This card has only the ADH header on the motherboard and no AAFP header. In the some of the related boards, such as P5E-VM and P5E-WS, the situation is reverse - there is AAFP header but no ADH header. Then there are boards, such as P5B, which have both headers.
The problem that I am trying to solve is to enable the headset connector in Antec SonataII. I think that I cannot use the standard connector in the prewired cable, but I have to connect 4 or 5 of the 7 wires directly to the ADH connector.
Question 1:
- what ADH pins I should use for FPOUT_R/L, RET_R/L, and AUD_GND
Question 2:
- what is the proper BIOS setting for
> "High Definition Audio", which have options [Enabled] and [Disabled]
> "Front Panel Type", which have options [AC97] and [HD Audio]
One of the issues is that the manual defines these setting to control the AAFP connector and there is no AAFP connector on this motherboard.
There has been several questions about the pin assignments in the AAFP and ADH connecters and here is the information I found from Intel. Please let me know if this is correct for Asus boards.
High Definition Audio Link Header (AHD, Azalia Digital Header)
Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
1 BCLK 2 Ground
3 RST 4 3.3 V/1.5 V I/O
5 SYNC 6 Ground
7 SDO 8 3.3V_CORE
9 SDI 10 +12 V
11 No connect 12 Key (no pin)
13 No connect 14 3.3 V/1.5V STBY
15 No connect 16 Ground
Front Panel Audio Header (AAFP, Analog Audio Front Panel)
Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
1 [Port 1] Left channel 2 Ground
3 [Port 1] Right channel 4 PRESENCE# (Dongle present)
5 [Port 2] Right channel 6 [Port 1] SENSE_RETURN
7 SENSE_SEND (Jack detection) 8 Key (no pin)
9 [Port 2] Left channel 10 [Port 2] SENSE_RETURN
In some other Intel documents the pin 4 in HD Audio Link Header is only for 3.3 V and pins 9, 11, 13, 15 are used for SDI0, SDI1, Aud RSVD, and Aud RSVD.
Ollie wrote:
> This card has only the ADH header on the motherboard and no AAFP
> header. In the some of the related boards, such as P5E-VM and P5E-WS,
> the situation is reverse - there is AAFP header but no ADH header. Then
> there are boards, such as P5B, which have both headers.
>
> The problem that I am trying to solve is to enable the headset connector
> in Antec SonataII. I think that I cannot use the standard connector in
> the prewired cable, but I have to connect 4 or 5 of the 7 wires directly
> to the ADH connector.
>
> Question 1:
> *- what ADH pins I should use for FPOUT_R/L, RET_R/L, and AUD_GND*
>
> Question 2:
> *- what is the proper BIOS setting for*
> * > "High Definition Audio", which have options [Enabled] and [Disabled]*
> * > "Front Panel Type", which have options [AC97] and [HD Audio]*
>
> One of the issues is that the manual defines these setting to control
> the AAFP connector and there is no AAFP connector on this motherboard.
>
> There has been several questions about the pin assignments in the AAFP
> and ADH connecters and here is the information I found from Intel.
> Please let me know if this is correct for Asus boards.
>
> High Definition Audio Link Header (AHD, Azalia Digital Header)
>
> Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
> 1 BCLK 2 Ground
> 3 RST 4 3.3 V/1.5 V I/O
> 5 SYNC 6 Ground
> 7 SDO 8 3.3V_CORE
> 9 SDI 10 +12 V
> 11 No connect 12 Key (no pin)
> 13 No connect 14 3.3 V/1.5V STBY
> 15 No connect 16 Ground
>
> Front Panel Audio Header (AAFP, Analog Audio Front Panel)
>
> Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
> 1 [Port 1] Left channel 2 Ground
> 3 [Port 1] Right channel 4 PRESENCE# (Dongle present)
> 5 [Port 2] Right channel 6 [Port 1] SENSE_RETURN
> 7 SENSE_SEND (Jack detection) 8 Key (no pin)
> 9 [Port 2] Left channel 10 [Port 2] SENSE_RETURN
>
> In some other Intel documents the pin 4 in HD Audio Link Header is only
> for 3.3 V and pins 9, 11, 13, 15 are used for SDI0, SDI1, Aud RSVD, and
> Aud RSVD.
