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Yousuf Khan
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 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:21 am Post subject: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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Wondering if it's possible to run a Barton XP 3200+ in the K7S5A
motherboard? I know that the motherboard and chipset don't support the
200MHz DDR FSB of this chip, but would it be possible to run it underclocked
to 133Mhz DDR FSB for a little while, until a suitable replacement
motherboard is found? All I'm concerned about right now is voltage and
power requirements, not the full performance. This particular is motherboard
is currently mated to a 1GHz Thunderbird with the 100Mhz DDR FSB, and I know
that the mobo had support for Palomino XP's in the past.
The reason I want to keep using the existing motherboard is because it uses
the AGP 2X interface. I don't want to have to upgrade the motherboard and
then have to throwaway a perfectly good Geforce2 card because it doesn't fit
on the newer AGP4X and higher interfaces.
Yousuf Khan |
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Rob Stow
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:54 am Post subject: Re: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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Yousuf Khan wrote:
| Quote: | Wondering if it's possible to run a Barton XP 3200+ in the K7S5A
motherboard? I know that the motherboard and chipset don't support the
200MHz DDR FSB of this chip, but would it be possible to run it underclocked
to 133Mhz DDR FSB for a little while, until a suitable replacement
motherboard is found? All I'm concerned about right now is voltage and
power requirements, not the full performance. This particular is motherboard
is currently mated to a 1GHz Thunderbird with the 100Mhz DDR FSB, and I know
that the mobo had support for Palomino XP's in the past.
The reason I want to keep using the existing motherboard is because it uses
the AGP 2X interface. I don't want to have to upgrade the motherboard and
then have to throwaway a perfectly good Geforce2 card because it doesn't fit
on the newer AGP4X and higher interfaces.
Yousuf Khan
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I haven't been able to push a K7S5A beyond an XP2400+. Works
OK with an underclocked XP2600+ (which makes it slower than an
XP2400+ running at its native speed) but not with a 166/333 MHz
FSB 2800+. I am, however, no expert on over/underclocking - I
build or upgrade a few systems every month but they are seldom
with the very fastest Athlons and I very seldom over/underclock.
Wish you the best of luck with a much faster CPU.
I suggest you consider settling for an XP2400+ to help you squeeze
maybe another year out of your system - it will seem like a
huge bump up from a 1 GHz TBird. By then, who knows what will
have happened to prices for todays fastest Athlons - and maybe
Opteron systems will be cheaper and more widely available. |
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Yousuf Khan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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"<>" <givemespam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<bj4bi2$f3q7p$1@ID-168811.news.uni-berlin.de>...
| Quote: | The reason I want to keep using the existing motherboard is because it
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the AGP 2X interface. I don't want to have to upgrade the motherboard and
then have to throwaway a perfectly good Geforce2 card because it doesn't
fit
on the newer AGP4X and higher interfaces.
Your card should work in any modern AGP capable motherboard anyway. It will
be backwards compatible.
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Except that the physical AGP connector design has changed between the
2X and 4X days.
I found that out the hard way when I helped a friend replace a
motherboard with a more modern one. The AGP connector would no longer
accept the older video card.
Yousuf Khan |
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Ed
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:33 am Post subject: Re: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 06:21:26 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"
<bbbl67.spam@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote:
| Quote: | Wondering if it's possible to run a Barton XP 3200+ in the K7S5A
motherboard? I know that the motherboard and chipset don't support the
200MHz DDR FSB of this chip, but would it be possible to run it underclocked
to 133Mhz DDR FSB for a little while, until a suitable replacement
motherboard is found? All I'm concerned about right now is voltage and
power requirements, not the full performance. This particular is motherboard
is currently mated to a 1GHz Thunderbird with the 100Mhz DDR FSB, and I know
that the mobo had support for Palomino XP's in the past.
The reason I want to keep using the existing motherboard is because it uses
the AGP 2X interface. I don't want to have to upgrade the motherboard and
then have to throwaway a perfectly good Geforce2 card because it doesn't fit
on the newer AGP4X and higher interfaces.
Yousuf Khan
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Could try the wire in the socket trick, seems to be the fad now with
older board owners.
http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod_howto.html
http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/workshop/pinmod/amd_pinmod.html
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Yousuf Khan
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:27 am Post subject: Re: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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"Mike G" <m.a.gordon@ncl.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:4mjblv8h3g6lddrl55jqdjbd2o6fu147n0@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Check the pictures of the different AGP connector types here, and
compare them with the connector on your Geforce 2 card:
http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html
Chances are, your Geforce 2 card has the universal type of connector,
so will work fine in 1.5v keyed AGP slots. Older cards (e.g. ATi Rage
based, and 3dfx Voodoo 3) tend to be 3.3v only.
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Interesting. Yeah, I think the friend of mine had a Rage 128-based ATI card,
which seems to be listed as 3.3V only.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:42 am Post subject: Re: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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| Quote: | Except that the physical AGP connector design has changed between the
2X and 4X days.
