"Beryl" <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote in message
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> Seeker wrote:
>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:482527D4.F07E8469@hotmail.com...
>>>
>>> Beryl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seeker wrote:
>>>>> "Wes Newell" <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:c30Vj.175$T1.15@trnddc01...
>>>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:01:29 +0100, Seeker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Abit AN8 Ultra motherboard with a nforce4 Ultra chipset.
>>>>>>> With
>>>>>>> the latest BIOS and drivers
>>>>>>> I have read these have a lot of problems with Sata Hard drives. I
>>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>> Samsung HD753LJ 750GB Hard Drive SATAII but fdisk and format could
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> find 196GB space on the disk.
>>>>>>> The BIOS showed the disk and disk size correctly. So any suggestions
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> SATAII Hard drives In the 500 to 750 GB range, that might work with
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> motherboard.
>>>>>> Hmmm... Seems to me that if the bios saw it correctly but the fdisk
>>>>>> program didn't, the problem would be with the version of fdisk you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
>>>>>> My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm
>>>>>> Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm
>>>>>> AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php
>>>>> I was using the wnME bootdisks fdisk and format.
>>>>> I thought that was the latest.
>>>> WindowsME? That's not going to work.
>>> It IS what MS offer to boot XP systems from a floppy..
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>> I did try the Win XP Disk Mismanagement program and that didn't work
>> either.
>> So I sent the disk back to the supplier.
>> So I looking for recomendations for sata 3 Gbs hard disks people have got
>> to work.
>
> Were you trying to FAT32 format the 750GB drive with the WinME disk?
> Trying to format a large FAT32 partition with XP?
>
> There was a thread here in 2006 about Win9x and whopping big hard drives.
> This post sums it up:
> http://groups.google.co.in/group/alt...53c7bde086c595
>
>
> That thread led me to:
> http://www.48bitlba.com/win98.htm
>
> "System tools in Windows 98 and Me do not work with 48-bit LBA hard
> drives. Specifically... and Fdisk tools do not work with the larger hard
> drives."
>
> "Unfortunately, FDISK, the tool for partitioning a hard drive with Windows
> 98 or Me does not support 48-bit LBA."
>
>
> From the above links, and info from MS pages, I learned that WinXP can
> access existing large FAT partitions, but can't create them. Win9x can
> create larger FAT partitions than XP can, but still can't reliably format
> disks larger than 120GB total, even if they're partitioned into smaller
> pieces. Drive vendors may offer utilities to partition and FAT format
> large drives, and XP can then access them, but 9x still won't be able to
> reliably.
Sata drives come in 2 speeds
SATA 1.5Gbps data transfer rate.
SATA 3Gbps data transfer rate
I was looking for a 500 to 750 GB drive running at 3 GBs
I was planning on Partioning it in Win XP and formatting it in WinME format.
Seeker wrote:
> "Beryl" <flyingterrapin@chillybits.org> wrote in message
> news_WdnU1fIb2nGLvVnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@posted.toast net...
>> Seeker wrote:
>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:482527D4.F07E8469@hotmail.com...
>>>> Beryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Seeker wrote:
>>>>>> "Wes Newell" <w.newell@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:c30Vj.175$T1.15@trnddc01...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:01:29 +0100, Seeker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a Abit AN8 Ultra motherboard with a nforce4 Ultra chipset.
>>>>>>>> With
>>>>>>>> the latest BIOS and drivers
>>>>>>>> I have read these have a lot of problems with Sata Hard drives. I
>>>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>>> Samsung HD753LJ 750GB Hard Drive SATAII but fdisk and format could
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> find 196GB space on the disk.
>>>>>>>> The BIOS showed the disk and disk size correctly. So any suggestions
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> SATAII Hard drives In the 500 to 750 GB range, that might work with
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> motherboard.
>>>>>>> Hmmm... Seems to me that if the bios saw it correctly but the fdisk
>>>>>>> program didn't, the problem would be with the version of fdisk you
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Want the ultimate in free OTA SD/HDTV Recorder? http://mythtv.org
>>>>>>> My Tivo Experience http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/tivo.htm
>>>>>>> Tivo HD/S3 compared http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/mythtivo.htm
>>>>>>> AMD cpu help http://wesnewell.no-ip.com/cpu.php
>>>>>> I was using the wnME bootdisks fdisk and format.
>>>>>> I thought that was the latest.
>>>>> WindowsME? That's not going to work.
>>>> It IS what MS offer to boot XP systems from a floppy..
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I did try the Win XP Disk Mismanagement program and that didn't work
>>> either.