>
> Cheers, Ollie
>
>
Are you sure the green connector on the SupremeFX II isn't your AAFP
header ? It kinda looks like it. Check for a legend printed on the
SupremeFX II in white letters, as to what kind of header that is.
In the third picture, you can just see "AAF..." in the picture.
Both original SupremeFX and SupremeFX II have the green header -
but the SupremeFX and SupremeFX II are apparently not interchangeable
between their respective motherboards.
Re: Asus P5E Front Panel Audio connection - using SupremeFX II
I have not yet connected the front panel audio to P5E motherboard and would like to avoid the smoke. Please share your experience and advices.
My new theory is, that the reason why the AAFP header is not on the motherboard is that the SupremeFX II card is included in the P5E package. Could you confirm or deny the following assumptions for the header at the back end of the SupremeFX II card.
"High Definition Audio" = [Enabled]
"Front Panel Type" = [HD Audio] This is the default setting
1 MIC2_L 2 GND
3 MIC2_R 4 -ACZ_DET
5 LINE2_R 6 FSENSE1
7 FAUDIO_JD 8 No Pin
9 LINE2_L 10 FSENSE2
"High Definition Audio" = [Enabled]
"Front Panel Type" = [AC97]
Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
1 MIC 2 GND
3 MIC Power 4 NC
5 Line Out (R) 6 NC
7 NC 8 No Pin
9 Line Out (L) 10 NC
"High Definition Audio" = Disabled
Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
1 NC 2 NC
3 NC 4 NC
5 NC 6 NC
7 NC 8 No Pin
9 NC 10 NC
If this assumption is correct, then I should leave the default setting in BIOS, forget the ADH header on motherboard, and use the AAFP header in SupremeFX II with the following wire assignments:
AUD_GND -> Pin 2
FPOUT_R -> Pin 5
RET_R -> Pin 6
FPOUT_L -> Pin 9
RET_L -> Pin 10
If I will change the "Front Panel Type" to [AC97], then I will get the sound both in the headset and in the speaker system. The default value (HD Audio) is better, because it will cut-off the speakers, when the headset plug is inserted in the front panel.
In addition of the AAFP in the SupremeFX II, there is another, smaller header. What would be its purpose?
Cheers, Ollie
PS. I did google SupremeFX and browsed through AsusTek web site to find the manual for SupremeFX, but didn't find it. What is the URL for the manual?
"Ollie" <olivili at hot mail dot c o m> wrote in message news:b-edneocF5_Uvs7anZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com...
This card has only the ADH header on the motherboard and no AAFP header. In the some of the related boards, such as P5E-VM and P5E-WS, the situation is reverse - there is AAFP header but no ADH header. Then there are boards, such as P5B, which have both headers.
The problem that I am trying to solve is to enable the headset connector in Antec SonataII. I think that I cannot use the standard connector in the prewired cable, but I have to connect 4 or 5 of the 7 wires directly to the ADH connector.
Question 1:
- what ADH pins I should use for FPOUT_R/L, RET_R/L, and AUD_GND
Question 2:
- what is the proper BIOS setting for
> "High Definition Audio", which have options [Enabled] and [Disabled]
> "Front Panel Type", which have options [AC97] and [HD Audio]
One of the issues is that the manual defines these setting to control the AAFP connector and there is no AAFP connector on this motherboard.
There has been several questions about the pin assignments in the AAFP and ADH connecters and here is the information I found from Intel. Please let me know if this is correct for Asus boards.
