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Falkentyne
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 Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:45 am Post subject: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39119028,00.htm
now that it's officially extended, hopefully there's good excuse for
games (even LO-MAC in it's current patch state...still a bit iffy) to
keep supporting it.
I wonder what this means for drivers. (Come on, Nvidia, get your 98/me
driver support back up to par...)
Seems like over the last 6 months only, a bunch of software appeared
that was 2k/xp only...
And is MS ever going to fix that REDICULOUS scrollbar IE bug that
cropped into the last IE update last October (even affects XP, as far
as I know....)
Flame away....
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it is "MonsterKill", In Quake3 it is "Excellent",
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James
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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Falkentyne <nospam@verizon.net> wrote in
news:bpih009q7mlahjtivr9mfki7cbmru46e8k@4ax.com:
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Wow, talk about a major shock! |
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Ian Firth
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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In article <bpih009q7mlahjtivr9mfki7cbmru46e8k@4ax.com>,
nospam@verizon.net says...
| Quote: | now that it's officially extended, hopefully there's good excuse for
games (even LO-MAC in it's current patch state...still a bit iffy) to
keep supporting it.
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Go buy a calendar.
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Ian Firth |
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Falkentyne
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 07:38:31 GMT, Ian Firth <ian@divsoft.com>
enlightened us by scribbling this gem of wisdom:
| Quote: | In article <bpih009q7mlahjtivr9mfki7cbmru46e8k@4ax.com>,
nospam@verizon.net says...
now that it's officially extended, hopefully there's good excuse for
games (even LO-MAC in it's current patch state...still a bit iffy) to
keep supporting it.
Go buy a calendar.
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Huh? Why? I already have a calender, thank you very much!
You sound like one of those teenagers who play Battlefield:1942...
<Gibs> When you kill 6 people in Unreal Tournament
it is "MonsterKill", In Quake3 it is "Excellent",
in Counter-Strike it is "Kicked by console" |
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Darthy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:45:52 GMT, Falkentyne <nospam@verizon.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39119028,00.htm
now that it's officially extended, hopefully there's good excuse for
games (even LO-MAC in it's current patch state...still a bit iffy) to
keep supporting it.
I wonder what this means for drivers. (Come on, Nvidia, get your 98/me
driver support back up to par...)
Seems like over the last 6 months only, a bunch of software appeared
that was 2k/xp only...
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Er... dont count on it. In the past 12 months, driver support and
patches have gone down hill big time. The only support is that M$
will handle tech calls (Paid by the customer) and important security
patches... nothing more.
No new hardware supports Windows9x correctly anymore because of
drivers.
Also, many of these "drivers" cause problems as they get sloppy or
possibly have problems built-into them (more than usual) which makes
XP more attractive.
Remember - DOS is still used all over the world to handle jobs that
dont require GUI (such as automatiation at factories) - since its
running ONLY 1 program, system failure is very unlikly.
I've compared Win98 to WinXP for modern hardware, unlike 2 years ago -
things have changed and CPU/system performance is 20% faster over
Win98... but for older systems, Win98 would be better to use.
| Quote: | And is MS ever going to fix that REDICULOUS scrollbar IE bug that
cropped into the last IE update last October (even affects XP, as far
as I know....)
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Oh... you mean when you try to scroll back up, and it SCROLLS back
down the page for you? Yeah, I've seen that lately.
| Quote: | Gibs> When you kill 6 people in Unreal Tournament
it is "MonsterKill", In Quake3 it is "Excellent",
in Counter-Strike it is "Kicked by console"
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In UT2003, it's now "HOOOOLY SHIIITTT-IT-IT-it-it!!"
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When 512K of video RAM was a lot!
Death to Palladium & WPA!! |
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Flow
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:43 am Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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Pfff, you all seem to forget XP is based on previous windows versions.
So you would be surprised how many today's hardware will install correct on
win98.
Not to mention the users who are still on older windows versions for several
reasons.
WindowsXP is certainly not the revolutionairy os that is promised for so
long.
In fact it runs not any better then a fine tuned win98 system.
