I just bought the above card (Sapphire 100171L X1950PRO 512MB). Card is
a AGP card.
Bought this PSU, Xigmatek NRP-MC751 750watt. It has 4 12v rails @ 18amp
each.
I tried the card and PSU in my gaming machine, a DFI UltraInfinity NFII
board with a AMD XP-mobile processer clocked to 2420Mhz and a FSB of
220Mhz (220x11) and 1GB RAM. PC also has 1 WD 35GB Raptor Sata drive,
Samsung 40GB IDE drive, IDE DVD drive, floppy drive, 12v water pump (PC
is H2O cooled) and 2 120mm fans & 2 80mm fans. Monitor is a Samsung 22"
LCD (SyncMaster 2253bw).
With the new video card and PSU I could get the PC to post & boot, but
erratically. It would not consistently restart whether cold or soft
reboot. Sometimes the cards cooling fan would speed up & stay at a high
RPM. I also noticed the HD LED blinking. 2 blinks then a pause, then repeat.
The current card in this PC is a Asus AX800VIVO (flashed to open all
pipelines) and it works quite fine. Either with the new PSU or my older
500watt one.
I switched the video card & PSU to a Home Theater PC I am building (this
is where I want to transplant the AX800VIVO). This is a Asus PC-DL with
2 2.4Ghz Xeons and 2GB RAM. It is running at 2.47Ghz with a FSB of 165
(165x15). PC also has 4 hard drives (2 SATA, 2 IDE), 1 IDE DVD drive, 1
floppy/memory card combo drive, 2 120mm fans, 1 80mm fan and a small
NorthBridge fan. There is also a 5.25" Drive Bay breakout box; Fan
controller/USB/FireWire/Temperature Display. Monitor is 32" LCD TV and I
am using a DVI to HDMI cable.
The card behaves better in this PC, the reboot/reset problem persists,
but not quite as severe. The PC will restart out of windows and cold
boot. It will not reset after exiting the BIOS or using the reset button
to soft reboot. If I disconnect the 2 SATA drives the symptoms seem to
improve with reset out of the BIOS possible and also using the reset
button. This somewhat supports the PSU just not having enough juice ?
When this PC fails to restart/reboot I noticed that the HD LED does NOT
blink like it did on the DFI board. It just goes off (the LED).
Sorry for the novel & hope it all makes sense.
So is this just a case of the new PSU just being to wimpy to run the
card in the DFI setup and just on the dodgy side in the ASUS ?
18amp on the 12v rails just not enough ?
Or, is there a compatability problem with the DFI board ?
Or, card does not like 220FSB on the DFI (did not try a lower FSB) ?
Or, bad card ? (I would like the card to work since AGP has been off'ed
& I have no plans to upgrade my stuff any further at this point)
Card was a open box from newegg so I only a few days to decide to
whether or not to RMA.
On May 23, 2:14*pm, KingsHead <A...@AAA.NET> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just bought the above card (Sapphire 100171L X1950PRO 512MB). Card is
> a AGP card.
> Bought this PSU, Xigmatek NRP-MC751 750watt. It has 4 12v rails @ 18amp
> each.
>
> I tried the card and PSU in my gaming machine, a DFI UltraInfinity NFII
> board with a AMD XP-mobile processer clocked to 2420Mhz and a FSB of
> 220Mhz (220x11) and 1GB RAM. PC also has 1 WD 35GB Raptor Sata drive,
> Samsung 40GB IDE drive, IDE DVD drive, floppy drive, 12v water pump (PC
> is H2O cooled) and 2 120mm fans & 2 80mm fans. Monitor is a Samsung 22"
> LCD (SyncMaster 2253bw).
> With the new video card and PSU I could get the PC to post & boot, but
> erratically. It would not consistently restart whether cold or soft
> reboot. Sometimes the cards cooling fan would speed up & stay at a high
> RPM. I also noticed the HD LED blinking. 2 blinks then a pause, then repeat.
> The current card in this PC is a Asus AX800VIVO (flashed to open all
> pipelines) and it works quite fine. Either with the new PSU or my older
> 500watt one.
