC's CVD
>>>> player, but not in my audio system's CD player.
>>>>
>>>> Next, I copied that CD-R to my PC's hard drive. Then , utilizing Roxio
>>>> Creator Suite, I created an audio CD-R from the hard drive. That CD-R
>>>> does play on my audio stereo system, but the music is harsh, fluttery,
>>>> and without body. There is a mismatch somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> When I copy the SD card's music from my digital recorder directly to the
>>>> H.D., then burn a CD-R, that works just fine. When the source is a CD-R
>>>> from the portable CD-R burner, it does not.
>>>>
>>>> I would like very much to be able to burn a CD-R in the field, of
>>>> recorded music, as a backup, and have a CD-R that really plays in my
>>>> audio system.
>>>>
>>> What are the extensions of the file in SD, hard disk, cd-r burned from
>>> the digital recorder, and cd-r burned with Roxio?
>> I do not know. How do I find out?
>
> Insert SD and/or CD (and exit Auto-run/play).
>
> Click Start button and type "explorer" (without the quotes). Several
> programs will be listed under Programs. Select Windows Explorer and hit
> Enter to open it.
>
> In Tools menu, choose Folder Options. Click View tab and uncheck 'Hide
> extensions for known file types'. Click OK.
>
> In the left pane, double-click "Computer". This will list all the
> drives. Select the drive you want to explore. Right pane will list files
> (and folders). When you select a file in the right pane, full filename
> will be displayed including the extension.
>
>>> What's the make and model number of the portable cd-r burner and digital
>>> recorder?
>> EZ DigiMagic, and Roland Edirol R-09.
>
> R-09: WAVE/MP3 Recorder.
> 24-bit/48kHz (or 44.1kHz)
> Up to 320kbps MP3
>
> If the file extension of cd-r is .cda, Roxio converted 24-bit to 16-bit
> and that conversion must be the source of losing fidelity (although they
> say the conversion does not lose much).
>
> Conversion from 24bit to 16bit
> Audacity
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/
>
> If the file extension of cd-r is .mp3, you need to find out the bit rate
> used by the recorder. Play the Recorder file (in SD?) in Windows Media
> Player, File menu, Properties. It will show the bit rate. Next find out
> where you can specify the bit rate in Roxio and set the bit rate to that
> of the mp3 file.
>
> (Audio cd: 16-bit/44.1kHz/stereo)
> (cd quality: 128kbps)
Hi,
I record with the digital recorder at CD book specs = 16 bit and 44.1
khz. As I said, when I burn a CD-R via my PC from the recorder's SD
card, the music is great. When I burn a CD-R using the portable CD
burner, it does not play on my stereo system but does play on my PC. If
I copy that CD-R to my hard drive and then burn a new CD-R, the music is
tinny and weird-sounding.
smh wrote:
> Morton wrote:
>> smh wrote:
>>> . --------------------------------------
>>> Mike Richter, were you born with
>>> "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> http://tinyurl.com/gqnae
>>>
>>> (No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above )
>>> (is a LIBEL -- despite Mikey claimed to have PROOF of libels!)
>>> '
>>>
>>> Morton wrote:
>>>> smh wrote:
>>>>> Morton wrote:
>>>>>> Hi smh and Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the replies. In the field, I burned a CD-R of the music from
>>>>>> my digital recorder's SD card.As I said, that CD-R plays in my PC's CVD
>>>>>> player, but not in my audio system's CD player.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next, I copied that CD-R to my PC's hard drive. Then , utilizing Roxio
>>>>>> Creator Suite, I created an audio CD-R from the hard drive. That CD-R
>>>>>> does play on my audio stereo system, but the music is harsh, fluttery,
>>>>>> and without body. There is a mismatch somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I copy the SD card's music from my digital recorder directly to the
>>>>>> H.D., then burn a CD-R, that works just fine. When the source is a CD-R
>>>>>> from the portable CD-R burner, it does not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like very much to be able to burn a CD-R in the field, of
>>>>>> recorded music, as a backup, and have a CD-R that really plays in my
>>>>>> audio system.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What are the extensions of the file in SD, hard disk, cd-r burned from
>>>>> the digital recorder, and cd-r burned with Roxio?
>>>> I do not know. How do I find out?
>>> Insert SD and/or CD (and exit Auto-run/play).