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Well, you learn something every day. Personally I haven't had a problem
with my cards. |
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Tony Hill
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:56 am Post subject: Re: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:42:39 +0100, "<>" <givemespam@ntlworld.com>
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| Quote: | Except that the physical AGP connector design has changed between the
2X and 4X days.
Well, you learn something every day. Personally I haven't had a problem
with my cards.
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Note that it's not so much the AGP 2x vs. AGP 4x thing as it is a
voltage thing. There are three specifications for voltage, 3.3V, 1.5V
and "universal" (ie it can use either). Most of the AGP 2x cards used
AGP 3.3V, while for AGP 4x cards and later they mostly moved to AGP
1.5V. However, many cards and many AGP slots on motherboards use the
AGP Universal spec, so it that huge of an issue. This may, however,
be getting slightly worse, since fewer and fewer boards seem to be
using the universal AGP slot and instead are opting for the AGP 1.5V
spec (I think that all new Intel chipsets only support AGP 1.5V).
IMO the main problem here is that this is currently rather poorly
documented by most companies. If you don't know exactly what you're
looking for, it's quite tough to tell just what type of AGP card or
motherboard connector you've got.
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Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca |
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cj
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:54:15 -0600, Rob Stow <rob.stow@sasktel.net>
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| Quote: | Yousuf Khan wrote:
Wondering if it's possible to run a Barton XP 3200+ in the K7S5A
motherboard? I know that the motherboard and chipset don't support the
200MHz DDR FSB of this chip, but would it be possible to run it underclocked
to 133Mhz DDR FSB for a little while, until a suitable replacement
motherboard is found? All I'm concerned about right now is voltage and
power requirements, not the full performance. This particular is motherboard
is currently mated to a 1GHz Thunderbird with the 100Mhz DDR FSB, and I know
that the mobo had support for Palomino XP's in the past.
The reason I want to keep using the existing motherboard is because it uses
the AGP 2X interface. I don't want to have to upgrade the motherboard and
then have to throwaway a perfectly good Geforce2 card because it doesn't fit
on the newer AGP4X and higher interfaces.
Yousuf Khan
I haven't been able to push a K7S5A beyond an XP2400+.
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What bios settings do you use for a 2400xp ?
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| Quote: | OK with an underclocked XP2600+ (which makes it slower than an
XP2400+ running at its native speed) but not with a 166/333 MHz
FSB 2800+. I am, however, no expert on over/underclocking - I
build or upgrade a few systems every month but they are seldom
with the very fastest Athlons and I very seldom over/underclock.
Wish you the best of luck with a much faster CPU.
I suggest you consider settling for an XP2400+ to help you squeeze
maybe another year out of your system - it will seem like a
huge bump up from a 1 GHz TBird. By then, who knows what will
have happened to prices for todays fastest Athlons - and maybe
Opteron systems will be cheaper and more widely available. |
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Rob Stow
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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cj wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 00:54:15 -0600, Rob Stow <rob.stow@sasktel.net
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I haven't been able to push a K7S5A beyond an XP2400+.
What bios settings do you use for a 2400xp ?
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Other than flashing the BIOS with a newer version, I can't
remember doing anything special to get that cpu to work.
I've emailed the owner to ask him to check his BIOS and
jumper settings for me - it would be a 6.5 hour drive each
way for me to check them myself. |
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George Macdonald
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: XP3200+ Barton in ECS K7S5A? |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:56:58 GMT, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
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| Quote: | On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:42:39 +0100, "<>" <givemespam@ntlworld.com
wrote:
Except that the physical AGP connector design has changed between the
2X and 4X days.
Well, you learn something every day. Personally I haven't had a problem
with my cards.
Note that it's not so much the AGP 2x vs. AGP 4x thing as it is a
voltage thing. There are three specifications for voltage, 3.3V, 1.5V
and "universal" (ie it can use either). Most of the AGP 2x cards used
AGP 3.3V, while for AGP 4x cards and later they mostly moved to AGP
1.5V. However, many cards and many AGP slots on motherboards use the
AGP Universal spec, so it that huge of an issue.
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Actual implementations were a bit messier than the spec though. Back
during the transition, I never saw a mbrd with a universal connector on it,
i.e. with no key in the socket. What happened was that the card mfrs just
produced cards with two slots in them so they would fit in either 1.5V or
3.3V keyed mbrd sockets. There were never any details in the card specs as
to whether they used 1.5V signalling or whether they used the TYPEDET#
signal to select their operating mode... or from the mbrd side, even if
mbrds were made which could work with both voltage levels.
| Quote: | This may, however,
be getting slightly worse, since fewer and fewer boards seem to be
using the universal AGP slot and instead are opting for the AGP 1.5V
spec (I think that all new Intel chipsets only support AGP 1.5V).
IMO the main problem here is that this is currently rather poorly
documented by most companies. If you don't know exactly what you're
looking for, it's quite tough to tell just what type of AGP card or
motherboard connector you've got.
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Yep.
Rgds, George Macdonald
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