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DaveW
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: Re: Random Lockup / Freezes for 4 months now... help!

It does indeed sound like a component on your motherboard is failing. I
believe replacing the motherboard would solve the problem.

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DaveW

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"smhyde" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:

Hi everyone. I hope someone can help me solve my PC problem . (I was
going to use this problem as my excuse to build a Duo Core 2 PC, but
now that I priced everything out I think I want to try a little
harder to fix my problem - sticker shock!)

My system has started to “freeze” randomly about two or three times
per day. This has been going on for about 4 months now. There are
no errors and nothing is reported in the event viewer logs. It does
not seem to matter what I am doing, but the more complicated of a
task my computer is performing the more likely I am to experience the
freeze. (Playing a video or burning a DVD is more likely to cause a
freeze than simply using the web or typing in MS Word). I don't
think heat is the issue because if I take the side panel off the PC,
I get the same problems as with the PC closed up (not sure if that's
a sufficient test case or not - you all let me know).

When the freeze happens, the only thing I can do is warm boot the
computer using the reset button on the case. When the computer
“freezes” it’s like a snapshot in time. All input devices stop
working and sound stops. Hard drives stop responding and network
access quits operating (I know this because another computer had a
mapped network drive to this PC, and when the PC froze, the mapped
network drive stopped responding too). The funny thing is that video
keeps displaying a snapshot of what I was doing when the freeze
occurred. The worst “freeze” caused both of the drives in my RAID-1
array to be corrupted in different ways. I initially thought one of
my drives had gone bad so I bought two new Western Digital 250GB SATA
drives and rebuilt the software installations from scratch on the new
drives. To my chagrin, the lockups have continued.

Very rarely, on a cold boot, the PC doesn’t make it through the “early
chipset initialization” and sometimes locks up on the “memory check”.
(My motherboard has status lights that tell you where it is in the
initialization process).

So far I’ve (1) Replaced two of the hard drives (2) run Memtest 86 3.2
and passed (2) tried changing out the memory even though Memtest
passed (3) rebuilt the Windows OS from scratch.

Is there any way to figure out what is wrong here short of just
replacing parts until the problem goes away? I’m starting to suspect
that the Motherboard is going bad (but I guess it could the the
processor or video card too, right?). I’d love to use this as an
excuse to build a nice Core 2 Duo PC, but I'd rather not spend the
money right now if I can fix what I have. This computer is plenty
fast for what I do.

My system:
MSI KT6 Delta MS6590 Motherboard
AMD Athalon XP-2600+ (2GHz)
NVIDA GeForce FX5200
512M RAM
Built in CMedia Audio
Built in Gigabit Ethernet
(2) Western Digital 250GB SATA drives on RAID-1 (internal
to MB)
(1) Western Digital 80GB EIDE drive
Memorex DVD R/W
Toshiba DVD-ROM
Floppy Drive
Bluetooth Adapter
Logitech Wireless Keyboard & Mouse
Windows XP Professional SP2

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

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Rod Speed
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Random Lockup / Freezes for 4 months now... help!

Elorelkaw <no@spam.invalid> wrote:

Quote:

The same thing happens to me and I want answers!

You wont get those by stamping your foot.

Paul
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Pentium D820 & ECSp4800pro-m . System does not boot

zhb3623 wrote:

Quote:

Hi,
I bought this new combo deal in Fry's.
Mobo : ECS P4800Pro-M
CPU : Pentium D820
RAM : 512 MB PC3200

I assembled the system and when I press the power button, the fan
starts to run , the CD drive is powered up. The problem is there is
no display. The BIOS does not start.
I have an onboard VGA.
The options tried :
1. Reseated all the components
2. Moved the RAM to a different Bank
3. Removed the processor and placed it again to make sure it is
seated well.
4. Removed the RAM and unplugged all the cables except the CPU

The problem still persists. The fans and all other devices are
powered up. The system doesnot boot. Niether does it create any beeps
to identify the problem. Any suggestions on this would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
ZHB3623

There are several different versions of that board.

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/ProdMBModel.aspx?CategoryID=1&TypeID=32&MenuID=93&LanID=9

While it isn't too likely, is it possible the BIOS version is old ?
The ECS site does not describe what happens with older BIOS
releases. If you can borrow a Celeron D LGA775, I'd try installing
that, and then upgrade the BIOS (assuming it is an old release).
The "CPU Support" page is a link on each motherboard product page.
This is the link for V1.0 .

