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bassl
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 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:27 pm Post subject: AMD Runs out of steam |
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lately AMD has A little shy regarding the Pc market it's latest
processor the 3200+ is frail and weak in comparison with the P4 3.2
ghz . its also very pricy considering amd earlier models . and why has
the Athlon 64 so late to hit the markets.
what I am seeing is that amd is seeing its last days |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 1:53 am Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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"bassl" <bassel@alf.com.sa> wrote in message
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path
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:26 am Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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what I am seeing is that amd is seeing its last days
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People were saying this about AMD way back when they were selling 486
upgrade chips as the only answer to Intel's Pentium because the K5 was so
so very late. AMD survived and went on to stay head of Intel for so many
years that people now think AMD is dying because their fastest CPUs are
percentage points in speed behind Intel's best. AMD once was so behind
that it'd be like their fastest current CPU being a slot 1 Athlon.
Even if AMD did go down the river financially, who is going to buy them?
IBM... and then AMD would have more resources at their disposal than Intel
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Ed
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 3:58 am Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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On 11 Aug 2003 06:27:06 -0700, bassel@alf.com.sa (bassl) wrote:
| Quote: | lately AMD has A little shy regarding the Pc market it's latest
processor the 3200+ is frail and weak in comparison with the P4 3.2
ghz . its also very pricy considering amd earlier models . and why has
the Athlon 64 so late to hit the markets.
what I am seeing is that amd is seeing its last days
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Na I don't think so, Opteron & Hypertransport is going to save the day!
Ed |
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Grasso
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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Suckers like you should not moan about a tiny percent of disadvantage
for AMD in Intel-sponsored benchmarks but rather compare CPU prices of
1997 with todays! What do you complain about?
Uli
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George Macdonald
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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On 11 Aug 2003 06:27:06 -0700, bassel@alf.com.sa (bassl) wrote:
| Quote: | lately AMD has A little shy regarding the Pc market it's latest
processor the 3200+ is frail and weak in comparison with the P4 3.2
ghz . its also very pricy considering amd earlier models .
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The Athlon XP 3200+ is pricey because it can be... supply/demand!!! - even
XP 3000+ Bartons are not exactly available on every corner. I haven't had
any "frail and weak" processors from any source yet. Where did you get
them?
| Quote: | and why has
the Athlon 64 so late to hit the markets.
what I am seeing is that amd is seeing its last days
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Better start saving up your Ackers for the Intel CPUs then - there'll be a
huge price jump the day that AMD folds up shop.:-[]
Rgds, George Macdonald
"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me?? |
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Robert Myers
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:16:58 GMT, fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com
(George Macdonald) wrote:
| Quote: | On 11 Aug 2003 06:27:06 -0700, bassel@alf.com.sa (bassl) wrote:
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what I am seeing is that amd is seeing its last days
Better start saving up your Ackers for the Intel CPUs then - there'll be a
huge price jump the day that AMD folds up shop.:-[]
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I think the huge price jump Intel is planning on has already happened
in the form of the price for Itanium. As for x86, AMD in a suitably
weak state is Intel's vaccine against the FTC, the EU, the DOJ, and
whoever else might take an unfriendly interest in Intel's x86 market
share.
Very interesting to see how all this turns out. Intel's x86 offerings
compare unfavorably to x86-64 offerings in two important respects:
memory latency and address space. An Intel move to put the memory
controller on the die would surprise me about as much as an Intel move
to x86-64, so I think AMD has a safe little piece of the market for
the moment.
I sort of wonder why Intel hasn't fiddled the clumsy kludge that
allows Xeon to address memory beyond 4GB. My guess is that they don't
want to do anything that will even cast a shadow on Itanium, even if
it means possibly losing x86 sales to AMD. For those who are planning
on the demise of Itanium, I think it as unlikely as the demise of AMD.
RM |
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Never anonymous Bud
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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Separating himself from Baghdad Bob, Robert Myers <rmyers@rustuck.com> whined:
| Quote: | Better start saving up your Ackers for the Intel CPUs then - there'll be a
huge price jump the day that AMD folds up shop.:-[]
I think the huge price jump Intel is planning on has already happened
in the form of the price for Itanium. As for x86, AMD in a suitably
weak state is Intel's vaccine against the FTC, the EU, the DOJ, and
whoever else might take an unfriendly interest in Intel's x86 market
share.
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I've just purchased my first Intel CPU since a 286-12 about 15 years ago.
Hell, I even got a MB with an Intel chipset!
I did this, because it will offer better performance for what I'm doing,
and at only a slight increase in price (over 35% faster in seti@home,
for about 15% more money, AND unbreedable)
Now, IF I had a lot more money to spend, I could have gone with
a dual-Opteron system, or even a four-way Opteron, but....