High Definition Audio Link Header (AHD, Azalia Digital Header)
Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
1 BCLK 2 Ground
3 RST 4 3.3 V/1.5 V I/O
5 SYNC 6 Ground
7 SDO 8 3.3V_CORE
9 SDI 10 +12 V
11 No connect 12 Key (no pin)
13 No connect 14 3.3 V/1.5V STBY
15 No connect 16 Ground
Front Panel Audio Header (AAFP, Analog Audio Front Panel)
Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
1 [Port 1] Left channel 2 Ground
3 [Port 1] Right channel 4 PRESENCE# (Dongle present)
5 [Port 2] Right channel 6 [Port 1] SENSE_RETURN
7 SENSE_SEND (Jack detection) 8 Key (no pin)
9 [Port 2] Left channel 10 [Port 2] SENSE_RETURN
In some other Intel documents the pin 4 in HD Audio Link Header is only for 3.3 V and pins 9, 11, 13, 15 are used for SDI0, SDI1, Aud RSVD, and Aud RSVD.
"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:fivmae$m39$1@aioe.org...
> Ollie wrote:
>> This card has only the ADH header on the motherboard and no AAFP header.
>> In the some of the related boards, such as P5E-VM and P5E-WS, the
>> situation is reverse - there is AAFP header but no ADH header. Then
>> there are boards, such as P5B, which have both headers.
>> The problem that I am trying to solve is to enable the headset connector
>> in Antec SonataII. I think that I cannot use the standard connector in
>> the prewired cable, but I have to connect 4 or 5 of the 7 wires directly
>> to the ADH connector.
>
> Are you sure the green connector on the SupremeFX II isn't your AAFP
> header ? It kinda looks like it. Check for a legend printed on the
> SupremeFX II in white letters, as to what kind of header that is.
> In the third picture, you can just see "AAF..." in the picture.
>
> http://pics.computerbase.de/1/8/1/8/7/16.jpg
> http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/mainb...ando/audio.jpg
> http://www.motherboards.org/images/r.../1706_p5_9.jpg
>
> Both original SupremeFX and SupremeFX II have the green header -
> but the SupremeFX and SupremeFX II are apparently not interchangeable
> between their respective motherboards.
>
> http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx...Language=en-us
>
> Paul
Paul,
Thanks - you gave an answer for my follow-up questions, even before I had
posted them.
In this picture, it looks like there is another header in the SuprmeFX II in
addition of the AAFP1 green header.
> Paul,
>
> Thanks - you gave an answer for my follow-up questions, even before I had
> posted them.
>
> In this picture, it looks like there is another header in the SuprmeFX II in
> addition of the AAFP1 green header.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowIm...131-219-12.jpg
>
> Do you know what it could be? In the
> http://pics.computerbase.de/1/8/1/8/7/16.jpg picture it looks like a extra
> power supply connector.
>
> Best Regards, Ollie
>
>
Again, check for any legend text printed in white letters.
The connector looks to be an "Aux" or "CD" four pin connector.
I have examples like that, on the surface of my P4C800-E Deluxe
board. That would be my guess, but check to see of you see
some letters printed next to it.
A "CD" one would not be needed, because you can set the optical
drive to use "DAE" or digital audio extraction. So it isn't necessary
to string an "antenna" between the CDROM and the sound card. Sometimes,
you end up getting noise pickup using the old analog cable method.
The four pin "Aux" one might be something you'd use, between a TV capture card
and the sound solution. On my TV card, there is a connector on the
faceplate instead, and that is how the TV sound gets to my sound card.
(If the thing had been designed properly, it would also have been
possible for the sound to be handled completely by the TV card, but
I guess one of their engineers was asleep.)
Re: Asus P5E Front Panel Audio connection - using SupremeFX II
Ollie wrote:
> I have not yet connected the front panel audio to P5E motherboard and
> would like to avoid the smoke. Please share your experience and advices.
>
> My new theory is, that the reason why the AAFP header is not on the
> motherboard is that the SupremeFX II card is included in the P5E
> package. Could you confirm or deny the following assumptions for the
> header at the back end of the SupremeFX II card.