>>>
>>> Click Start button and type "explorer" (without the quotes). Several
>>> programs will be listed under Programs. Select Windows Explorer and hit
>>> Enter to open it.
>>>
>>> In Tools menu, choose Folder Options. Click View tab and uncheck 'Hide
>>> extensions for known file types'. Click OK.
>>>
>>> In the left pane, double-click "Computer". This will list all the
>>> drives. Select the drive you want to explore. Right pane will list files
>>> (and folders). When you select a file in the right pane, full filename
>>> will be displayed including the extension.
>>>
>>>>> What's the make and model number of the portable cd-r burner and digital
>>>>> recorder?
>>>> EZ DigiMagic, and Roland Edirol R-09.
>>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I record with the digital recorder at CD book specs = 16 bit and 44.1
>> khz. As I said, when I burn a CD-R via my PC from the recorder's SD
>> card, the music is great. When I burn a CD-R using the portable CD
>> burner, it does not play on my stereo system but does play on my PC. If
>> I copy that CD-R to my hard drive and then burn a new CD-R, the music is
>> tinny and weird-sounding.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Morton
>
> In detail, what are the steps you followed burning to cd-r with the
> portable cd burner?
1) Turn on portable CD burner
2) Insert locked SD card into burner
3) Insert blank CD-R into burner
4) Push start button
5) Take out finished CD-R.
smh wrote:
> Morton wrote:
>> smh wrote:
>>> Morton wrote:
>>>> smh wrote:
>>>>> . --------------------------------------
>>>>> Mike Richter, were you born with
>>>>> "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/gqnae
>>>>>
>>>>> (No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above )
>>>>> (is a LIBEL -- despite Mikey claimed to have PROOF of libels!)
>>>>> '
>>>>>
>>>>> Morton wrote:
>>>>>> smh wrote:
>>>>>>> Morton wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi smh and Mike,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the replies. In the field, I burned a CD-R of the music from
>>>>>>>> my digital recorder's SD card.As I said, that CD-R plays in my PC's CVD
>>>>>>>> player, but not in my audio system's CD player.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next, I copied that CD-R to my PC's hard drive. Then , utilizing Roxio
>>>>>>>> Creator Suite, I created an audio CD-R from the hard drive. That CD-R
>>>>>>>> does play on my audio stereo system, but the music is harsh, fluttery,
>>>>>>>> and without body. There is a mismatch somewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I copy the SD card's music from my digital recorder directly to the
>>>>>>>> H.D., then burn a CD-R, that works just fine. When the source is a CD-R
>>>>>>>> from the portable CD-R burner, it does not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like very much to be able to burn a CD-R in the field, of
>>>>>>>> recorded music, as a backup, and have a CD-R that really plays in my
>>>>>>>> audio system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are the extensions of the file in SD, hard disk, cd-r burned from
>>>>>>> the digital recorder, and cd-r burned with Roxio?
>>>>>> I do not know. How do I find out?
>>>>> Insert SD and/or CD (and exit Auto-run/play).
>>>>>
>>>>> Click Start button and type "explorer" (without the quotes). Several
>>>>> programs will be listed under Programs. Select Windows Explorer and hit
>>>>> Enter to open it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Tools menu, choose Folder Options. Click View tab and uncheck 'Hide
>>>>> extensions for known file types'. Click OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the left pane, double-click "Computer". This will list all the
>>>>> drives. Select the drive you want to explore. Right pane will list files
>>>>> (and folders). When you select a file in the right pane, full filename
>>>>> will be displayed including the extension.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's the make and model number of the portable cd-r burner and digital
>>>>>>> recorder?
>>>>>> EZ DigiMagic, and Roland Edirol R-09.
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I record with the digital recorder at CD book specs = 16 bit and 44.1
>>>> khz. As I said, when I burn a CD-R via my PC from the recorder's SD
>>>> card, the music is great. When I burn a CD-R using the portable CD
>>>> burner, it does not play on my stereo system but does play on my PC. If
>>>> I copy that CD-R to my hard drive and then burn a new CD-R, the music is
>>>> tinny and weird-sounding.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> Morton
>>> In detail, what are the steps you followed burning to cd-r with the
>>> portable cd burner?
>> 1) Turn on portable CD burner
>> 2) Insert locked SD card into burner
>> 3) Insert blank CD-R into burner
>> 4) Push start button
>> 5) Take out finished CD-R.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Morton
>
> Was hoping you open some software.