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?MenuID=93&LanID=9&DetailID=552&DetailName=CPU%20Support

Also, the HDD LEDs glowing continuously is not a good sign.
Disconnect the hard drive ribbon (or SATA) cables and try again
(to see if you can get any beeps). The motherboard could be
bad, and that might be what is keeping the drive lights running.
Disconnecting the hard drive, is just in case the drive is bad.
You want to give the motherboard a fair chance, after all.

The customer reviews on Newegg can give you some idea as to
how common DOA boards are, for any of their listed models. Some
boards/brands have more DOA (dead on arrival) than others.

Also, if you are about to remove the motherboard from the computer
case, have a look at the brass standoffs. A standoff should only
be installed, where there is a tin-plated hole to mount it to.
Standoffs are not supposed to touch any copper tracks, or areas
not designed for a standoff. On some motherboards, one hole is
"missing", and a standoff installed underneath that spot, can
fry stuff.

Did you connect the ATX 12V 2x2 square power connector ? The
processor won't run without it (Biostar boards excepted).

Paul

Paul
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Random Lockup / Freezes for 4 months now... help!

smhyde wrote:

Quote:

Hi everyone. I hope someone can help me solve my PC problem . (I was
going to use this problem as my excuse to build a Duo Core 2 PC, but
now that I priced everything out I think I want to try a little
harder to fix my problem - sticker shock!)

My system has started to ?freeze? randomly about two or three times
per day. This has been going on for about 4 months now. There are
no errors and nothing is reported in the event viewer logs. It does
not seem to matter what I am doing, but the more complicated of a
task my computer is performing the more likely I am to experience the
freeze. (Playing a video or burning a DVD is more likely to cause a
freeze than simply using the web or typing in MS Word). I don't
think heat is the issue because if I take the side panel off the PC,
I get the same problems as with the PC closed up (not sure if that's
a sufficient test case or not - you all let me know).

When the freeze happens, the only thing I can do is warm boot the
computer using the reset button on the case. When the computer
?freezes? it?s like a snapshot in time. All input devices stop
working and sound stops. Hard drives stop responding and network
access quits operating (I know this because another computer had a
mapped network drive to this PC, and when the PC froze, the mapped
network drive stopped responding too). The funny thing is that video
keeps displaying a snapshot of what I was doing when the freeze
occurred. The worst ?freeze? caused both of the drives in my RAID-1
array to be corrupted in different ways. I initially thought one of
my drives had gone bad so I bought two new Western Digital 250GB SATA
drives and rebuilt the software installations from scratch on the new
drives. To my chagrin, the lockups have continued.

Very rarely, on a cold boot, the PC doesn?t make it through the ?early
chipset initialization? and sometimes locks up on the ?memory check?.
(My motherboard has status lights that tell you where it is in the
initialization process).

So far I?ve (1) Replaced two of the hard drives (2) run Memtest 86 3.2
and passed (2) tried changing out the memory even though Memtest
passed (3) rebuilt the Windows OS from scratch.

Is there any way to figure out what is wrong here short of just
replacing parts until the problem goes away? I?m starting to suspect
that the Motherboard is going bad (but I guess it could the the
processor or video card too, right?). I?d love to use this as an
excuse to build a nice Core 2 Duo PC, but I'd rather not spend the
money right now if I can fix what I have. This computer is plenty
fast for what I do.

My system:
MSI KT6 Delta MS6590 Motherboard
AMD Athalon XP-2600+ (2GHz)
NVIDA GeForce FX5200
512M RAM
Built in CMedia Audio
Built in Gigabit Ethernet
(2) Western Digital 250GB SATA drives on RAID-1 (internal
to MB)
(1) Western Digital 80GB EIDE drive
Memorex DVD R/W
Toshiba DVD-ROM
Floppy Drive
Bluetooth Adapter
Logitech Wireless Keyboard & Mouse
Windows XP Professional SP2

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Freezing is a peculiar kind of fault, compared to BSOD/crash or
reset/reboot. Freezing can be caused by things like driver problems
(a certain Ethernet chip and driver being an example in the last
couple years). If the OS gets stuck in a loop for some reason,
that can look like a freeze.

Freezing is hard to debug, and can require a lot of test cases.
Simplifying the setup, by removing certain suspicious devices,
might help. Replace keyboard and mouse with a PS/2 setup.
Disconnect the Bluetooth adapter. Uninstall any burner software
you might be using. Those are the ones that come to mind. I'd
like to suggest uninstalling antivirus software as well, but that
would do more harm than good (some antivirus software is quite
resistant to uninstallation, and uninstalling only makes a mess).

Using a spare disk, and doing a clean install, can give you a
baseline to work with. If the system won't freeze, with a
minimal OS install and no fancy programs in place (like burner
software), then you can start looking in the software direction.

