>The OP's lengthy rant over AGP and mainboard compatability concerns a single
>low end budget board that last retailed for $43US when availablle 2-3 years
>back and won't work with his 7 generation old Radeon AGP AIW card dating
>back to 2002. There's several hundreds (if not thousands) of AGP mainboards
>out there and ditto for AGP cards over the years. What does he expect?
Since you didn't quote-back, I have no idea if you are responding to
me or just in general. To answer your question, I think he expects to
get a functioning computer back with as little cash outlay as
possible. I don't have a problem with that, whereas you obviously do.
Not everyone can afford, or even needs to, upgrade every three or four
years.
>Your post contains multiple inaccuracies....the move to PCIe was not a
>marketing driven one. It was primarily power requirements and bandwidth. You
You'll have to be sure and point out all of the "multiple inaccuacies"
in my post but to say that it wasn't marketing driven is beyond naive
and reeks of a basic business ignorance, so pardon me if I take what
you say with a rather large grain of salt.
>would be right in saying that an AGP 9800 Pro won't perform a whole lot
>differently in the apps you mentioned than, say an, 8800GT. Photoshop,
>Dreamweaver and Flash production. These are completely CPU and memory
>intensive and require no more than 2D card of any flavor.... The issues you
I guess that point wasn't one of the "multiple innaccuracies", eh?
>experience have nothing to do with your video card and everyrthing to do
>with your system mentioned, which I assume is a 2.8Ghz P4D Northwood system
>with 1 gig of RAM.
Ya think? Guess you missed the "Going to be upgrading soon. <vbseg>",
didn't you? Reading comprehension... 101.
While I have respected your posts in this ng in the past, your
flippant response to the OP was uncalled for and your response to my
post was just plain ignorant.
In article <uJmdnQbRDK_mv6DVnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@posted.localnet> , Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>Chuck U. Farley wrote:
>
>>>>> The ASRock PE PRO socket 478, which has a "universal AGP 2x/4x socket"
>>>>>does NOT work with the AIW Radeon "universal AGP 2x/4x" video board.
>>>>
>>>>5 year old mainboard and a 7 year old Radeon AIW card. Get real man.
>>
>>
>> The flip side of your comment is my AIW 9600 PRO still capable of
>> receiving the latest Catalyst drivers (not that I use them) so ATI is
>> pretty good about having h/w with a _very_ long support cycle.
>>
>> Although I do understand the OP's frustration. I _still_ have a Radeon
>> 9700 around here somewhere thought I could just drop in a 440BX mobo
>> based box that was going to my son. As with many things in technology,
>> so called "standards" are sometimes non-standard.
>>
>>
>>>Why the move to PCI-E for video anyway ? Had the AGP bandwidth been
>>
>>
>> Marketing, pure and simple.
>>
>>
>>>max'ed ? Or, just time to stimulate the bottomline with a new
>>>theoretically faster specification ?
>>
>>
>> I would like to see how a 9800 Pro AGP stands up to the latest PCI-E
>> board in business or multimedia (Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver, etc)
>> benchmark testing. My guess, is the difference isn't that dramatic.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I see no reason to discard my 5 to 7 year old PC's. They do everything
>>>that a new one does easily, other than gaming of course. The only gaming
>>>I do though is Racing Simulations (N2003 & rFactor) and my 5 to 7 year
>>>old stuff does that just fine.
>>
>>
>> I'd be in your boat if I didn't have to work extensively with the
>> Adobe suite, Filters on large files in PS and compiling Flash
>> animations are severely taxing my P4 2.8, 1 gig memory system... but
>> the addition of a WD Raptor 10,000 rpm drive certainly gave it a kick
>> in the ***.
>>
>> Going to be upgrading soon. <vbseg>
>>
> I am trying to find a motherboard that is *known* to work with the
>AIW, and am running out of money faster than patience.
Asus P4C800 or P4P800
Chuck U. Farley wrote:
>>The OP's lengthy rant over AGP and mainboard compatability concerns a single
>>low end budget board that last retailed for $43US when availablle 2-3 years
>>back and won't work with his 7 generation old Radeon AGP AIW card dating
>>back to 2002. There's several hundreds (if not thousands) of AGP mainboards
>>out there and ditto for AGP cards over the years. What does he expect?