>
> "High Definition Audio" = [Enabled]
> "Front Panel Type" = [HD Audio] This is the default setting
> 1 MIC2_L *2 GND*
> 3 MIC2_R 4 -ACZ_DET
> *5 LINE2_R* *6 FSENSE1
> * 7 FAUDIO_JD 8 No Pin
> *9 LINE2_L* *10 FSENSE2*
>
> "High Definition Audio" = [Enabled]
> "Front Panel Type" = [AC97]
> Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
> 1 MIC *2 GND*
> 3 MIC Power 4 NC
> *5 Line Out (R)* 6 NC
> 7 NC 8 No Pin
> *9 Line Out (L)* 10 NC
>
> "High Definition Audio" = Disabled
> Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
> 1 NC 2 NC
> 3 NC 4 NC
> 5 NC 6 NC
> 7 NC 8 No Pin
> 9 NC 10 NC
> If this assumption is correct, then I should leave the default setting
> in BIOS, forget the ADH header on motherboard, and use the AAFP header
> in SupremeFX II with the following wire assignments:
>
> AUD_GND -> Pin 2
> FPOUT_R -> Pin 5
> RET_R -> Pin 6
> FPOUT_L -> Pin 9
> RET_L -> Pin 10
>
> If I will change the "Front Panel Type" to [AC97], then I will get the
> sound both in the headset and in the speaker system. The default value
> (HD Audio) is better, because it will cut-off the speakers, when the
> headset plug is inserted in the front panel.
>
> In addition of the AAFP in the SupremeFX II, there is another, smaller
> header. What would be its purpose?
>
> Cheers, Ollie
>
> PS. I did google SupremeFX and browsed through AsusTek web site to find
> the manual for SupremeFX, but didn't find it. What is the URL for the
> manual?
>
I agree that with the Sonata, only five wires should be connected.
Basically, the Sonata jacks have three contacts (tip, ring, sleeve).
MIC and MIC_PWR are tip and ring on the microphone jack.
LINEOUT_L and LINEOUT_R are tip and ring on the headphone jack.
Audio_GND is a common ground for sleeve on both jacks.
That means 1,3,5, and 9 on one side are to be connected
(MIC, MIC_PWR, LINEOUT_R, LINEOUT_L). And the ground on
pin 2 is AUD_GND on the Sonata. There is no need to wire
up the return wires, because an HDAudio system (faking AC'97 header)
does not use the return signals.
(This is copied from a Sonata manual I have on disk. Don't
connect item 6 and 7. I added signal names to the end of each line.)
1. Microphone Signal Pin: Connect the MIC connector to this pin. MIC
2. Microphone Power: Connect the MIC-BIAS connector to this pin. MIC_PWR
3. Ground Pin: Connect the AUD GND connector to this pin. GND
4. Front Right Speaker Out Pin: Connect the FPOUT-R connector to this pin. LINEOUT_R
5. Front Right Speaker Out Pin: Connect the FPOUT-L connector to this pin. LINEOUT_L
6. Rear Right Speaker Out Pin: Connect the RET-R connector to this pin.
7. Rear Left Speaker Out Pin: Connect RET-L connector to this pin.
HDAudio has enough channels in the sound chip, that return
signals are not needed (to support a sound muting function
when the headphones are plugged in). HDAudio can fake the
mute function, simply by having separate sound channels for
everything, detecting when headphones have been plugged in,
and then muting the green connector on the back of the computer.
One thing I do not understand about current HDaudio silicon, is
how the jack sensing is done. I know that some companies have
patents for audio sensing, where they measure the impedance
of the connected device. The connected device is not DC
connected, as virtually every input and output on a
sound chip is AC coupled with a small capacitor. When you look
around the sound chip, you should see a pile of small caps for
that purpose. To measure the impedance, they'd need to do
something like insert an ultrasonic signal into the jack,
and sense the current flow. Or something similar. The
exact mechanism is never detailed in the CODEC datasheets.
The Azalia standard from Intel, addresses the use of "side contact"
pairs on the jack. The jack has tip, ring, and sleeve. That
is three contacts. But, in theory, a jack can also have an
isolated pair of switch contacts, and the switch closes when
a plug is inserted in the jack. These switches are connected
to (2) four resistor trees, so that a total of eight jacks
can be sensed. The varying DC voltage value from the resistor
tree, is fed to a couple sense pins on the CODEC, digitized,
and that gives a four bit value for each tree, indicating which
jacks have plugs in them. All the complexity is necessary, so that
only a couple pins are needed on the CODEC, to detect jack
presence.