>>> So I sent the disk back to the supplier.
>>> So I looking for recomendations for sata 3 Gbs hard disks people have got
>>> to work.
>> Were you trying to FAT32 format the 750GB drive with the WinME disk?
>> Trying to format a large FAT32 partition with XP?
>>
>> There was a thread here in 2006 about Win9x and whopping big hard drives.
>> This post sums it up:
>> http://groups.google.co.in/group/alt...53c7bde086c595
>>
>>
>> That thread led me to:
>> http://www.48bitlba.com/win98.htm
>>
>> "System tools in Windows 98 and Me do not work with 48-bit LBA hard
>> drives. Specifically... and Fdisk tools do not work with the larger hard
>> drives."
>>
>> "Unfortunately, FDISK, the tool for partitioning a hard drive with Windows
>> 98 or Me does not support 48-bit LBA."
>>
>>
>> From the above links, and info from MS pages, I learned that WinXP can
>> access existing large FAT partitions, but can't create them. Win9x can
>> create larger FAT partitions than XP can, but still can't reliably format
>> disks larger than 120GB total, even if they're partitioned into smaller
>> pieces. Drive vendors may offer utilities to partition and FAT format
>> large drives, and XP can then access them, but 9x still won't be able to
>> reliably.
> Sata drives come in 2 speeds
> SATA 1.5Gbps data transfer rate.
> SATA 3Gbps data transfer rate
> I was looking for a 500 to 750 GB drive running at 3 GBs
> I was planning on Partioning it in Win XP and formatting it in WinME format.
Your partitions were probably too big for the ME utility to format.
Looks like you'll have to select Windows ME/98/95 OSR2 to get WinME
(FAT32) format if that's what you want, and then it might complain that
ME/98/95 don't support large hard drives.
> Seeker wrote:
>
> > Sata drives come in 2 speeds
> > SATA 1.5Gbps data transfer rate.
> > SATA 3Gbps data transfer rate
> > I was looking for a 500 to 750 GB drive running at 3 GBs
> > I was planning on Partioning it in Win XP and formatting it in WinME format.
>
> Your partitions were probably too big for the ME utility to format.
>
> Maybe Samsung's disk manager will do exactly what you want.
> http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...skManager.html
>
> Looks like you'll have to select Windows ME/98/95 OSR2 to get WinME
> (FAT32) format if that's what you want, and then it might complain that
> ME/98/95 don't support large hard drives.
Maybe he needs NTFS partitions ?
In any event 'seeker' seems unwilling to provide the full info, so it's difficult to help
him.
Eeyore wrote:
>
> Beryl wrote:
>
>> Seeker wrote:
>>
>>> Sata drives come in 2 speeds
>>> SATA 1.5Gbps data transfer rate.
>>> SATA 3Gbps data transfer rate
>>> I was looking for a 500 to 750 GB drive running at 3 GBs
>>> I was planning on Partioning it in Win XP and formatting it in WinME format.
>> Your partitions were probably too big for the ME utility to format.
>>
>> Maybe Samsung's disk manager will do exactly what you want.
>> http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...skManager.html
>>
>> Looks like you'll have to select Windows ME/98/95 OSR2 to get WinME
>> (FAT32) format if that's what you want, and then it might complain that
>> ME/98/95 don't support large hard drives.
>
> Maybe he needs NTFS partitions ?
>
> In any event 'seeker' seems unwilling to provide the full info, so it's difficult to help
> him.
>
> Graham
I saw some reviews of the Samsung HD753LJ at newegg.com, and there are
reports that XP takes more than 5 HOURS to format the darn thing.
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Beryl wrote:
>
>> Seeker wrote:
>>
>> > Sata drives come in 2 speeds
>> > SATA 1.5Gbps data transfer rate.
>> > SATA 3Gbps data transfer rate
>> > I was looking for a 500 to 750 GB drive running at 3 GBs
>> > I was planning on Partioning it in Win XP and formatting it in WinME
>> > format.
>>
>> Your partitions were probably too big for the ME utility to format.
>>
>> Maybe Samsung's disk manager will do exactly what you want.
>> http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...skManager.html
>>
>> Looks like you'll have to select Windows ME/98/95 OSR2 to get WinME
>> (FAT32) format if that's what you want, and then it might complain that
>> ME/98/95 don't support large hard drives.
>
> Maybe he needs NTFS partitions ?
>
> In any event 'seeker' seems unwilling to provide the full info, so it's
> difficult to help
> him.
>
> Graham
>
>
Sorry I forget to mention.