B.t.w. i got all windows versions.
Im still waiting for that better os to arrive. :s
"Darthy" <DarthGates@microsoftsucksass.com> schreef in bericht
news:t0vh009dmgj3kmnso5sr068dnrr1noo5oi@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:45:52 GMT, Falkentyne <nospam@verizon.net
wrote:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39119028,00.htm
now that it's officially extended, hopefully there's good excuse for
games (even LO-MAC in it's current patch state...still a bit iffy) to
keep supporting it.
I wonder what this means for drivers. (Come on, Nvidia, get your 98/me
driver support back up to par...)
Seems like over the last 6 months only, a bunch of software appeared
that was 2k/xp only...
Er... dont count on it. In the past 12 months, driver support and
patches have gone down hill big time. The only support is that M$
will handle tech calls (Paid by the customer) and important security
patches... nothing more.
No new hardware supports Windows9x correctly anymore because of
drivers.
Also, many of these "drivers" cause problems as they get sloppy or
possibly have problems built-into them (more than usual) which makes
XP more attractive.
Remember - DOS is still used all over the world to handle jobs that
dont require GUI (such as automatiation at factories) - since its
running ONLY 1 program, system failure is very unlikly.
I've compared Win98 to WinXP for modern hardware, unlike 2 years ago -
things have changed and CPU/system performance is 20% faster over
Win98... but for older systems, Win98 would be better to use.
And is MS ever going to fix that REDICULOUS scrollbar IE bug that
cropped into the last IE update last October (even affects XP, as far
as I know....)
Oh... you mean when you try to scroll back up, and it SCROLLS back
down the page for you? Yeah, I've seen that lately.
Gibs> When you kill 6 people in Unreal Tournament
it is "MonsterKill", In Quake3 it is "Excellent",
in Counter-Strike it is "Kicked by console"
In UT2003, it's now "HOOOOLY SHIIITTT-IT-IT-it-it!!"
--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!
Death to Palladium & WPA!! |
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Rudolph McCrack
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:21 am Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:43:02 +0100, "Flow" <flowing@zonnet.nl> wrote:
| Quote: | Pfff, you all seem to forget XP is based on previous windows versions.
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And you seem to forget that XP is based on the NT OS and not the
Dos/Win3.1 OS as Win98 is. XP is *much* better than Win9x in the
stability area. |
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Bill Seurer
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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Rudolph McCrack wrote:
| Quote: | XP is *much* better than Win9x in the
stability area.
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Yeah, yeah. Except when it isn't. I have systems with everything from
'98 to XP and the only ones that are LESS stable are the ME ones. They
didn't work well from the get go. '98, 2000, and XP system all tend to
become less stable over time and eventually you need to reinstall
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J. Clarke
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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Flow wrote:
| Quote: | Pfff, you all seem to forget XP is based on previous windows versions.
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Yeah. On 2000, which is based on NT, which is very loosely based on OS/2
and VMS.
| Quote: | So you would be surprised how many today's hardware will install correct
on win98.
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Which has zip all to do with XP. XP drivers don't work with 98, 98 drivers
don't work with XP.
| Quote: | Not to mention the users who are still on older windows versions for
several reasons.
WindowsXP is certainly not the revolutionairy os that is promised for so
long.
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Promised by who? XP was the promised union of the 9X and NT branches of
Windows. Nobody promised anything "revolutionary".
| Quote: | In fact it runs not any better then a fine tuned win98 system.
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Then there's something wrong with your installation.
| Quote: | B.t.w. i got all windows versions.
Im still waiting for that better os to arrive. :s
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It has. Its name starts with an L. <eg>
| Quote: | "Darthy" <DarthGates@microsoftsucksass.com> schreef in bericht
news:t0vh009dmgj3kmnso5sr068dnrr1noo5oi@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:45:52 GMT, Falkentyne <nospam@verizon.net
wrote:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39119028,00.htm
now that it's officially extended, hopefully there's good excuse for
games (even LO-MAC in it's current patch state...still a bit iffy) to
keep supporting it.
