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Der Andere
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 Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 5:20 pm Post subject: Problems with K7VTA3 |
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I have a new system with the K7VTA3 mainboard, an Athlon XP 2600+ and 2x 256
MB DDR-RAM (400 MhZ, CL3).
I have this additional hardware: Cybis Geforce FX 5700, 2 harddisks
(connected to secondary IDE) and 1 DVD-ROM and 1 CD-RW (primary IDE). I
checked the jumpers again; they seem to be set right.
OS: Windows XP.
Now all programs I use keep crashing (MS Outlook, Mozilla and Windows
Mediaplayer so far) after some time (I had to write this thread offline). If
the computer is working hard (while installing programs etc.) it resets
itself; this does not happen if the system is idle.
I can imagine several reasons for that problem:
1. Not enough power (this would at least explain the system restarts). The
total power output however is 300 Watt maximally and I was told this is
enough if I do not have too many devices connected.
2. Some damage to the mainboard?
3. Incompatibility of components?
The strange thing is that a friend of mine bought the same mainboard, CPU,
RAM and the same Geforce (though of a different brand). He has even worse
problems, he is not even able to install an OS because the system keeps
telling him this or that file could not be copied to the HD.
Cheers,
Matthias |
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sdlomi2
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| Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Problems with K7VTA3 |
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"Der Andere" <matieuloeschmich@gmx.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have a new system with the K7VTA3 mainboard, an Athlon XP 2600+ and 2x
256
MB DDR-RAM (400 MhZ, CL3).
I have this additional hardware: Cybis Geforce FX 5700, 2 harddisks
(connected to secondary IDE) and 1 DVD-ROM and 1 CD-RW (primary IDE). I
checked the jumpers again; they seem to be set right.
OS: Windows XP.
Now all programs I use keep crashing (MS Outlook, Mozilla and Windows
Mediaplayer so far) after some time (I had to write this thread offline).
If
the computer is working hard (while installing programs etc.) it resets
itself; this does not happen if the system is idle.
I can imagine several reasons for that problem:
1. Not enough power (this would at least explain the system restarts). The
total power output however is 300 Watt maximally and I was told this is
enough if I do not have too many devices connected.
2. Some damage to the mainboard?
3. Incompatibility of components?
The strange thing is that a friend of mine bought the same mainboard, CPU,
RAM and the same Geforce (though of a different brand). He has even worse
problems, he is not even able to install an OS because the system keeps
telling him this or that file could not be copied to the HD.
Cheers,
Matthias
Hi, Matthias, I'll answer your question if you'll answer mine |
below:)..............My money's on the power supply. FROM EXPERIENCE, even
after being told on here not to, I ruined a perfectly good mobo AND cpu by
using a lesser-than-needed, quality power supply. If you could borrow a
good ps with true 400 watts, betcha you'd have your problem solved. I'd
rather have a known good quality 350-watter than a lesser quality
450-watter! But, when buying one for the long run, why stop with the 350,
which may be adequate (barely) when for a few bucks more, you can have a
good-for-future-upgradeable 400-450 watts. (For example, look at these
numbers: it ain't the whole $99 being considered--just the difference
between $39 & $99, which is just $60.!)
One more thing, AMD for some reason, uses more than average amperage
from the 3.3 volt line, so make sure it's got a minimum of 24amps,
preferably 28 amps on this line.
HTH & good luck.......sdlomi |
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do_not_spam_me
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Problems with K7VTA3 |
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"Der Andere" <matieuloeschmich@gmx.net> wrote in message news:<c7ija0$cn9$07$1@news.t-online.com>...
| Quote: | I have a new system with the K7VTA3 mainboard, an Athlon
XP 2600+ and 2x 256 MB DDR-RAM (400 MhZ, CL3).
I have this additional hardware: Cybis Geforce FX 5700, 2
harddisks (connected to secondary IDE) and 1 DVD-ROM and 1
CD-RW (primary IDE).
I can imagine several reasons for that problem:
1. Not enough power (this would at least explain the system
restarts). The total power output however is 300 Watt maximally
and I was told this is enough if I do not have too many devices
connected.
