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karlo
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 Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:32 am Post subject: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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hi guys, would be grate if anyone could help:
i bought a notebook, unfortunately xp was pre-installed and there was only one partition (c: on the harddrive, which i didnīt like. in lack of a bootable cd-rom (no floppy drive) i did not manage to do format c:. i played with fdisk (after booting with an old win 98 cd), without any good result. now my harddrive looks like this:
partition: c: 1
status: A
type: PRI DOS
MB: 8
System: FAT12
since i have absolutely no idea anymore how to partiton the harddrive I would like to undo everything i did and have only c:. according to fdisk, c: is now 8MB, so how do i get my computer to understand that c: should have 40000MB and not only 8MB??
any help would be grately appreciated, since, thanks to win mx, i havenīt had one minute of fun with my new notebook. only trouble. 
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John Doue
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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Jason Cothran wrote:
| Quote: | "karlo" <karlo16@gmx-dot-de.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:40b4876c_4@news.athenanews.com...
| hi guys, would be grate if anyone could help:
| i bought a notebook, unfortunately xp was pre-installed and there was
| only one partition (c: on the harddrive, which i didnīt like. in lack
| of a bootable cd-rom (no floppy drive) i did not manage to do format
| c:. i played with fdisk (after booting with an old win 98 cd),
| without any good result. now my harddrive looks like this:
| partition: c: 1
| status: A
| type: PRI DOS
| MB: 8
| System: FAT12
| since i have absolutely no idea anymore how to partiton the harddrive
| I would like to undo everything i did and have only c:. according to
| fdisk, c: is now 8MB, so how do i get my computer to understand that
| c: should have 40000MB and not only 8MB??
| any help would be grately appreciated, since, thanks to win mx, i
| havenīt had one minute of fun with my new notebook. only trouble.
| karlo
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WindowsXP leaves that 8MB space when formatting for the install of XP. The
rest of it is there, you just can't see it because it is an NTFS partition.
What you need is an XP CD image, or of course a bootable restore disk from
your notebook manufacturer. There is no way to make the NTFS partition
visible (that I know of) from a FAT format. It is part of the "security" of
an NTFS partition.
I have no interest in the company but when I want to play with |
partitions, I use PartitionMagic from PowerQuest. But even with PQmagic,
converting an NTFS partition to a Fat32 partition will most often fail.
Getting a CD from your manufacturer, as suggested, is in any way
indispensible, unless you already have an XP disk from other sources.
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Barry Watzman
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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You have really messed things up. Use the mfgrs. system restore disk(s)
(CDs) to put it back the way that it was.
It's clear that you don't have enough knowledge to be doing this type of
thing, but if the partitioning needs to be changed, the best way is with
Partition Magic.
karlo wrote:
| Quote: | hi guys, would be grate if anyone could help:
i bought a notebook, unfortunately xp was pre-installed and there was
only one partition (c: on the harddrive, which i didnīt like. in lack
of a bootable cd-rom (no floppy drive) i did not manage to do format
c:. i played with fdisk (after booting with an old win 98 cd),
without any good result. now my harddrive looks like this:
partition: c: 1
status: A
type: PRI DOS
MB: 8
System: FAT12
since i have absolutely no idea anymore how to partiton the harddrive
I would like to undo everything i did and have only c:. according to
fdisk, c: is now 8MB, so how do i get my computer to understand that
c: should have 40000MB and not only 8MB??
any help would be grately appreciated, since, thanks to win mx, i
havenīt had one minute of fun with my new notebook. only trouble.
karlo
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Jason Cothran
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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"karlo" <karlo16@gmx-dot-de.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:40b4876c_4@news.athenanews.com...
| hi guys, would be grate if anyone could help:
| i bought a notebook, unfortunately xp was pre-installed and there was
| only one partition (c: on the harddrive, which i didnīt like. in lack
| of a bootable cd-rom (no floppy drive) i did not manage to do format
| c:. i played with fdisk (after booting with an old win 98 cd),
| without any good result. now my harddrive looks like this:
| partition: c: 1
| status: A
| type: PRI DOS
| MB: 8
| System: FAT12
| since i have absolutely no idea anymore how to partiton the harddrive
| I would like to undo everything i did and have only c:. according to
| fdisk, c: is now 8MB, so how do i get my computer to understand that
| c: should have 40000MB and not only 8MB??
| any help would be grately appreciated, since, thanks to win mx, i
| havenīt had one minute of fun with my new notebook. only trouble.
| karlo
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WindowsXP leaves that 8MB space when formatting for the install of XP. The
rest of it is there, you just can't see it because it is an NTFS partition.