Since the vast majority of computer cases are still AC'97, they
don't have the side contacts on the jack. The last time I looked,
I wasn't even able to find the proper jack for sale to do it.
That means jack sensing is done using the proprietary or patented
method, without need for the resistor ladder or sense pins. It
means "FSENSE1" and "FSENSE2" in the above table wouldn't be
needed, and neither would there be a need for PRESENCE#, since
the header is not HDaudio.
So only five wires should be needed, just enough to get the
basic audio signals to the two jacks in question. The rest of
it seems to be covered by the CODEC, by means I don't understand.
Ollie wrote:
> This card has only the ADH header on the motherboard and no AAFP
> header. In the some of the related boards, such as P5E-VM and
> P5E-WS, the situation is reverse - there is AAFP header but no ADH
> header. Then there are boards, such as P5B, which have both headers.
[snip]
Hi, Ollie. This is a text only news group. HTML is not good here,
since many news readers only see code and not the information when HTML
is sent. What you need to do, is go to Tools> Options, then click on
the Send tab. At the bottom, where it says "News Sending Format",
select Plain Text.
Re: Asus P5E Front Panel Audio connection - using SupremeFX II
Paul,
Thanks for the detailed explanations.
Cheers, Ollie
PS. I got my P5E just today and I can confirm that the other connector is
for audio input from DVD/CD. If I only had the SupremeFX II manual, it would
be a nice bonus.
"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:fj01sb$li3$1@aioe.org...
> Ollie wrote:
>> I have not yet connected the front panel audio to P5E motherboard and
>> would like to avoid the smoke. Please share your experience and advices.
>> My new theory is, that the reason why the AAFP header is not on the
>> motherboard is that the SupremeFX II card is included in the P5E package.
>> Could you confirm or deny the following assumptions for the header at the
>> back end of the SupremeFX II card.
>> "High Definition Audio" = [Enabled]
>> "Front Panel Type" = [HD Audio] This is the default setting
>> 1 MIC2_L *2 GND*
>> 3 MIC2_R 4 -ACZ_DET
>> *5 LINE2_R* *6 FSENSE1
>> * 7 FAUDIO_JD 8 No Pin
>> *9 LINE2_L* *10 FSENSE2*
>> "High Definition Audio" = [Enabled]
>> "Front Panel Type" = [AC97]
>> Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
>> 1 MIC *2 GND*
>> 3 MIC Power 4 NC
>> *5 Line Out (R)* 6 NC
>> 7 NC 8 No Pin
>> *9 Line Out (L)* 10 NC
>> "High Definition Audio" = Disabled
>> Pin Signal Name Pin Signal Name
>> 1 NC 2 NC
>> 3 NC 4 NC
>> 5 NC 6 NC
>> 7 NC 8 No Pin
>> 9 NC 10 NC
>> If this assumption is correct, then I should leave the default setting in
>> BIOS, forget the ADH header on motherboard, and use the AAFP header in
>> SupremeFX II with the following wire assignments:
>>
>> AUD_GND -> Pin 2
>> FPOUT_R -> Pin 5
>> RET_R -> Pin 6
>> FPOUT_L -> Pin 9
>> RET_L -> Pin 10
>>
>> If I will change the "Front Panel Type" to [AC97], then I will get the
>> sound both in the headset and in the speaker system. The default value
>> (HD Audio) is better, because it will cut-off the speakers, when the
>> headset plug is inserted in the front panel.
>> In addition of the AAFP in the SupremeFX II, there is another, smaller
>> header. What would be its purpose?
>> Cheers, Ollie
>> PS. I did google SupremeFX and browsed through AsusTek web site to find
>> the manual for SupremeFX, but didn't find it. What is the URL for the
>> manual?
>>
>
> I agree that with the Sonata, only five wires should be connected.
>
> Basically, the Sonata jacks have three contacts (tip, ring, sleeve).
> MIC and MIC_PWR are tip and ring on the microphone jack.
> LINEOUT_L and LINEOUT_R are tip and ring on the headphone jack.
> Audio_GND is a common ground for sleeve on both jacks.