>
> I switched the video card & PSU to a Home Theater PC I am building (this
> is where I want to transplant the AX800VIVO). This is a Asus PC-DL with
> 2 2.4Ghz Xeons and 2GB RAM. It is running at 2.47Ghz with a FSB of 165
> (165x15). PC also has 4 hard drives (2 SATA, 2 IDE), 1 IDE DVD drive, 1
> floppy/memory card combo drive, 2 120mm fans, 1 80mm fan and a small
> NorthBridge fan. There is also a 5.25" Drive Bay breakout box; Fan
> controller/USB/FireWire/Temperature Display. Monitor is 32" LCD TV and I
> am using a DVI to HDMI cable.
> The card behaves better in this PC, the reboot/reset problem persists,
> but not quite as severe. The PC will restart out of windows and cold
> boot. It will not reset after exiting the BIOS or using the reset button
> * to soft reboot. If I disconnect the 2 SATA drives the symptoms seem to
> improve with reset out of the BIOS possible and also using the reset
> button. This somewhat supports the PSU just not having enough juice ?
> When this PC fails to restart/reboot I noticed that the HD LED does NOT
> blink like it did on the DFI board. It just goes off (the LED).
>
> Sorry for the novel & hope it all makes sense.
> So is this just a case of the new PSU just being to wimpy to run the
> card in the DFI setup and just on the dodgy side in the ASUS ?
> 18amp on the 12v rails just not enough ?
> Or, is there a compatability problem with the DFI board ?
> Or, card does not like 220FSB on the DFI (did not try a lower FSB) ?
> Or, bad card ? (I would like the card to work since AGP has been off'ed
> & I have no plans to upgrade my stuff any further at this point)
>
> Card was a open box from newegg so I only a few days to decide to
> whether or not to RMA.
>
> Thanks for any input
Not sure but....
For reference, I have a computer with 2 Xeon 3.2 processors, 1 IDE HD,
1 IDE DVDRW, 2 SATA drives, floppy and an ATI x1900 XT PCIe card. My
PSU is only 550 watts (Dell specific to Precision chassis) and has a
PCI power connector with 150 watts/30 amps dedicated to the PCIexpress
card. Don't have any issues.
Does the manual for the card not mention the power draw?
I had issues with a previous card with a marginal PSU before, but it
never caused a windows crash. Instead, it would run ok with basic
windows functions, but fail when running a 3D game. But failure would
be a reset of the ATI driver (black screen, pause then return to
desktop).
I don't think its the overall power of the PSU, it may have to do with
the amount of power going into the Video card itself.
James wrote:
> On May 23, 2:14 pm, KingsHead <A...@AAA.NET> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just bought the above card (Sapphire 100171L X1950PRO 512MB). Card is
>> a AGP card.
>> Bought this PSU, Xigmatek NRP-MC751 750watt. It has 4 12v rails @ 18amp
>> each.
>>
>> I tried the card and PSU in my gaming machine, a DFI UltraInfinity NFII
>> board with a AMD XP-mobile processer clocked to 2420Mhz and a FSB of
>> 220Mhz (220x11) and 1GB RAM. PC also has 1 WD 35GB Raptor Sata drive,
>> Samsung 40GB IDE drive, IDE DVD drive, floppy drive, 12v water pump (PC
>> is H2O cooled) and 2 120mm fans & 2 80mm fans. Monitor is a Samsung 22"
>> LCD (SyncMaster 2253bw).
>> With the new video card and PSU I could get the PC to post & boot, but
>> erratically. It would not consistently restart whether cold or soft
>> reboot. Sometimes the cards cooling fan would speed up & stay at a high
>> RPM. I also noticed the HD LED blinking. 2 blinks then a pause, then repeat.
>> The current card in this PC is a Asus AX800VIVO (flashed to open all
>> pipelines) and it works quite fine. Either with the new PSU or my older
>> 500watt one.
