Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX 10.1
upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old DX10
hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
It really.at this point in time,does not matter if you buy a
DX9...DX10...the present games all run DX9...........and any game
manufacturer that only puts out a DX10 game is shooting himself in the
foot...Their sales will be so low..low..low. I predict that 95% of new Games
will work with DX9....they'll just be a little better with a DX10 card.
DX9 games will be with us for quite awhile yet.
peter
"William" <nospam@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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> Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX
> 10.1 upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old
> DX10 hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
>
> See: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41577 and:
> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar.../0524250.shtml
>
> So all the DX10 video hardware is officially obsolete. DX10 is dead, long
> live DX10.1!
>
> How wonderful. (Sure am glad I didn't rush out and purchase a new DX10
> graphics board yet.)
>
> William
>
>
"peter" <peter@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> It really.at this point in time,does not matter if you buy a
> DX9...DX10...the present games all run DX9...........and any game
> manufacturer that only puts out a DX10 game is shooting himself in the
> foot...Their sales will be so low..low..low. I predict that 95% of new
> Games will work with DX9....they'll just be a little better with a DX10
> card.
> DX9 games will be with us for quite awhile yet.
> peter
I agree, DX9 will be around for a while. I have no plans to upgrade to
Vista, even though I have a copy on the shelf. Unfortunately I would really
like to play HALO 2.
With the current backlash on DRM in England, and hopefully in the USA in the
near future, (wishful thinking) maybe MS will remove some of the DRM in
Vista. Wouldn't that be peachy.
William
> "William" <nospam@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:13bv1tvnf7544bd@corp.supernews.com...
>> Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX
>> 10.1 upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old
>> DX10 hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
>>
>> See: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41577 and:
>> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar.../0524250.shtml
>>
>> So all the DX10 video hardware is officially obsolete. DX10 is dead,
>> long live DX10.1!
>>
>> How wonderful. (Sure am glad I didn't rush out and purchase a new DX10
>> graphics board yet.)
>>
>> William
>>
>>
>
>
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:20:54 -0700, "William" <nospam@pacifier.com>
wrote:
>Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX 10.1
>upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old DX10
>hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
>
>See: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41577 and:
>http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar.../0524250.shtml
>
>So all the DX10 video hardware is officially obsolete. DX10 is dead, long
>live DX10.1!
>
>How wonderful. (Sure am glad I didn't rush out and purchase a new DX10
>graphics board yet.)
I think there is a lot missed here. I'd bet that SP1 is still going
to be backwards compatible. IOW your DX10 hardware may not be able to
run DX10.1, but Vista with SP1 will either be capable of running DX10
or DX10.1 will be backwards compatible with DX9 and 10. You will just
need to upgrade the hardware to run DX10.1.
Think of it this way, if DX10.1 is, or will be an integral part of SP1
and requires a video card update it would render all computers with
preloaded Vista inoperable. It would also render any hardware running
Vista that had not been upgraded inoperable. MS may be cash heavy but
they'd end up hungry were they to obsolete all that hardware and
render millions of machines inoperable in a single blow.
I think we will find that DX10 will remain available or DX10.1 will be
backwards compatible, or SP1 will run DX9, 10, and 10.1
"Roger (K8RI)" <validaddress@my.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:20:54 -0700, "William" <nospam@pacifier.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX
>>10.1
>>upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old DX10
>>hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
>>
>>See: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41577 and:
>>http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar.../0524250.shtml
>>
>>So all the DX10 video hardware is officially obsolete. DX10 is dead, long
>>live DX10.1!
>>
>>How wonderful. (Sure am glad I didn't rush out and purchase a new DX10
>>graphics board yet.)
>
> I think there is a lot missed here. I'd bet that SP1 is still going
> to be backwards compatible. IOW your DX10 hardware may not be able to
> run DX10.1, but Vista with SP1 will either be capable of running DX10
> or DX10.1 will be backwards compatible with DX9 and 10. You will just
> need to upgrade the hardware to run DX10.1.
>
> Think of it this way, if DX10.1 is, or will be an integral part of SP1
> and requires a video card update it would render all computers with
> preloaded Vista inoperable. It would also render any hardware running
> Vista that had not been upgraded inoperable. MS may be cash heavy but
> they'd end up hungry were they to obsolete all that hardware and
> render millions of machines inoperable in a single blow.
>
> I think we will find that DX10 will remain available or DX10.1 will be
> backwards compatible, or SP1 will run DX9, 10, and 10.1
>
>
I agree their should be some level of backwards compatibility for DX10 and
DX9 boards with reduced functionality. However, If I had just purchased a
DX10 card believing it was the newest best toy on the market, and I find out
that something has changed under my feet, I would not be a happy camper.
I have been planning to purchase a new DX10 graphics board for my computer
sometime around November-December this year, providing that Vista SP1 was
released as planed sometime in November and install the two together.