>
> That means 1,3,5, and 9 on one side are to be connected
> (MIC, MIC_PWR, LINEOUT_R, LINEOUT_L). And the ground on
> pin 2 is AUD_GND on the Sonata. There is no need to wire
> up the return wires, because an HDAudio system (faking AC'97 header)
> does not use the return signals.
>
> (This is copied from a Sonata manual I have on disk. Don't
> connect item 6 and 7. I added signal names to the end of each line.)
> 1. Microphone Signal Pin: Connect the MIC connector to this pin. MIC
> 2. Microphone Power: Connect the MIC-BIAS connector to this pin. MIC_PWR
> 3. Ground Pin: Connect the AUD GND connector to this pin. GND
> 4. Front Right Speaker Out Pin: Connect the FPOUT-R connector to this pin.
> LINEOUT_R
> 5. Front Right Speaker Out Pin: Connect the FPOUT-L connector to this pin.
> LINEOUT_L
> 6. Rear Right Speaker Out Pin: Connect the RET-R connector to this pin.
> 7. Rear Left Speaker Out Pin: Connect RET-L connector to this pin.
>
> HDAudio has enough channels in the sound chip, that return
> signals are not needed (to support a sound muting function
> when the headphones are plugged in). HDAudio can fake the
> mute function, simply by having separate sound channels for
> everything, detecting when headphones have been plugged in,
> and then muting the green connector on the back of the computer.
>
> One thing I do not understand about current HDaudio silicon, is
> how the jack sensing is done. I know that some companies have
> patents for audio sensing, where they measure the impedance
> of the connected device. The connected device is not DC
> connected, as virtually every input and output on a
> sound chip is AC coupled with a small capacitor. When you look
> around the sound chip, you should see a pile of small caps for
> that purpose. To measure the impedance, they'd need to do
> something like insert an ultrasonic signal into the jack,
> and sense the current flow. Or something similar. The
> exact mechanism is never detailed in the CODEC datasheets.
>
> The Azalia standard from Intel, addresses the use of "side contact"
> pairs on the jack. The jack has tip, ring, and sleeve. That
> is three contacts. But, in theory, a jack can also have an
> isolated pair of switch contacts, and the switch closes when
> a plug is inserted in the jack. These switches are connected
> to (2) four resistor trees, so that a total of eight jacks
> can be sensed. The varying DC voltage value from the resistor
> tree, is fed to a couple sense pins on the CODEC, digitized,
> and that gives a four bit value for each tree, indicating which
> jacks have plugs in them. All the complexity is necessary, so that
> only a couple pins are needed on the CODEC, to detect jack
> presence.
>
> Since the vast majority of computer cases are still AC'97, they
> don't have the side contacts on the jack. The last time I looked,
> I wasn't even able to find the proper jack for sale to do it.
>
> That means jack sensing is done using the proprietary or patented
> method, without need for the resistor ladder or sense pins. It
> means "FSENSE1" and "FSENSE2" in the above table wouldn't be
> needed, and neither would there be a need for PRESENCE#, since
> the header is not HDaudio.
>
> So only five wires should be needed, just enough to get the
> basic audio signals to the two jacks in question. The rest of
> it seems to be covered by the CODEC, by means I don't understand.
>
> Paul
Re: Asus P5E Front Panel Audio connection - using SupremeFX II
Ollie wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Thanks for the detailed explanations.
>
> Cheers, Ollie
>
> PS. I got my P5E just today and I can confirm that the other connector is
> for audio input from DVD/CD. If I only had the SupremeFX II manual, it would
> be a nice bonus.
>
Guessing at the connections isn't a lot of fun. It would at least
be nice for them to confirm that standard pinouts are being used.
I have read your posts, and I tried, but doest work with my case. First of all the ADH front panel drives me crazy... because I never meet this situation
I have the the connectors:
- mic in
- mic vcc
- line r
- line l
- ear r
- ear l
- gnd
I just want to make the headset work... I dont care if its HD AUDIO or AC 97. Any suggestion, how I could make that?
Asus P5E Front Panel Audio connection 
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