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The only way to tell is by measuring the voltages with an accurate
meter (any digital voltage meter is accurate enough) and verifying
that the +3.3V and +5.0V deviate no more than 3% and the +12V no more
than about 5%. Or try disconnecting the unnecessary hardware, such as
the DVD-ROM, CD-RW, and secondary hard drive, and if reliability
improves then very likely the power supply is inadequate. Since the
K7VTA3 runs the CPU from the +5V lines, the power supply's combined
power capacity (maximum wattage from +3.3V and +5V simultaneously)
must be high enough, especially if the FX 5700 video card doesn't have
a separate power connector. Some brands of 300W supplies are adequate
for this, but with other brands even 400W is not.
| Quote: | 2. Some damage to the mainboard?
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Very unlikely.
| Quote: | 3. Incompatibility of components?
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Sometimes certain memory chips are incompatible, but the K7VTA3 isn't
the most particular motherboard in the world for this. Much more
likely, the memory can be defective, and only overnight testing with
www.memtest86.com or something at least equally good (see
www.realworldtech.com for reviews).
What are the brands and power ratings of your supply and your
friend's? |
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Der Andere
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Problems with K7VTA3 |
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| Quote: | I have a new system with the K7VTA3 mainboard, an Athlon
XP 2600+ and 2x 256 MB DDR-RAM (400 MhZ, CL3).
I have this additional hardware: Cybis Geforce FX 5700, 2
harddisks (connected to secondary IDE) and 1 DVD-ROM and 1
CD-RW (primary IDE).
I can imagine several reasons for that problem:
1. Not enough power (this would at least explain the system
restarts). The total power output however is 300 Watt maximally
and I was told this is enough if I do not have too many devices
connected.
The only way to tell is by measuring the voltages with an accurate
meter (any digital voltage meter is accurate enough) and verifying
that the +3.3V and +5.0V deviate no more than 3% and the +12V no more
than about 5%. Or try disconnecting the unnecessary hardware, such as
the DVD-ROM, CD-RW, and secondary hard drive, and if reliability
improves then very likely the power supply is inadequate. Since the
K7VTA3 runs the CPU from the +5V lines, the power supply's combined
power capacity (maximum wattage from +3.3V and +5V simultaneously)
must be high enough, especially if the FX 5700 video card doesn't have
a separate power connector. Some brands of 300W supplies are adequate
for this, but with other brands even 400W is not.
2. Some damage to the mainboard?
Very unlikely.
3. Incompatibility of components?
Sometimes certain memory chips are incompatible, but the K7VTA3 isn't
the most particular motherboard in the world for this. Much more
likely, the memory can be defective, and only overnight testing with
www.memtest86.com or something at least equally good (see
www.realworldtech.com for reviews).
What are the brands and power ratings of your supply and your
friend's?
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I've tried another power supply I have. I write down everything:
Xilence Power ATX 350W . PFC . CE . P4
+5 V : 25A
+12V: 13A
-5V: 0.3A
-12V: 0.8A
+3.3V: 20A
+5VSB: 2A
+5V & +3.3V: 200W
The problems persisted though. I've tried to install a different OS as I
thought there may be problems with Windows XP. Now the computer even crashes
during the installation. As I had the message MEMORY_FAILURE several times I
suspect there might be a problem with the RAM as well. It is 400Mhz DDR-RAM
but the mobo runs under 333mhz, though I was told that it should work fine.
Thanks so far,
Matthias |
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Der Andere
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Problems with K7VTA3 |
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*snip*
| Quote: | The problems persisted though. I've tried to install a different OS as I
thought there may be problems with Windows XP. Now the computer even
crashes
during the installation. As I had the message MEMORY_FAILURE several times
I
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MEMORY_MANAGEMENT not FAILURE (just saw it again) |
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sdlomi2
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Problems with K7VTA3 |
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"Der Andere" <matieuloeschmich@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:c7lidr$od8$00$1@news.t-online.com...
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*snip*
The problems persisted though. I've tried to install a different OS as I
thought there may be problems with Windows XP. Now the computer even
crashes
during the installation. As I had the message MEMORY_FAILURE several
times
I
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MEMORY_MANAGEMENT not FAILURE (just saw it again)
Hi, Der Andere. I'm not familiar w/the ps you described, but if its |
spec-readings are bona fide, the system should be better than with your 1st
ps. Are you sure you've set the motherboard for 166 fsb(one-half the 333
AMD-rating)? And are you positive you've got your hs/fan on correct & not
backwards: they will likely attach both ways, but only one is correct?
Swapped slots with ram-sticks? Tried just 1 stick of ram? and then just
the other? In each slot? Tried a 3rd, different brand, stick of ram,
PC2700?
One of these trials should eliminate the problem. HTH & good luck.