No, it's all automatic. That's good for photos, but apparently not good
for music.
Thanks again.
Morton
>
> Install IsoBuster. Insert the cd-r and open IsoBuster. Report back what
> IsoBuster lists in left and right panes. Left pane lists file systems
> and the right pane lists folders and files.
> http://www.isobuster.com
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:31:18 -0700, smh <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:
>> > What are the extensions of the file in SD, hard disk, cd-r burned from
>> > the digital recorder, and cd-r burned with Roxio?
>>
>> I do not know. How do I find out?
>
>Insert SD and/or CD (and exit Auto-run/play).
>
>Click Start button and type "explorer" (without the quotes). Several
>programs will be listed under Programs. Select Windows Explorer and hit
>Enter to open it.
>
>In Tools menu, choose Folder Options. Click View tab and uncheck 'Hide
>extensions for known file types'. Click OK.
>
>In the left pane, double-click "Computer". This will list all the
>drives. Select the drive you want to explore. Right pane will list files
>(and folders). When you select a file in the right pane, full filename
>will be displayed including the extension.
Morton, unless I missed it, you haven't answered the question about
filename extensions on the various media. I've got a feeling that's
the key to the mystery.
smh wrote:
> . --------------------------------------
> Mike Richter, were you born with
> "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
> --------------------------------------
> http://tinyurl.com/gqnae
>
> (No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above )
> (is a LIBEL -- despite Mikey claimed to have PROOF of libels!)
> '
>
> Noik wrote:
>> smh wrote:
>>
>>>>> What are the extensions of the file in SD, hard disk, cd-r burned from
>>>>> the digital recorder, and cd-r burned with Roxio?
>>>> I do not know. How do I find out?
>>> Insert SD and/or CD (and exit Auto-run/play).
>>>
>>> Click Start button and type "explorer" (without the quotes). Several
>>> programs will be listed under Programs. Select Windows Explorer and hit
>>> Enter to open it.
>>>
>>> In Tools menu, choose Folder Options. Click View tab and uncheck 'Hide
>>> extensions for known file types'. Click OK.
>>>
>>> In the left pane, double-click "Computer". This will list all the
>>> drives. Select the drive you want to explore. Right pane will list files
>>> (and folders). When you select a file in the right pane, full filename
>>> will be displayed including the extension.
>> Morton, unless I missed it, you haven't answered the question about
>> filename extensions on the various media. I've got a feeling that's
>> the key to the mystery.
>
> Don't think Morton wants to know the answer.
>
> Anyway, the only thing that somewhat makes sense is that the recorder
> records as mp3 in SD and then the portable burner burns the mp3 under a
> folder. When the mp3 is copied to the hard disk and then the mp3 is
> burned by Roxio as audio cd by decoding the mp3. Think problem source is
> the decoding process. What's at fault may be determined when the bit
> rate of the mp3 is known.
Hi SMH,
No, no, no. I told you a few times that the recorder that I use is set
by me to record WAV. at CD book standards = 16 bit and 44.1 khz. I am
not recording at MP3. I am recording at 16/44.1, and burning at 16/44.1.
I will look up the file extensions as soon as I have the time to do so,
and then post them.
(My wife is legally blind, diabetic, etc., and requires my constant
attention.)
Thanks to all for your suggestions, and I obviously do want to know the
answer.
Morton
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:56:35 -0700, smh <nospam@nospam.org> wrote:
>Anyway, the only thing that somewhat makes sense is that the recorder
>records as mp3 in SD and then the portable burner burns the mp3 under a
>folder. When the mp3 is copied to the hard disk and then the mp3 is
>burned by Roxio as audio cd by decoding the mp3. Think problem source is
>the decoding process. What's at fault may be determined when the bit
>rate of the mp3 is known.
Decoding Mp3 is what all Mp3 players do, and there's really no
reason to think that *any* Mp3 decoder (not even Roxio's) would mangle
an Mp3 the way he describes. My guess would be that the portable
burner is creating CD-Audio, and that things are getting mangled by
the DAE (Digital Audio Extraction for Morton's benefit). Audio CDs
can't be copied like data CDs, the error checking isn't there. A
somewhat crappy CD-A burn by the portable burner combined with crappy
DAE might account for what he's seeing (if I haven't lost track of
things).
Problem Playing Back Music CD-Rs 
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