For hardware, you would need to collect a whole bunch of test
results, and compare symptoms from the tests, to see if there
is a common theme. I'll give just one example, so I won't annoy
you. Give 3DMark2001SE Build330 a try. It has a demo mode and
a tick box will cause the demo mode to loop forever. The demo
mode has sound output. It is a good workout of video, sound,
and processor. It probably won't make the system run too hot.

http://www.futuremark.com/download/3dmark2001/

Does the system freeze when the demo loop is running ? Is
the sound card still sending sound to the speakers after
a freeze ? If the sound is dead, then the system bus could
be hung. At which point I might swap out the motherboard.

(The video card continues to display a snapshot of what you
were doing, because the frame buffer on the video card has
a copy of the entire desktop window. The logic on the video
card continues to read out of the frame buffer and paint
the screen, with no intervention needed.)

This thread suggests there is a Vlink voltage setting, and
maybe you can play with that.

http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.msi-microstar/browse_frm/thread/c59e9715c8fa77ec/7d30d5cf0302e1bc

Paul

JAD
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: Re: Question about cmos battery and symptoms

"janger" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:

It doesn't matter. Still having problems with a new battery.

Next question: can a bad psu cause bad sectors on hd and firmware
corruption in dvd burners?

i would suspect the ribbon cable first, using round cables?

JAD
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Computer locks up or drops to desktop

game patch?

"rapscallion" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:

I'm having similar problems as smhyde (another thread here), but not
wanting to hijack his thread and having tried different things to try
and solve the problem I thought I'd post a separate thread.

My dad's been having some issues with a computer I built for him a
couple of years back.
He says that when he's in the middle of a game (Morrow Wind: ES III at
the moment) the game either locks up or gets minimized and he gets
dropped to the desktop.

I replaced the rear exhaust fan with a new one, but it didn't fix it.
I added a front intake fan. Didn't fix it either.
I upgraded the drivers for his video card. No go.
I changed his power supply from a 350W to an Antec 450W. Still locks
up.
I swapped out the RAM and added another 512 stick. Didn't work.

He took it to a tech who told him his video card was too weak and was
straining under load. So he upgraded his 9200 to a 7600GS, and the
tech did a fresh install of Win XP.
That didn't work either.

So last night I went over and changed the CPU heat sink/fan as a last
resort, and left the computer running without the side panels to get
some ventilation. He called me a couple of hours later and told me
the problem is still there.

My dad is thinking he probably wants to upgrade soon anyway, but at
the moment I really don't have the time to build a new rig. I'd
rather patch up his current one for now.
Do any of you have any ideas of what else it could be? I'm fresh out
of clues.

System:
AMD 2600 (had it mildly overclocked before the reinstall)
EPoX EP-8RDA+Pro Socket A motherboard
Nvidia 7600GS (XFX, I think)
Antec 450W PS
1 gig of Corsair value select RAM
120 gig WD hd
Windows XP sp2

JAD
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Computer locks up or drops to desktop

bios video settings out of wack? Aperture...fast writes

"rapscallion" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:

Paul
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Computer locks up or drops to desktop

rapscallion wrote:

Quote:

"a tech who told him his video card was too weak and was straining
under load"

That is just plain silly. A video card can run at 0% or it can run
at 100%, and it cannot go any faster than that. The cooler on the
card is designed to cool it, when it is running at 100%. It is not
like a car engine. There is no "strain". I can game for 12 hours
straight with my *** FX5200 and there is not a wimper from the
card.

In terms of diagnostics, the best things in life are free. You
cna use memtest86+ (memtest.org), Prime95 torture test (mersenne.org)
and various versions of 3DMark (available various places, and I
like 3DMark2001SE build 330, because it makes even my poor video
card, look like a hero).

The purpose of tests like that, is to establish whether it is
memory, processor, or video that might be at fault. By video,
it might be video card itself (which you've replaced) or it
could be the video card slot on the motherboard (poorly designed
Northbridge AGP interface for example, like my TUA266).

You claim to have overclocked the processor. Prime95 is the
arbiter of whether you did a good job or not. If Prime fails in
minutes, then you have a processor stability problem. It could
be that the processor needs more voltage (up to a point - if
the voltage is not helping, turn it back down - excess voltage
only makes things run hotter). It could be that the processor
really cannot manage the speed you are using.

EPoX EP-8RDA+Pro
http://www.epox.nl/products/?product_cat_id=1&product_type_id=4

The Epox board is Nforce2. Mforce2 is picky about RAM. My Nforce2
board only worked well, wnen I installed DDR400 CAS2 memory. If I
turn my other memory down a notch, like between 166Mhz and 180MHz
(DDR333 to about DDR360), it would be OK. But the memory would not
run full speed.