I wonder what this means for drivers. (Come on, Nvidia, get your 98/me
driver support back up to par...)
Seems like over the last 6 months only, a bunch of software appeared
that was 2k/xp only...
Er... dont count on it. In the past 12 months, driver support and
patches have gone down hill big time. The only support is that M$
will handle tech calls (Paid by the customer) and important security
patches... nothing more.
No new hardware supports Windows9x correctly anymore because of
drivers.
Also, many of these "drivers" cause problems as they get sloppy or
possibly have problems built-into them (more than usual) which makes
XP more attractive.
Remember - DOS is still used all over the world to handle jobs that
dont require GUI (such as automatiation at factories) - since its
running ONLY 1 program, system failure is very unlikly.
I've compared Win98 to WinXP for modern hardware, unlike 2 years ago -
things have changed and CPU/system performance is 20% faster over
Win98... but for older systems, Win98 would be better to use.
And is MS ever going to fix that REDICULOUS scrollbar IE bug that
cropped into the last IE update last October (even affects XP, as far
as I know....)
Oh... you mean when you try to scroll back up, and it SCROLLS back
down the page for you? Yeah, I've seen that lately.
Gibs> When you kill 6 people in Unreal Tournament
it is "MonsterKill", In Quake3 it is "Excellent",
in Counter-Strike it is "Kicked by console"
In UT2003, it's now "HOOOOLY SHIIITTT-IT-IT-it-it!!"
--
Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!
Death to Palladium & WPA!!
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Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Rudolph McCrack
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:49:53 -0600, Bill Seurer
<Bill@seurer.netNOSPAM> wrote:
| Quote: | Yeah, yeah. Except when it isn't. I have systems with everything from
'98 to XP and the only ones that are LESS stable are the ME ones. They
didn't work well from the get go. '98, 2000, and XP system all tend to
become less stable over time and eventually you need to reinstall
everything (and hope).
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98 sucks goats compared to XP and they are not equal in quality at
all. |
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Darthy
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:18:01 -0800, Rudolph McCrack
<rud_Mc@here.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:49:53 -0600, Bill Seurer
Bill@seurer.netNOSPAM> wrote:
Yeah, yeah. Except when it isn't. I have systems with everything from
'98 to XP and the only ones that are LESS stable are the ME ones. They
didn't work well from the get go. '98, 2000, and XP system all tend to
become less stable over time and eventually you need to reinstall
everything (and hope).
98 sucks goats compared to XP and they are not equal in quality at
all.
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Yeah, WinXP sucks at a completly different level. XP does some cool
things (And Im using it right now)... here is the ONLY reason I use
WinXP.
1 - Driver support (win98 driver support is now ***)
2 - Proper Memory support above 512mb.
3 - Proper support for HDs over 130GB
4 - Memory mangement.
Having a stable system is important, new hardware is blowing chunks on
Win98 nowadays. other than that, I prefer the reliablity of Windows98
being easily accessable in case of failure (the way WinXP is not) and
the activation issues.
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Remember when real men used Real computers!?
When 512K of video RAM was a lot!
Death to Palladium & WPA!! |
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Ian Firth
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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In article <bpih009q7mlahjtivr9mfki7cbmru46e8k@4ax.com>,
nospam@verizon.net says...
| Quote: | now that it's officially extended, hopefully there's good excuse for
games (even LO-MAC in it's current patch state...still a bit iffy) to
keep supporting it.
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Go buy a calendar.
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Regards,
Ian Firth |
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Darthy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:59:04 -0800, McCrack <no@email.here> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:46:06 GMT, Darthy
DarthGates@microsoftsucksass.com> wrote:
Yeah, WinXP sucks at a completly different level. XP does some cool
things (And Im using it right now)... here is the ONLY reason I use
WinXP.
1 - Driver support (win98 driver support is now ***)
2 - Proper Memory support above 512mb.
3 - Proper support for HDs over 130GB
4 - Memory mangement.