This will be my second hard drive.
As my existing WinXP system disk is FAT32 I have to format this FAT32 too.
Also I need FAT32 for access over the network.
On Mon, 12 May 2008 14:15:29 +0100, "Seeker" <alec@thefrosts.f2s.com>
wrote:
>
>"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:482799F9.7457AF95@hotmail.com...
>>
>>
>> Beryl wrote:
>>
>>> Seeker wrote:
>>>
>>> > Sata drives come in 2 speeds
>>> > SATA 1.5Gbps data transfer rate.
>>> > SATA 3Gbps data transfer rate
>>> > I was looking for a 500 to 750 GB drive running at 3 GBs
>>> > I was planning on Partioning it in Win XP and formatting it in WinME
>>> > format.
>>>
>>> Your partitions were probably too big for the ME utility to format.
>>>
>>> Maybe Samsung's disk manager will do exactly what you want.
>>> http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...skManager.html
>>>
>>> Looks like you'll have to select Windows ME/98/95 OSR2 to get WinME
>>> (FAT32) format if that's what you want, and then it might complain that
>>> ME/98/95 don't support large hard drives.
>>
>> Maybe he needs NTFS partitions ?
>>
>> In any event 'seeker' seems unwilling to provide the full info, so it's
>> difficult to help
>> him.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>
>Sorry I forget to mention.
>This will be my second hard drive.
>As my existing WinXP system disk is FAT32 I have to format this FAT32 too.
>Also I need FAT32 for access over the network.
Retail drives usually come with a format utility on a CD that will let
you format either NTFS or FAT32. If it's an OEM drive or didn't come
with a CD, you can usually download a drive prep utility from the
mfg's website.
abit.user wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:44:30 -0700 'Beryl'
> wrote this on alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit:
>
>> I saw some reviews of the Samsung HD753LJ at newegg.com, and there are
>> reports that XP takes more than 5 HOURS to format the darn thing.
>
> I've never used Samsung drives but plan to on my next system
> build. In the past I've always used WD and they never needed
> formatting when new.
>
> Are Samsung different? or is it that I use NTFS on XP, whereas
> this thread seems to be about a user wanting to format in Fat32?
None of my new drives (I've only bought maybe four IDE, no SATA) have
come formatted.
Seeing as you always got WD, they were probably customer returns :^)
Seeker wrote:
> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:482799F9.7457AF95@hotmail.com...
>>
>> Beryl wrote:
>>
>>> Seeker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sata drives come in 2 speeds
>>>> SATA 1.5Gbps data transfer rate.
>>>> SATA 3Gbps data transfer rate
>>>> I was looking for a 500 to 750 GB drive running at 3 GBs
>>>> I was planning on Partioning it in Win XP and formatting it in WinME
>>>> format.
>>> Your partitions were probably too big for the ME utility to format.
>>>
>>> Maybe Samsung's disk manager will do exactly what you want.
>>> http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...skManager.html
>>>
>>> Looks like you'll have to select Windows ME/98/95 OSR2 to get WinME
>>> (FAT32) format if that's what you want, and then it might complain that
>>> ME/98/95 don't support large hard drives.
>> Maybe he needs NTFS partitions ?
>>
>> In any event 'seeker' seems unwilling to provide the full info, so it's
>> difficult to help
>> him.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
>
> Sorry I forget to mention.
> This will be my second hard drive.
> As my existing WinXP system disk is FAT32 I have to format this FAT32 too.
> Also I need FAT32 for access over the network.
I've never had computers networked, but I don't believe FAT32 is
necessary. Other machines aren't going to directly access any of your XP
system's hard drives, they'll request access through XP. You ought to
use NTFS on both drives, unless you're dual-booting 98/ME on the same
machine.
On Mon, 12 May 2008 12:03:57 -0700 'Beryl'
wrote this on alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit:
>abit.user wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:44:30 -0700 'Beryl'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit:
>>
>>> I saw some reviews of the Samsung HD753LJ at newegg.com, and there are
>>> reports that XP takes more than 5 HOURS to format the darn thing.
>>
>> I've never used Samsung drives but plan to on my next system
>> build. In the past I've always used WD and they never needed
>> formatting when new.
>>
>> Are Samsung different? or is it that I use NTFS on XP, whereas
>> this thread seems to be about a user wanting to format in Fat32?
>
>None of my new drives (I've only bought maybe four IDE, no SATA) have
>come formatted.
>Seeing as you always got WD, they were probably customer returns :^)
lol.
I suspect that XP carries out a quick format on the fly.
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