Usually Nforce2 BIOS, have a manual memory adjustment. I believe the
Nforce2 has internal clock synthesis, at least it seems like it, and
offers settings like "83%" as a manual setting. You could try turning
down the memory speed, as part of your debugging activities. (I bought
my CAS2 memory, because I wanted to run at full speed. It is not
essential to do that, but I also wanted the CAS2 so I could
experiment with the settings some more.) So with Nforce2, spend
some time with the memory subsystem.

You've also received good advice, like a game patch. It is always
a good idea, to investigate that aspect of the problem. Some games
have a history of being nothing but trouble.

You can also download other game demos, and test with those. ADSL
or cable modem, makes that a reality. If you are on dialup, that
is not much of a test strategy. The download time would be too long
to be practical. BF2 demo is one you can try, and that should run
on the 7600GS. If you error out in a short interval, with a program
like that, then some of your hardware is not stable or adjusted so
it will work best.

The tech you took the machine to, should have recognized the
Nforce2 chipset, and offered advice. "Straining" is not much
in the way of useful feedback. But displaying some knowledge
of the quirks of the chipset, would have been helpful, such
as the "picky RAM" issue.

Paul

Rod Speed
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: Re: New PC randomly rebooting!!!

venomize <no@spam.invalid> wrote

Quote:

A friend recently helped me build a new PC, and it's having a super
nasty, irritating problem where it randomly reboots itself while I'm
in the middle of something important. I'm a bit green when it comes
to hardware stuff, so I was hoping someone could help me troubleshoot
the problem. I'll post the system specs below, as well as the error I'm getting:

Specs:

Windows XP Professional
Proc: Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66 GHz @ 1066 / 4MB L2 cache
Memory: Corsair PC4200 Dual Core 2 GB RAM (2x1GB 533 MHz)

You're sposed to be using DDR2 ram in that system.
Put the motherboard into
http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/configurator_search.html

Quote:

Motherboard: Asus P5W DH DLX Core 2
Hard drive: Seagate Ultra ATA/100 7200 RPM 8MB cache
Graphics card: Nvidia Quadro FX 1400 (mfg by PNY Technologies?)
Power supply: Ultra 500 Watt ATX (total output power 500 W, AC input
voltage 115V/230V))
extra case fan

I don't know anything about voltage etc.. not sure if there is something
incompatible here? I did download and update the latest BIOS.

----------

I'm running Asus PC Probe to monitor temps. I'm not
sure what all of them mean, but here's what they read..

These ones are green -

CPU: 44C (manual says it's supposed to be at or below 38C,
but the temp seems pretty stable. Is it OK if it's a little over?

Yes.

Quote:

Should I just set the threshhold temperature
higher so it doesn't sound an alarm?)

Yes, set it at 50C.

Quote:

+3.3: 3.46V
Vcore: 1.29V
+5: 5.20V
+12: 12.30V

Those are fine.

Quote:

These ones are red -

MB: 50C

Yeah, thats a bit high, likely you arent getting good airflow thru
the case, but it shouldnt be higher than the cpu, so likely its bogus.
See what Everest says. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181

Quote:

CPU fan: 1721 RPM

Again, other than the CPU temp, I'm not even sure what
levels these should be running at. The motherboard's
manual didn't list what the temp should be running at.

It cant, its essentially determined by the case fans and airflow.

Quote:

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I turned off Windows' automatic reboot option, so I would get a
"blue screen of death" error message. This is what it says
(and it's all Greek to me):

STOP: 0x0000008E (0xC0000005, 0x805502E0, 0xB59B4AB8, 0x00000000)
Beginning dump of physical memory.
Physical memory dump complete.

The event log should be more intelligable.

Its whining about a memory error. Run memtest86 overnight and if
that doesnt show any problem, run the Prime95 system *** test.

Quote:

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I'm really hoping that there is an easy solution and someone can help me fix this.

Looks like it doesnt like the memory much.

> Thanks in advance for any help!!!

DaveW
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Geforce fx5500

Yes, that video card is dying.