>>
>> I switched the video card & PSU to a Home Theater PC I am building (this
>> is where I want to transplant the AX800VIVO). This is a Asus PC-DL with
>> 2 2.4Ghz Xeons and 2GB RAM. It is running at 2.47Ghz with a FSB of 165
>> (165x15). PC also has 4 hard drives (2 SATA, 2 IDE), 1 IDE DVD drive, 1
>> floppy/memory card combo drive, 2 120mm fans, 1 80mm fan and a small
>> NorthBridge fan. There is also a 5.25" Drive Bay breakout box; Fan
>> controller/USB/FireWire/Temperature Display. Monitor is 32" LCD TV and I
>> am using a DVI to HDMI cable.
>> The card behaves better in this PC, the reboot/reset problem persists,
>> but not quite as severe. The PC will restart out of windows and cold
>> boot. It will not reset after exiting the BIOS or using the reset button
>> to soft reboot. If I disconnect the 2 SATA drives the symptoms seem to
>> improve with reset out of the BIOS possible and also using the reset
>> button. This somewhat supports the PSU just not having enough juice ?
>> When this PC fails to restart/reboot I noticed that the HD LED does NOT
>> blink like it did on the DFI board. It just goes off (the LED).
>>
>> Sorry for the novel & hope it all makes sense.
>> So is this just a case of the new PSU just being to wimpy to run the
>> card in the DFI setup and just on the dodgy side in the ASUS ?
>> 18amp on the 12v rails just not enough ?
>> Or, is there a compatability problem with the DFI board ?
>> Or, card does not like 220FSB on the DFI (did not try a lower FSB) ?
>> Or, bad card ? (I would like the card to work since AGP has been off'ed
>> & I have no plans to upgrade my stuff any further at this point)
>>
>> Card was a open box from newegg so I only a few days to decide to
>> whether or not to RMA.
>>
>> Thanks for any input
>
> Not sure but....
>
> For reference, I have a computer with 2 Xeon 3.2 processors, 1 IDE HD,
> 1 IDE DVDRW, 2 SATA drives, floppy and an ATI x1900 XT PCIe card. My
> PSU is only 550 watts (Dell specific to Precision chassis) and has a
> PCI power connector with 150 watts/30 amps dedicated to the PCIexpress
> card. Don't have any issues.
>
> Does the manual for the card not mention the power draw?
>
> I had issues with a previous card with a marginal PSU before, but it
> never caused a windows crash. Instead, it would run ok with basic
> windows functions, but fail when running a 3D game. But failure would
> be a reset of the ATI driver (black screen, pause then return to
> desktop).
>
> I don't think its the overall power of the PSU, it may have to do with
> the amount of power going into the Video card itself.
>
> James
>
Hi James,
Thanks for your input. Card was openbox from newegg; just the driver CD.
From what I have gathered on the web the X1950PRO 512MB(AGP) is a power
hog. Just how much I do not know lol. Guess I am finding out.
The both PC's have run fine when they boot into XP. No crashes.
The problem is in the initial Post/Boot of the PC or exiting the BIOS I
will get a no post. This is especially true for the DFI/AMD board.
The ASUS board is now appearing to run fine. I have everything hooked up
and have done any number of boots, re-boots and BIOS re-settings. All
appears to be fine. Just installed the ATI driver.
It appears (at this point) that the card is okay when in the ASUS
PC-DL/Intel board with the Xigmatek PSU but is dodgy to failing in the
DFI/AMD board with the same PSU.
Is this due to:
The overclock ? The FSB (I am pretty sure the AGP is locked)?
The overclock, combine with the HD's/DVD/H2O pump to much of a draw for
the PSU ?
I think that your thinking of the amount of power to the card is
correct. I am going to look at redoing the power cabling, but for now I
am going to let it run a bit in the ASUS PC-DL to make sure the card is
good. It just went through a 3dMark03 run with a score of 14172. It is
now in the BIOS hardware monitor. I am thinking the card is good, but a
power pig and needs to be cabled accordingly.
Bummed that a new 750watt PSU may not be enough to run it in my DFI board.
On 23 May 2008 13:14:02 -0500, KingsHead <AAA@AAA.NET> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I just bought the above card (Sapphire 100171L X1950PRO 512MB). Card is
>a AGP card.