It looks like graphics cards just got set back 6+ months or more in
production cycles for the boards to catch up with DX10.1. Perhaps ATI knew
this was coming for months, and that is why they haven't released anything
exciting that can do DX10 so far.
One of the requirements for DX10 certification is that the graphics board
must perform a minimum set of features as outlined in the documentation.
This is new to DX10, before this a manufacturer had choices which features
the board would perform. Not so with DX10, either you do them, or you are
not DX10 certified.
This is a mess, if MS is going to move the goal post around, the graphics
makers are not going to be happy, let alone the consumers. This all comes
on top of the '07 Christmas season. Perhaps this is just one of those trial
balloons MS is famous about sending out to see what happens. This is all
strange to me.
>On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:20:54 -0700, "William" <nospam@pacifier.com> wrote:
>Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX 10.1
>upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old DX10
>hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
>
>See: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41577 and:
>http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar.../0524250.shtml
>
>So all the DX10 video hardware is officially obsolete. DX10 is dead, long
>live DX10.1!
>
>How wonderful. (Sure am glad I didn't rush out and purchase a new DX10
>graphics board yet.)
>
>William
>
> Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX 10.1
> upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old DX10
> hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
>
> See: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41577 and:
> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar.../0524250.shtml
>
> So all the DX10 video hardware is officially obsolete. DX10 is dead, long
> live DX10.1!
What a nonsense! Especially the topic "DX10 cards are officially
obsolete" is just plain stupid (but then, you're referring to the
inquirer so that explains all).
How can current DX10 gfx cards that offer features that still aren't
used by any application or game be already "outdated"? Just because MS
announced the next DX revision?
Maybe it's indeed new for you, but it's quite normal that DX releases
are evolving. You must live behind the moon to be surprised that now
that DX10 is out MS works on the next revision.
But contrary to what bull****ter inquirer says DX10 cards aren't
automatically obsolete, especially since DX10.1 until now is basically
paperware. And even when DX10.1 comes out current DX10 cards are not
obsolete because they still will run everything that comes out at that
time, especially since DX10-only applications will be quite rare for
some time now.
But feel free to wait for DX10.1 cards, but at the time they appear
there probably is already the next release of DX (DX10.2?) that has been
anounced. So you'd better wait for DX10.2 hardware, DX10.3 hardware, or
whatever follows that.
Really, it wouldn't hurt to think first before copying every **** that's
written on some website. Especially if it's the inquirer.
"Benjamin Gawert" <bgawert@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:5ible0F3ofdjlU1@mid.individual.net...
>* William:
>
>> Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX
>> 10.1 upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old
>> DX10 hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
>>
>> See: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41577 and:
>> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar.../0524250.shtml
>>
>> So all the DX10 video hardware is officially obsolete. DX10 is dead,
>> long live DX10.1!
>
> What a nonsense! Especially the topic "DX10 cards are officially obsolete"
> is just plain stupid (but then, you're referring to the inquirer so that
> explains all).
>
> How can current DX10 gfx cards that offer features that still aren't used
> by any application or game be already "outdated"? Just because MS
> announced the next DX revision?
>
> Maybe it's indeed new for you, but it's quite normal that DX releases are
> evolving. You must live behind the moon to be surprised that now that DX10
> is out MS works on the next revision.
>
> But contrary to what bull****ter inquirer says DX10 cards aren't
> automatically obsolete, especially since DX10.1 until now is basically
> paperware. And even when DX10.1 comes out current DX10 cards are not
> obsolete because they still will run everything that comes out at that
> time, especially since DX10-only applications will be quite rare for some
> time now.
>
> But feel free to wait for DX10.1 cards, but at the time they appear there
> probably is already the next release of DX (DX10.2?) that has been
> anounced. So you'd better wait for DX10.2 hardware, DX10.3 hardware, or
> whatever follows that.
>
> Really, it wouldn't hurt to think first before copying every **** that's
> written on some website. Especially if it's the inquirer.
>
> Benjamin
Sounds like you purchased a DX10 card.
Shoot the messenger all you want. MS made the announcement, it's their
words, not mine, so take from it what you want.
How many versions of DX9 do you know of? Never mind, too much non-sequitur,
strawman argument, no good Scotchman argument, ad hominem attack to bother
with.
In article <13bv1tvnf7544bd@corp.supernews.com>, "William" <nospam@pacifier.com> wrote:
>Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX 10.1
>upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old DX10
>hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
>
WTF is wrong with MS????
William wrote:
> Microsoft announced at Siggraph 2007 that Vista SP1 will have a new DX 10.1
> upgrade requiring new hardware to implement the new standard. Old DX10
> hardware will not support the upcoming new standard.
>
> See: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41577 and:
> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardwar.../0524250.shtml
>
> So all the DX10 video hardware is officially obsolete. DX10 is dead, long
> live DX10.1!
>
> How wonderful. (Sure am glad I didn't rush out and purchase a new DX10
> graphics board yet.)
>
> William
>
>
DX10 cards are officially obsolete. 
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