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DaveW

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"Ken1937" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:

been running this card for close to a year with no problems now all of
a sudden I am getting black spots in everything desktop picture
viewer movies little black spots everywhere i checked the monitor by
plugging it into my laptop and it seems fine does not happen I
upgraded the drivers still the same thing is this what happens when a
video card goes ? Ive never had one die on me before

Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: pc getting slower?

hello sir you install free ram xp software its best to performence
encrese your pc i tried it ts best for hp are othe 3.6 those slow and
prosesing so slow try it if it got good reply me that ...
endlessmug wrote:

Quote:

recently my pc seems to have gotten slower for no reason.
i defrag all the time, check for virus' & spyware etc. all that
good stuff.

i have winxp 3.6 ghz p4 1gig ram and i'm not overclocking

it is taking longer to boot and things are just slower. for example,
when i run itunes and try and run another program (even something as
simple as WORD at times) the music starts slowing down and getting
all choppy and things are slow. that would NEVER happen before.

things are taking longer to render or unzip, etc.
i'm not sure how high cpu usage is compared to when my pc was acting
normal.

but i think a 3.6ghz p4 shouldnt be acting this way. i could multitask
easily before. i set everything in bios to the default just in case i
might have changed anything, but nothing happened.

any idea what's happening? frown

DaveW
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: Re: computer locks up

Somewhere inside you have a thermal fault that is causing the lockup. The
two most likely culprits are the power supply unit and the motherboard. The
easiest test to try first is for you to replace the PSU with a known working
one. If that does not fix it then you probably have a dying motherboard.

--
DaveW

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"mike1o91" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:

hi
my computer locks up when its on. if my computer is on and i leave it
there after awhile say maybe like half an hour it locks up. all i see
is my desktop picture, my mouse moves but there nothing there but my
desktop picture. I've tried turning off the screen saver but it still
locks up. can someone help me

thx

DaveW
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Very Weird Problem, Unable to reformat....

It sounds like your motherboard may be failing with those errors.

--
DaveW

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"ross_wittenmyer" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:

Ok, I want to reformat my computer but the dvd-drive isn't recognizing
the disk. However, when it boots up it does, although it wont read
some disks. It is recognized in bios also. Oh and when it boots XP it
says something bout the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels being
unable to be installed. I am soon gonna drive a new drive and XP
disk. IF any one can help I would appreciate it very much it.

BTW before it was BSODing and i was getting Multiple IRP errors and
IRQ errors.

OSbandito
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: Re: Tyan Thunder K8WE does not start

Quote:

fasttrack wrote:
Hi:
M/B model:
Tyan Thunder 2895 (Bios version as installed by manufacturer)
Dual Opteron 246 HE

I have bought a Tyan Thunder 2895, installed everything: disk, PSU
(TAGAN TG700-U25 for this kind of M/B).

Start Server 2003 installation on SCSI disk 80 pin with adapter 68
pin.
Adaptec 29320 HostRaid.
The installation goes on but after 15 mins suddenly the system switch
off without complete the installation.

After that everything is dead, I tried several time to press the start
button but nothing happen.
Check every components if they are installed and cable well connected:
everything looks OK.

The only light on is the keyboard.

Do you Know something?
How to solve the problem?
What to check and How?

Did you switch off the supply at the back, znd then turn it on again ?
Sometimes you have to do that to clear a fault.

It could be that the CPU overheated, if you didn't fit the heatsink
properly on the CPU.

Also, are you using a recommended power supply from the list here ?
Server boards with a lot of power connectors, need the right PSU
for the job.

http://www.tyan.com/support/html/r_s2895.html

Paul

fasttrack, this probably has nothing to do with fixing the problem but
thought I'd pass it along. I believe the 80-to-68 adapter reduces your
HD from a SCSI Ultra_Wide to Ultra-Narrow. This reduces the performance
of the drive and, in the past, was not recommended by Quantum techs. If
the drive is actually an Ultra-Wide you wish to run 80-pin, you'll need
a different Adaptec card. I think the 68-pin card has no firmware, while
their Ultra-Wide card has an updateable flash chip. This is all from
experience with a Mac(non-RAID) but SCSI is same for PC?

larry moe 'n curly
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Monitor dead?

Flobber wrote:

Quote:

Turned it on this morning and all I now get is a quiet fast clicking
sound. The front LED light wont come on either anymore.

It's not practical to have it fixed by a shop because they'll charge
almost as much as a new monitor, and used CRT monitors in good
conditionare available everywhere now -- try CraigsList.com, apartment
dumpsters, etc. They're so plentiful that I don't even bother picking
up used 17" CRTs any more -- I've found five 19" CRTs.

Don't attempt DIY repair unless you know how to work on high voltage
stuff and easy to shatter glass (vacuum actually makes it explode).
www.repairfaq.org is a good general repair guide.

The flyback is probably fine, and you may just have a bad electrolytic
capacitor or power transistor or IC in the flyback power supply or
main power supply.

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