>Bought this PSU, Xigmatek NRP-MC751 750watt. It has 4 12v rails @ 18amp
>each.
>
>I tried the card and PSU in my gaming machine, a DFI UltraInfinity NFII
>board with a AMD XP-mobile processer clocked to 2420Mhz and a FSB of
>220Mhz (220x11) and 1GB RAM. PC also has 1 WD 35GB Raptor Sata drive,
>Samsung 40GB IDE drive, IDE DVD drive, floppy drive, 12v water pump (PC
>is H2O cooled) and 2 120mm fans & 2 80mm fans. Monitor is a Samsung 22"
>LCD (SyncMaster 2253bw).
>With the new video card and PSU I could get the PC to post & boot, but
>erratically. It would not consistently restart whether cold or soft
>reboot. Sometimes the cards cooling fan would speed up & stay at a high
>RPM. I also noticed the HD LED blinking. 2 blinks then a pause, then repeat.
>The current card in this PC is a Asus AX800VIVO (flashed to open all
>pipelines) and it works quite fine. Either with the new PSU or my older
>500watt one.
>
>I switched the video card & PSU to a Home Theater PC I am building (this
>is where I want to transplant the AX800VIVO). This is a Asus PC-DL with
>2 2.4Ghz Xeons and 2GB RAM. It is running at 2.47Ghz with a FSB of 165
>(165x15). PC also has 4 hard drives (2 SATA, 2 IDE), 1 IDE DVD drive, 1
>floppy/memory card combo drive, 2 120mm fans, 1 80mm fan and a small
>NorthBridge fan. There is also a 5.25" Drive Bay breakout box; Fan
>controller/USB/FireWire/Temperature Display. Monitor is 32" LCD TV and I
>am using a DVI to HDMI cable.
>The card behaves better in this PC, the reboot/reset problem persists,
>but not quite as severe. The PC will restart out of windows and cold
>boot. It will not reset after exiting the BIOS or using the reset button
> to soft reboot. If I disconnect the 2 SATA drives the symptoms seem to
>improve with reset out of the BIOS possible and also using the reset
>button. This somewhat supports the PSU just not having enough juice ?
>When this PC fails to restart/reboot I noticed that the HD LED does NOT
>blink like it did on the DFI board. It just goes off (the LED).
>
>Sorry for the novel & hope it all makes sense.
>So is this just a case of the new PSU just being to wimpy to run the
>card in the DFI setup and just on the dodgy side in the ASUS ?
>18amp on the 12v rails just not enough ?
>Or, is there a compatability problem with the DFI board ?
>Or, card does not like 220FSB on the DFI (did not try a lower FSB) ?
>Or, bad card ? (I would like the card to work since AGP has been off'ed
>& I have no plans to upgrade my stuff any further at this point)
>
>Card was a open box from newegg so I only a few days to decide to
>whether or not to RMA.
>
>Thanks for any input
>
The only thing I had to do to get the card to run without crashing was
uprade my PSU to a 550W with 30amp on the 12V rail....But it never did
what yours is doing....
> Thanks for your input. Card was openbox from newegg; just the driver CD.
I think I see your problem.
>Is this due to:
>The overclock ? The FSB (I am pretty sure the AGP is locked)?
>The overclock, combine with the HD's/DVD/H2O pump to much of a draw for the
>PSU ?
>Bummed that a new 750watt PSU may not be enough to run it in my DFI board.
I can assure you that your power supply is far above and beyond what you
require. Your card is faulty.
Augustus wrote:
>> Thanks for your input. Card was openbox from newegg; just the driver CD.
>
> I think I see your problem.
>
>> Is this due to:
>> The overclock ? The FSB (I am pretty sure the AGP is locked)?
>> The overclock, combine with the HD's/DVD/H2O pump to much of a draw for the
>> PSU ?
>> Bummed that a new 750watt PSU may not be enough to run it in my DFI board.
>
> I can assure you that your power supply is far above and beyond what you
> require. Your card is faulty.