>
>
> Since you didn't quote-back, I have no idea if you are responding to
> me or just in general. To answer your question, I think he expects to
> get a functioning computer back with as little cash outlay as
> possible. I don't have a problem with that, whereas you obviously do.
> Not everyone can afford, or even needs to, upgrade every three or four
> years.
>
>
>
>>Your post contains multiple inaccuracies....the move to PCIe was not a
>>marketing driven one. It was primarily power requirements and bandwidth. You
>
>
> You'll have to be sure and point out all of the "multiple inaccuacies"
> in my post but to say that it wasn't marketing driven is beyond naive
> and reeks of a basic business ignorance, so pardon me if I take what
> you say with a rather large grain of salt.
>
>
>>would be right in saying that an AGP 9800 Pro won't perform a whole lot
>>differently in the apps you mentioned than, say an, 8800GT. Photoshop,
>>Dreamweaver and Flash production. These are completely CPU and memory
>>intensive and require no more than 2D card of any flavor.... The issues you
>
>
> I guess that point wasn't one of the "multiple innaccuracies", eh?
>
>
>
>>experience have nothing to do with your video card and everyrthing to do
>>with your system mentioned, which I assume is a 2.8Ghz P4D Northwood system
>>with 1 gig of RAM.
>
>
> Ya think? Guess you missed the "Going to be upgrading soon. <vbseg>",
> didn't you? Reading comprehension... 101.
>
> While I have respected your posts in this ng in the past, your
> flippant response to the OP was uncalled for and your response to my
> post was just plain ignorant.
>
> Get a grip.
>
You are absolutely correct.
Since i am Socially Insecure, i have very little money and so cannot
afford either a newer system nor constantly try motherboards that are
"supposed" to work with my All-In-Wonder Radeon video board ("universal"
AGP 2x/4x).
Playtool.com information, as far as i am concerned, covers only
theoretical compatibility between a video bord and a motherboard.
Other than the dying combination i have, so far no motherboard works
with my AIW Radeon video board.
> In article <uJmdnQbRDK_mv6DVnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@posted.localnet> , Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>
>>Chuck U. Farley wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>> The ASRock PE PRO socket 478, which has a "universal AGP 2x/4x socket"
>>>>>>does NOT work with the AIW Radeon "universal AGP 2x/4x" video board.
>>>>>
>>>>>5 year old mainboard and a 7 year old Radeon AIW card. Get real man.
>>>
>>>
>>>The flip side of your comment is my AIW 9600 PRO still capable of
>>>receiving the latest Catalyst drivers (not that I use them) so ATI is
>>>pretty good about having h/w with a _very_ long support cycle.
>>>
>>>Although I do understand the OP's frustration. I _still_ have a Radeon
>>>9700 around here somewhere thought I could just drop in a 440BX mobo
>>>based box that was going to my son. As with many things in technology,
>>>so called "standards" are sometimes non-standard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why the move to PCI-E for video anyway ? Had the AGP bandwidth been
>>>
>>>
>>>Marketing, pure and simple.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>max'ed ? Or, just time to stimulate the bottomline with a new
>>>>theoretically faster specification ?
>>>
>>>
>>>I would like to see how a 9800 Pro AGP stands up to the latest PCI-E
>>>board in business or multimedia (Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver, etc)
>>>benchmark testing. My guess, is the difference isn't that dramatic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I see no reason to discard my 5 to 7 year old PC's. They do everything
>>>>that a new one does easily, other than gaming of course. The only gaming
>>>>I do though is Racing Simulations (N2003 & rFactor) and my 5 to 7 year
>>>>old stuff does that just fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd be in your boat if I didn't have to work extensively with the
>>>Adobe suite, Filters on large files in PS and compiling Flash
>>>animations are severely taxing my P4 2.8, 1 gig memory system... but
>>>the addition of a WD Raptor 10,000 rpm drive certainly gave it a kick
>>>in the ***.
>>>
>>>Going to be upgrading soon. <vbseg>
>>>
>> I am trying to find a motherboard that is *known* to work with the
>>AIW, and am running out of money faster than patience.