Having a stable system is important, new hardware is blowing chunks on
Win98 nowadays. other than that, I prefer the reliablity of Windows98
being easily accessable in case of failure (the way WinXP is not) and
the activation issues.
Here's what I do. Install a hard drive caddy system (I have a Lian-Li
RH27) and then install as many OS's as you like to their own HDD. One
goes down you always have another to use. I have XP, Win98SE and
Mandrake Linux 9.2 all installed to their own HDD and can use all on
the one PC. I have a fourth HDD sitting here but don't know which OS
to go for next. Beos?
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I was going to suggest BeOS... heheh
Ya know what if really scr**ed about BeOS?! Is that when PALM bought
out BeOS (for their experinced programmers) - they totally scr**ed up
a chance to something neat!
1 - Make BeOS free... or $20 Per CD that anyone can install as an
upgrade / new system or...
2 - Make BeOS a GNU OS
It WAS an amazing OS, Stable as hell, SIMPLE to use interface without
the bullshit of Windows or Linux. IT WORKED!!!
But fubared support from Be.
If they didn't wanna make money on it, they could have made it
available... thousands of people were using it. Hell, they could have
sold it to Amiga Inc for $100,000.
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Death to Palladium & WPA!! |
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Darthy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 04:55:05 GMT, Falkentyne <nospam@verizon.net>
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| Quote: | I just don't know if *now* is the time to buy a P4 3.2 HT (not the
EE), or wait until prescott actually starts shipping in volume and see
how that turns out.
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1 - buy an AMD64 today, even the $225 AMD64 3000 (bottom end) is
faster than the P4 3.2... (HT is not the big boost Intel advertises).
2 - Even the $300~400 AMD64s are faster than the P4-EE in many
games... thats about a $600~700 difference in price.
3 - AMD64 mobos go for $120~190.... but Gigabyte and MSI make some
sweet ones at $140~150.... fully loaded.
4 - AMD board should go up to AMD64 3800~4000. P4 currently is at
the end of its life. Especially with the first Prescotts.
5 - Prescott (P5s) are already noted to included an EVEN longer
pipeline - speculation at 30! Meaning, the first ones will be slower
than the P4s.
| Quote: | I haven't been all that impressed with people getting < 50 FPS in the
very latest games on full detail (without FSAA), with 3+ ghz PC's and
R9800 XT's, though if that's a result of crappy programming, (aka Far
Cry, Deux Ex2, Halo), who's to say...
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Crappy programming... Unreal2 gets around 100fps on my little $70
AMD2500 (1.83Ghz).
| Quote: | I know of some that are going to simply pass over the miniature heater
known as Prescott and wait for Tejas....
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AMD64 - 50watts.
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When 512K of video RAM was a lot!
Death to Palladium & WPA!! |
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Flow
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft |
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Pretty naive since every hardware comes with the needed drivers.Full
potential?
I doubt it.
So what are you smoking? :p
"J.S." <pythonadder@NSCOMMIErocketmail.comMERCE> schreef in bericht
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| Quote: | Flow wrote:
Pfff, you all seem to forget XP is based on previous windows versions.
So you would be surprised how many today's hardware will install
correct on win98.
Not to mention the users who are still on older windows versions for
several reasons.
WindowsXP is certainly not the revolutionairy os that is promised for
so long.
In fact it runs not any better then a fine tuned win98 system.
Keep smoking that crack bud. True we all have different experiences but
with
today's hardware you want win2k or XP not 98. Its 5 years old now for pete
sake, you wanna take the chance your new hardware isn't used to its full
potential? I'd use 98 on older machines sure, as XP can be a resource hog
comparatively but 98 was never a paragon of stability for me when using it
day in/day out with gaming and other hard core usage. Its memory
management
sucks. Got an error? Reboot the machine most likely. The only really truly
stable 98 machines I've ever been around (uptimes in say, 2-4 weeks or
more
on avg.) were machines that weren't used for much more than email,
solitare,
and web surfing.
B.t.w. i got all windows versions.
Im still waiting for that better os to arrive. :s
Some might say its already here.. aka Linux ;)
J.S.
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