What you need is an XP CD image, or of course a bootable restore disk from
your notebook manufacturer. There is no way to make the NTFS partition
visible (that I know of) from a FAT format. It is part of the "security" of
an NTFS partition. |
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DaveR
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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On 26 May 2004 08:02:52 -0400, karlo16@gmx-dot-de.no-spam.invalid
(karlo) wrote:
| Quote: | hi guys, would be grate if anyone could help:
i bought a notebook, unfortunately xp was pre-installed and there was
only one partition
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What's wrong with that? Modern systems typically dedicate the entire
hard disk to a single partition. It's not like the old days of DOS and
WIndows98 where you needed separate partitions all over.
But once you went into FDISK you destroyed all data, so the only way
to get it back is to use the manufacturer's recovery disk, assuming
that it is not dependent on some hidden partition on your drive that
you also messed up. Best to give them a call. |
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Good Man
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 2004 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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DaveR <NOSPAM_drubin@NOSPAM_i-2000.com> wrote in
news:iwG1QDUCYTKZiGXaZ215gcg5eBut@4ax.com:
| Quote: | On 26 May 2004 08:02:52 -0400, karlo16@gmx-dot-de.no-spam.invalid
(karlo) wrote:
hi guys, would be grate if anyone could help:
i bought a notebook, unfortunately xp was pre-installed and there was
only one partition
What's wrong with that? Modern systems typically dedicate the entire
hard disk to a single partition. It's not like the old days of DOS and
WIndows98 where you needed separate partitions all over.
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using creative progams like photoshop, and any video editing software....
it's usually a good idea to dedicate a 'cache' type drive for
capturing/editing/writing that you can always clean and keep defragged
quickly.... it improves performance greatly. |
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AndrewJ
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 1:01 am Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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| Quote: | hi guys, would be grate if anyone could help:
i bought a notebook, unfortunately xp was pre-installed and there was
only one partition (c: on the harddrive, which i didnt like. in lack
of a bootable cd-rom (no floppy drive) i did not manage to do format
c:. i played with fdisk (after booting with an old win 98 cd),
without any good result. now my harddrive looks like this:
partition: c: 1
status: A
type: PRI DOS
MB: 8
System: FAT12
since i have absolutely no idea anymore how to partiton the harddrive
I would like to undo everything i did and have only c:. according to
fdisk, c: is now 8MB, so how do i get my computer to understand that
c: should have 40000MB and not only 8MB??
any help would be grately appreciated, since, thanks to win mx, i
havent had one minute of fun with my new notebook. only trouble.
karlo
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How to make your own bootable XP CD:
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/windowstips/story/0,24330,3662519,00.html |
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karlo
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Joined: 26 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 8:37 am Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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hi guys,
thanks a lot for your answers. using the xp cd i now have kind of managed to partition the harddrive with the cd - only that c: remains with 8 MB. thus the os is now installed on d: and i have a worthless c: partition of 8 MB.
i wanted to partition the harddrive in order to also install win2000, because i donīt like xp AT ALL. to me itīs the most normal thing to partition a harddrive and i have never run into troubles like that before xp.
greetings, karlo |
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John Doue
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 10:07 am Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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DaveR wrote:
| Quote: | On 26 May 2004 08:02:52 -0400, karlo16@gmx-dot-de.no-spam.invalid
(karlo) wrote:
hi guys, would be grate if anyone could help:
i bought a notebook, unfortunately xp was pre-installed and there was
only one partition
What's wrong with that? Modern systems typically dedicate the entire
hard disk to a single partition. It's not like the old days of DOS and
WIndows98 where you needed separate partitions all over.
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Plenty in my opinion. Keeping a single huge partition is a recipe for
disaster,it's keeping all your eggs in the same basket. The fact that
machines are delivered this way does not make it right, it just makes it
more simple (read cheaper) for manufacturers.
With only one partition, one mistake or corruption (or MS update gone
wrong...) can make you loose everything. With several partitions (and of
course the corresponding back-ups), risk is much more limited and backup
is easier.
A wiser approach is to dedicate drive c: to the operating system and
data to other partititions. Every one has its own philosophy in this
regard and I will not claim one is better than another. I personally try
to keep strictly c: for the OS and related utilities, d: for data e: for
major programs like Word, Quicken, and so on. I keep a back up of each
partition. And the beauty is, only my data partition needs to be
backed-up regularly, the others much less frequently since they change
less often.
But in the end, it is a free world out there ...
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Jason Cothran
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| Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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"DaveR" <NOSPAM_drubin@NOSPAM_i-2000.com> wrote in message
news:iwG1QDUCYTKZiGXaZ215gcg5eBut@4ax.com...