>
> Asus P4C800 or P4P800
These have been recommended, but i have yet to find a vendor.
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> Augustus wrote:
>>> The ASRock PE PRO socket 478, which has a "universal AGP 2x/4x socket"
>>> does NOT work with the AIW Radeon "universal AGP 2x/4x" video board.
>>
>> 5 year old mainboard and a 7 year old Radeon AIW card. Get real man.
> Should they not work together though, as advertised ? The PC Industry is,
> IMHO, a mess of mis-information, mixed and matched specifications and
> products that might work and/or deliver less than 100% of their advertised
> capabilities. You can spend hours researching whether or not a given item
> will work in your particular board/PC only to still be bitten in the ***
> by some quirkiness.
> Why the move to PCI-E for video anyway ? Had the AGP bandwidth been max'ed
> ? Or, just time to stimulate the bottomline with a new theoretically
> faster specification ?
> I see no reason to discard my 5 to 7 year old PC's. They do everything
> that a new one does easily, other than gaming of course. The only gaming I
> do though is Racing Simulations (N2003 & rFactor) and my 5 to 7 year old
> stuff does that just fine.
Not a single thing in Your post I disagree with!
Sincerely,
Rene & his 5 year old, still functioning perfectly, pc.
>>>Asus P4C800 or P4P800
>>
>> These have been recommended, but i have yet to find a vendor.
>
>
> Google has a combined thousand or so hits for these motherboards.
> Sorry, I don't have the time to check every link for you.
>
> P4P800
> http://www.google.com/products?q=p4p...&hl=en&show=dd
>
> P4C800
> http://www.google.com/products?q=P4C...&hl=en&show=dd
>
>
I used those links and discovered that the ASUS P4P800 *cannot* be
used with any AGP video board - so that reccomendation dies fast.
The Asus P4C800 has three faults; (1) AGP 3.0 meaning it is extremely
likely to not be able to work woth my AIW Radeon video board,and (2)
800Mhz FSB (not adjustable to 400Mhz) which makes my RAM useless; (3)
prices are 3-8 times what i can afford as well find for boards that are
a better match.
And a number of vendors are "out of stock".
So,i will scratch both of those off my "maybe" list and save money as
i will not have to return unuseable boards.
In article <NMWdnctf_fNmHaLVnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@posted.localnet> , Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>KCB wrote:
>
>>>>Asus P4C800 or P4P800
>>>
>>> These have been recommended, but i have yet to find a vendor.
>>
>>
>> Google has a combined thousand or so hits for these motherboards.
>> Sorry, I don't have the time to check every link for you.
>>
>> P4P800
>> http://www.google.com/products?q=p4p...&hl=en&show=dd
>>
>> P4C800
>> http://www.google.com/products?q=P4C...&hl=en&show=dd
>>
>>
> I used those links and discovered that the ASUS P4P800 *cannot* be
>used with any AGP video board - so that reccomendation dies fast.
WTF??? I have use a ATI radeon 32MB AllInWonder card , an ATI 9800 Pro and a
ATI X1600 AGP video card at different stages on my P4P800 Deluxe board. It is
fully 2x,4x,8x AGP capable!!!!
> The Asus P4C800 has three faults; (1) AGP 3.0 meaning it is extremely
>likely to not be able to work woth my AIW Radeon video board,
Nonesense, fully backwards compatible with it. In addition, foir
****sandgiggles, i put an old Nvidia 2X AGP card in my P4P800(Brother to the
P4C800 board) and it workes the charm.
and (2)
>800Mhz FSB (not adjustable to 400Mhz) which makes my RAM useless; (3)
>prices are 3-8 times what i can afford as well find for boards that are
>a better match.
Got me there. you can though use the older ram in the board, especially if
your cpu is only 400mhx capable
> And a number of vendors are "out of stock".
> So,i will scratch both of those off my "maybe" list and save money as
>i will not have to return unuseable boards.
On Ebay i find them for $50-$80 all the time. How can that be too much for
you?
GMAN wrote:
> In article <NMWdnctf_fNmHaLVnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@posted.localnet> , Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>
>>KCB wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>Asus P4C800 or P4P800
>>>>
>>>> These have been recommended, but i have yet to find a vendor.