>
>
Card seems to work well in the ASUS PC-DL board. It has rebooted from
both windows & BIOS as well as multiple cold starts. Has run 3dMark01,
03 & 05. ATI Tray tool benchmark runs fine. Drivers installed fine. The
only thing that it will not do is a soft reset using the reset button.
Based on this the card seems fine in the ASUS board. I am going to run
some 3dmark03 loops & see how that goes. If that goes okay then I have
to conclude that the card is okay but that there is some issue with the
DFI/AMD board that the card does not like. But what ?
> Card seems to work well in the ASUS PC-DL board. It has rebooted from both
> windows & BIOS as well as multiple cold starts. Has run 3dMark01, 03 & 05.
> ATI Tray tool benchmark runs fine. Drivers installed fine. The only thing
> that it will not do is a soft reset using the reset button.
>
> Based on this the card seems fine in the ASUS board. I am going to run
> some 3dmark03 loops & see how that goes. If that goes okay then I have to
> conclude that the card is okay but that there is some issue with the
> DFI/AMD board that the card does not like. But what ?
>
> Thanks
You put a new open box card in a 100% functional system with very low power
requirements and a new 750W power supply and it becomes flaky with the
symptons you describe.You then try the new power supply and card in your
other system and it's flaky with somewhat different symptoms. You leave the
new p/s in and switch back to the old video card and it works fine. You put
the open box card in again and it has soft reboot issues that it never had
with the other. Why would you think the mainboard is the issue in the first
system?
Where you get the idea that a decent 750W p/s with 4 x 18A 12v rails is
marginal for a old Nforce2 board with an Athlon XP, 1 gig of RAM and 2
HDD's, 2 Optical drives and a water cooling rig with a couple of fans is
beyond me. That video card will not pull more than 75W total under full
load. There's basically no difference in the power draw of an X1950 Pro AGP
card vs an X19950 Pro PCIe card. The difference is where they draw the power
from. An AGP card draws more from the aux power connector due to the
limitations of the AGP slot power. None of this is conjecture. Look it up.
Or don't . You seem to have preconcieved notions as to what the issue is.
On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:35:25 +0100, Craig Coope
<coope1999@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 23 May 2008 13:14:02 -0500, KingsHead <AAA@AAA.NET> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I just bought the above card (Sapphire 100171L X1950PRO 512MB). Card is
>>a AGP card.
>>Bought this PSU, Xigmatek NRP-MC751 750watt. It has 4 12v rails @ 18amp
>>each.
>>
>>I tried the card and PSU in my gaming machine, a DFI UltraInfinity NFII
>>board with a AMD XP-mobile processer clocked to 2420Mhz and a FSB of
>>220Mhz (220x11) and 1GB RAM. PC also has 1 WD 35GB Raptor Sata drive,
>>Samsung 40GB IDE drive, IDE DVD drive, floppy drive, 12v water pump (PC
>>is H2O cooled) and 2 120mm fans & 2 80mm fans. Monitor is a Samsung 22"
>>LCD (SyncMaster 2253bw).
>>With the new video card and PSU I could get the PC to post & boot, but
>>erratically. It would not consistently restart whether cold or soft
>>reboot. Sometimes the cards cooling fan would speed up & stay at a high
>>RPM. I also noticed the HD LED blinking. 2 blinks then a pause, then repeat.
>>The current card in this PC is a Asus AX800VIVO (flashed to open all
>>pipelines) and it works quite fine. Either with the new PSU or my older
>>500watt one.
>>
>>I switched the video card & PSU to a Home Theater PC I am building (this
>>is where I want to transplant the AX800VIVO). This is a Asus PC-DL with
>>2 2.4Ghz Xeons and 2GB RAM. It is running at 2.47Ghz with a FSB of 165
>>(165x15). PC also has 4 hard drives (2 SATA, 2 IDE), 1 IDE DVD drive, 1
>>floppy/memory card combo drive, 2 120mm fans, 1 80mm fan and a small
>>NorthBridge fan. There is also a 5.25" Drive Bay breakout box; Fan
>>controller/USB/FireWire/Temperature Display. Monitor is 32" LCD TV and I
>>am using a DVI to HDMI cable.