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| But once you went into FDISK you destroyed all data, so the only way
| to get it back is to use the manufacturer's recovery disk, assuming
| that it is not dependent on some hidden partition on your drive that
| you also messed up. Best to give them a call.
Not true. Going into FDISK does not destroy the partition. The XP NTFS
partition is just not visible from within FDISK booting from a FAT file
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Barry Watzman
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 3:02 am Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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While I agree with you (that one should not use one very large
partition on a large hard drive, in general), in this instance we don't
know the size of the hard drive. For 10 or 20 gigs, one partition is
still reasonable. For 200 gigs, it's not. My own rule (in part because
I still use FAT32 a lot) is to try to hold partitions to 16 gigs in most
cases and 32 gigs is pretty much my max unless there is a specific
reason for a larger one (on my desktop, I have an 80 gig partition for
video editing, where files sometimes exceed 20 gigs (obviously, this is
NTFS)). However, this is a laptop, so it's very possible that the drive
is 30 gigs or less.
John Doue wrote:
| Quote: | DaveR wrote:
On 26 May 2004 08:02:52 -0400, karlo16@gmx-dot-de.no-spam.invalid
(karlo) wrote:
hi guys, would be grate if anyone could help:
i bought a notebook, unfortunately xp was pre-installed and there was
only one partition
What's wrong with that? Modern systems typically dedicate the entire
hard disk to a single partition. It's not like the old days of DOS and
WIndows98 where you needed separate partitions all over.
...
Plenty in my opinion. Keeping a single huge partition is a recipe for
disaster,it's keeping all your eggs in the same basket. The fact that
machines are delivered this way does not make it right, it just makes it
more simple (read cheaper) for manufacturers.
With only one partition, one mistake or corruption (or MS update gone
wrong...) can make you loose everything. With several partitions (and of
course the corresponding back-ups), risk is much more limited and backup
is easier.
A wiser approach is to dedicate drive c: to the operating system and
data to other partititions. Every one has its own philosophy in this
regard and I will not claim one is better than another. I personally try
to keep strictly c: for the OS and related utilities, d: for data e: for
major programs like Word, Quicken, and so on. I keep a back up of each
partition. And the beauty is, only my data partition needs to be
backed-up regularly, the others much less frequently since they change
less often.
But in the end, it is a free world out there ...
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Barry Watzman
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 3:02 am Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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Actually, the NTFS parition IS visible from within FDISK booting from a
FAT file system. It shows up as a "non-DOS" partition, but you CAN see
it, and you can also delete it.
Jason Cothran wrote:
| Quote: | "DaveR" <NOSPAM_drubin@NOSPAM_i-2000.com> wrote in message
news:iwG1QDUCYTKZiGXaZ215gcg5eBut@4ax.com...
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| But once you went into FDISK you destroyed all data, so the only way
| to get it back is to use the manufacturer's recovery disk, assuming
| that it is not dependent on some hidden partition on your drive that
| you also messed up. Best to give them a call.
Not true. Going into FDISK does not destroy the partition. The XP NTFS
partition is just not visible from within FDISK booting from a FAT file
system
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Jason Cothran
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 4:02 am Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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| Actually, the NTFS parition IS visible from within FDISK booting from a
| FAT file system. It shows up as a "non-DOS" partition, but you CAN see
| it, and you can also delete it.
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Odd, I just checked again on four of my NTFS disks, and not a single one is
visible. Must have somethingto do with FDISK version. |
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Jason Cothran
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 4:02 am Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:40B6AAAB.9080300@neo.rr.com...
| Actually, the NTFS parition IS visible from within FDISK booting from a
| FAT file system. It shows up as a "non-DOS" partition, but you CAN see
| it, and you can also delete it.
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| Jason Cothran wrote:
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| > "DaveR" <NOSPAM_drubin@NOSPAM_i-2000.com> wrote in message
| > news:iwG1QDUCYTKZiGXaZ215gcg5eBut@4ax.com...
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| > | But once you went into FDISK you destroyed all data, so the only way
| > | to get it back is to use the manufacturer's recovery disk, assuming
| > | that it is not dependent on some hidden partition on your drive that
| > | you also messed up. Best to give them a call.
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| > Not true. Going into FDISK does not destroy the partition. The XP NTFS
| > partition is just not visible from within FDISK booting from a FAT file
| > system
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Jason Cothran
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 4:02 am Post subject: Re: partinioning the harddrive under xp |
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"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:40B6AAAB.9080300@neo.rr.com...
| Actually, the NTFS parition IS visible from within FDISK booting from a
| FAT file system. It shows up as a "non-DOS" partition, but you CAN see
| it, and you can also delete it.
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And of course the fact still remains, wethether you can see it or not, just
going in to FDISK does noti destroy an NTFS partition. |
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