PS: Keep this in mind: since you & your friend have identical systems,
and are having somewhat identical problems, it sounds like you both have the
same problem. If you built them together, you could've made identical
errors in assembly. Also, you both could be having same incompatability
problems. If you experiment with different, say ram, then borrow some from
other than your friend. |
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sdlomi2
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Problems with K7VTA3 |
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"sdlomi2" <sdlomi2spamfree@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Der Andere" <matieuloeschmich@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:c7lidr$od8$00$1@news.t-online.com...
*snip*
The problems persisted though. I've tried to install a different OS as
I
thought there may be problems with Windows XP. Now the computer even
crashes
during the installation. As I had the message MEMORY_FAILURE several
times
I
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MEMORY_MANAGEMENT not FAILURE (just saw it again)
Hi, Der Andere. I'm not familiar w/the ps you described, but if its
spec-readings are bona fide, the system should be better than with your
1st
ps. Are you sure you've set the motherboard for 166 fsb(one-half the 333
AMD-rating)? And are you positive you've got your hs/fan on correct & not
backwards: they will likely attach both ways, but only one is correct?
Swapped slots with ram-sticks? Tried just 1 stick of ram? and then just
the other? In each slot? Tried a 3rd, different brand, stick of ram,
PC2700?
One of these trials should eliminate the problem. HTH & good luck.
PS: Keep this in mind: since you & your friend have identical systems,
and are having somewhat identical problems, it sounds like you both have
the
same problem. If you built them together, you could've made identical
errors in assembly. Also, you both could be having same incompatability
problems. If you experiment with different, say ram, then borrow some
from
other than your friend.
Sorry: should've read:....."and are having somewhat identical |
*symptoms*, it sounds like you............." |
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do_not_spam_me
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Problems with K7VTA3 |
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"Der Andere" <matieuloeschmich@gmx.net> wrote in message news:<c7li1g$irh$04$1@news.t-online.com>...
| Quote: | Athlon XP 2600+ and 2x 256 MB DDR-RAM (400 MhZ, CL3).
Cybis Geforce FX 5700, 2 harddisks
1 DVD-ROM and 1 CD-RW (primary IDE).
I've tried another power supply I have. I write down everything:
Xilence Power ATX 350W . PFC . CE . P4
+5 V : 25A
+12V: 13A
-5V: 0.3A
-12V: 0.8A
+3.3V: 20A
+5VSB: 2A
+5V & +3.3V: 200W
The problems persisted though. I've tried to install a different
OS as I thought there may be problems with Windows XP. Now
the computer even crashes during the installation. As I had the
message MEMORY_FAILURE several times I suspect there might be a
problem with the RAM as well. It is 400Mhz DDR-RAM but the
mobo runs under 333mhz, though I was told that it should work fine.
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Once more:
1. What readings did you get when you MEASURED the voltages with an
accurate METER? The only way to know if a power supply is working
right is by doing this, and if any of the positive voltages is bad,
nothing else in the computer can be trusted to work.
2. What happened when you tested with all the disk drives but the boot
drive disconnected?
I suspect that Xilence is a low quality power supply because I was
unable to find any information about it, one web site listed it for
less than 30 Euros, its +12V rating is just 13A, and you didn't find
any safety certifications printed on it except CE, which is not
trustworthy. Better certifications are UL ("RU", where the "R" is
backwards), CSA, and TUV, along with their registration numbers, but
these certifications are only for safety, not quality of power.
If your FX5700 video card has an IDE disk drive power connector on it,
be sure to use it or else the 20-pin motherboard power connector may
be overtaxed, especially the sole yellow +12V wire.
What brands of power supplies are available to you? |
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nutso fasst
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Problems with K7VTA3 |
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"Der Andere" <matieuloeschmich@gmx.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Now all programs I use keep crashing (MS Outlook, Mozilla and Windows
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Why did you put the HDDs on IDE channel 1 instead of 0? Do you have boot
device in CMOS set to IDE1?
After installing Windows, did you install the VIA system drivers from the
CD?
Make sure your DIMMs are fully seated. Run some mem testing program.
Go into CMOS setup, PC health section. Leave running for an hour or so and
check the CPU temp. If your CPU runs hotter than 55C you probably need more
cooling.
I have the K7VTA3 (v.6) with Athlon 2500 (Barton), one stick of 512MB PC2100
DDR, Antec 330W PS. Max CPU temp I've seen is 42C. System running rock solid
so far.
I've had a bad video board cause crashes, but they were accompanied by
display problems.
nf |
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