>>The card behaves better in this PC, the reboot/reset problem persists,
>>but not quite as severe. The PC will restart out of windows and cold
>>boot. It will not reset after exiting the BIOS or using the reset button
>> to soft reboot. If I disconnect the 2 SATA drives the symptoms seem to
>>improve with reset out of the BIOS possible and also using the reset
>>button. This somewhat supports the PSU just not having enough juice ?
>>When this PC fails to restart/reboot I noticed that the HD LED does NOT
>>blink like it did on the DFI board. It just goes off (the LED).
>>
>>Sorry for the novel & hope it all makes sense.
>>So is this just a case of the new PSU just being to wimpy to run the
>>card in the DFI setup and just on the dodgy side in the ASUS ?
>>18amp on the 12v rails just not enough ?
>>Or, is there a compatability problem with the DFI board ?
>>Or, card does not like 220FSB on the DFI (did not try a lower FSB) ?
>>Or, bad card ? (I would like the card to work since AGP has been off'ed
>>& I have no plans to upgrade my stuff any further at this point)
>>
>>Card was a open box from newegg so I only a few days to decide to
>>whether or not to RMA.
>>
>>Thanks for any input
>>
>
>The only thing I had to do to get the card to run without crashing was
>uprade my PSU to a 550W with 30amp on the 12V rail....But it never did
>what yours is doing....
>
>Sorry for not being much help....
Augustus wrote:
>> Card seems to work well in the ASUS PC-DL board. It has rebooted from both
>> windows & BIOS as well as multiple cold starts. Has run 3dMark01, 03 & 05.
>> ATI Tray tool benchmark runs fine. Drivers installed fine. The only thing
>> that it will not do is a soft reset using the reset button.
>>
>> Based on this the card seems fine in the ASUS board. I am going to run
>> some 3dmark03 loops & see how that goes. If that goes okay then I have to
>> conclude that the card is okay but that there is some issue with the
>> DFI/AMD board that the card does not like. But what ?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> You put a new open box card in a 100% functional system with very low power
> requirements and a new 750W power supply and it becomes flaky with the
> symptons you describe.You then try the new power supply and card in your
> other system and it's flaky with somewhat different symptoms. You leave the
> new p/s in and switch back to the old video card and it works fine. You put
> the open box card in again and it has soft reboot issues that it never had
> with the other. Why would you think the mainboard is the issue in the first
> system?
Because this is not the first time that I have seen random flakiness in
a computer part or run into seemingly inexplicable irritants in
supposedly compatible parts that otherwise test fine.
> Where you get the idea that a decent 750W p/s with 4 x 18A 12v rails is
> marginal for a old Nforce2 board with an Athlon XP, 1 gig of RAM and 2
> HDD's, 2 Optical drives and a water cooling rig with a couple of fans is
> beyond me. That video card will not pull more than 75W total under full
> load. There's basically no difference in the power draw of an X1950 Pro AGP
> card vs an X19950 Pro PCIe card. The difference is where they draw the power
> from. An AGP card draws more from the aux power connector due to the
> limitations of the AGP slot power. None of this is conjecture. Look it up.
> Or don't . You seem to have preconcieved notions as to what the issue is.
>
>
As far as the old NFII board I am going to make up two dedicated power
feeds to the X1950 and use the other 2 for the HD/optical/etc. I feel
that maybe the issue with the old board is the quality (for lack of a
better word) of power to the X1950. With the bundled PSU cables I am
forced to place the other devices onto the 12v rails to the X1950.
> As far as the old NFII board I am going to make up two dedicated power
> feeds to the X1950 and use the other 2 for the HD/optical/etc. I feel that
> maybe the issue with the old board is the quality (for lack of a better
> word) of power to the X1950. With the bundled PSU cables I am forced to
> place the other devices onto the 12v rails to the X1950.
By all means try, but remember that all that card is pulling from the aux
12V rail is a max of 40W under full load. The AGP slot supplies 35W max. At
idle and 2D power consumption off the auxilliary connector is minimal.
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