>>>
>>>
>>>Google has a combined thousand or so hits for these motherboards.
>>>Sorry, I don't have the time to check every link for you.
>>>
>>>P4P800
>>>http://www.google.com/products?q=p4p...&hl=en&show=dd
>>>
>>>P4C800
>>>http://www.google.com/products?q=P4C...&hl=en&show=dd
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I used those links and discovered that the ASUS P4P800 *cannot* be
>>used with any AGP video board - so that reccomendation dies fast.
>
>
> WTF??? I have use a ATI radeon 32MB AllInWonder card , an ATI 9800 Pro and a
> ATI X1600 AGP video card at different stages on my P4P800 Deluxe board. It is
> fully 2x,4x,8x AGP capable!!!!
** According to the data sheet i found, there is no AGP connector as it
has built-in video.
>
>
>
>> The Asus P4C800 has three faults; (1) AGP 3.0 meaning it is extremely
>>likely to not be able to work woth my AIW Radeon video board,
>
>
> Nonesense, fully backwards compatible with it. In addition, foir
> ****sandgiggles, i put an old Nvidia 2X AGP card in my P4P800(Brother to the
> P4C800 board) and it workes the charm.
>
> and (2)
>
>>800Mhz FSB (not adjustable to 400Mhz) which makes my RAM useless; (3)
>>prices are 3-8 times what i can afford as well find for boards that are
>>a better match.
>
>
> Got me there. you can though use the older ram in the board, especially if
> your cpu is only 400mhx capable
>
>
>> And a number of vendors are "out of stock".
>> So,i will scratch both of those off my "maybe" list and save money as
>>i will not have to return unuseable boards.
>
>
>
> On Ebay i find them for $50-$80 all the time. How can that be too much for
> you?
>
In article <NKOdnfflXfnUnNzVnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@posted.localnet> , Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>GMAN wrote:
>> In article <NMWdnctf_fNmHaLVnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@posted.localnet> , Robert Baer
> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>KCB wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Asus P4C800 or P4P800
>>>>>
>>>>> These have been recommended, but i have yet to find a vendor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Google has a combined thousand or so hits for these motherboards.
>>>>Sorry, I don't have the time to check every link for you.
>>>>
>>>>P4P800
>>>>http://www.google.com/products?q=p4p...&hl=en&show=dd
>>>>
>>>>P4C800
>>>>http://www.google.com/products?q=P4C...&hl=en&show=dd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I used those links and discovered that the ASUS P4P800 *cannot* be
>>>used with any AGP video board - so that reccomendation dies fast.
>>
>>
>> WTF??? I have use a ATI radeon 32MB AllInWonder card , an ATI 9800 Pro and a
>> ATI X1600 AGP video card at different stages on my P4P800 Deluxe board. It
> is
>> fully 2x,4x,8x AGP capable!!!!
>** According to the data sheet i found, there is no AGP connector as it
>has built-in video.
>
There are many variants of the P4P800
I have the P4P800 deluxe model. It has onboard video but also has 8x AGP slot
Most of the P4P800's have AGP slots, but its possible one or two of the
variants have just onboard. These boards were mosty likely for OEM use such as
in Dells or other manufacturers pc's
>>
>>
>>
>>> The Asus P4C800 has three faults; (1) AGP 3.0 meaning it is extremely
>>>likely to not be able to work woth my AIW Radeon video board,
>>
>>
>> Nonesense, fully backwards compatible with it. In addition, foir
>> ****sandgiggles, i put an old Nvidia 2X AGP card in my P4P800(Brother to the
>> P4C800 board) and it workes the charm.
>>
>> and (2)
>>
>>>800Mhz FSB (not adjustable to 400Mhz) which makes my RAM useless; (3)
>>>prices are 3-8 times what i can afford as well find for boards that are
>>>a better match.
>>
>>
>> Got me there. you can though use the older ram in the board, especially if
>> your cpu is only 400mhx capable
>>
>>
>>> And a number of vendors are "out of stock".
>>> So,i will scratch both of those off my "maybe" list and save money as
>>>i will not have to return unuseable boards.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Ebay i find them for $50-$80 all the time. How can that be too much for
>> you?
>>
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