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
It's your SIG, say what you want to say.... |
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Keith R. Williams
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:58 am Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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In article <se6ijv4s2ee9tco27ab47pncutnuh9mr00@4ax.com>,
thekat@san.rxyzr.com says...
| Quote: | Separating himself from Baghdad Bob, Robert Myers <rmyers@rustuck.com> whined:
Better start saving up your Ackers for the Intel CPUs then - there'll be a
huge price jump the day that AMD folds up shop.:-[]
I think the huge price jump Intel is planning on has already happened
in the form of the price for Itanium. As for x86, AMD in a suitably
weak state is Intel's vaccine against the FTC, the EU, the DOJ, and
whoever else might take an unfriendly interest in Intel's x86 market
share.
I've just purchased my first Intel CPU since a 286-12 about 15 years ago.
Hell, I even got a MB with an Intel chipset!
I did this, because it will offer better performance for what I'm doing,
and at only a slight increase in price (over 35% faster in seti@home,
for about 15% more money, AND unbreedable)
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If SETI is your primary application and justification for a
processor, you really need to get a life! Yikes!
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JK
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:11 am Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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bassl wrote:
| Quote: | lately AMD has A little shy regarding the Pc market it's latest
processor the 3200+ is frail and weak in comparison with the P4 3.2
ghz . its also very pricy considering amd earlier models . and why has
the Athlon 64 so late
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Late? Compared to what? Where are Intel's 64 bit processors for the
desktop?
| Quote: | to hit the markets.
what I am seeing is that amd is seeing its last days
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LOL! Where will Intel be in a few months when 32 bit processors
might all be considered low end? |
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JK
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:16 am Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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LOL! I guess you have forgotten about Opteron and Athlon 64? Are you
an Intel employee who is very worried? Will Intel still do well if AMD has
superior technology?
bassl wrote:
| Quote: | lately AMD has A little shy regarding the Pc market it's latest
processor the 3200+ is frail and weak in comparison with the P4 3.2
ghz . its also very pricy considering amd earlier models . and why has
the Athlon 64 so late to hit the markets.
what I am seeing is that amd is seeing its last days |
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Robert Myers
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:11:01 -0400, JK <JK9821@netcape.net> wrote:
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LOL! Where will Intel be in a few months when 32 bit processors
might all be considered low end?
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The key word there is "might". In reality, I think it a very distant
prospect. 64 bits, in and of itself, doesn't do much for most users.
The only place where it really matters is in the address space. Intel
is doing a nice business now leaning on an address space kludge, and I
suspect that they will be able to continue doing so for quite a while.
RM |
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NM
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:26:15 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
| Quote: | The key word there is "might". In reality, I think it a very distant
prospect. 64 bits, in and of itself, doesn't do much for most users. The
only place where it really matters is in the address space. Intel is
doing a nice business now leaning on an address space kludge, and I
suspect that they will be able to continue doing so for quite a while.
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It will matter quite soon IMO. 3D applications, including but not limited
to games, will soon require it. Also, database applications will benefit
hugely from it; MySQL runs on just about every web server out there, and
it is already working in 64 bits. |
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chrisv
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:33:44 +0200, NM <nico@paris.monnet.biz.nospam>
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| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:26:15 -0400, Robert Myers wrote:
The key word there is "might". In reality, I think it a very distant
prospect. 64 bits, in and of itself, doesn't do much for most users. The
only place where it really matters is in the address space. Intel is
doing a nice business now leaning on an address space kludge, and I
suspect that they will be able to continue doing so for quite a while.
It will matter quite soon IMO.
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Bull. What's "soon"? 4 years? Do you remember how long it took to
migrate from 16-bit to 32-bit?
Reminds me of the people who were saying 3 years ago that the 512M RAM
limitation of certain Intel chipsets was a fatal design flaw. Well,
here we are 3 years later, and 512M is still way, WAY plenty for the
VAST majority of PC users. In fact, 256M is plenty for most.
| Quote: | 3D applications, including but not limited to games, will soon require it.
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Nonsense, even for games. Are you suggesting that, for example, Doom3
won't run fine with a 1G of RAM? Do you know how many years it's been
taking them to do Doom3? Do you know how many years it will be before
a game engine will be developed that needs more than 2G of RAM? Don't
hold your breath.
| Quote: | Also, database applications will benefit
hugely from it; MySQL runs on just about every web server out there, and
it is already working in 64 bits.
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Can you say "niche market"? |
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chrisv
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: AMD Runs out of steam |
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:52:16 -0400, Robert Myers <rmyers@rustuck.com>
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| Quote: | Very interesting to see how all this turns out. Intel's x86 offerings
compare unfavorably to x86-64 offerings in two important respects:
memory latency and address space. An Intel move to put the memory
controller on the die would surprise me about as much as an Intel move
to x86-64, so I think AMD has a safe little piece of the market for
the moment.
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Well, they work-around the latency issue with prefetch, no?
Certainly, any cache miss is going to cost you a zillion CPU clocks,
no matter what tricks you do to reduce latency to main memory... |
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