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stacey
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 Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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dgk wrote:
| Quote: | What do you
think it's going to be like for help desks when everyone is
recompiling and changing stuff? Just great. RedHat 9? and you did what
to the kernel? And you recompiled what?
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How many linux -end users- are recompiling the kernel? I've been using linux
for over 5 years and never saw any need to do it for any reason.
More MS FUD.
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stacey
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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Leadfoot wrote:
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If you decide to go with intel don't let the door bump you on the ***
;-)
I asked for opinions and feedback not A-Hole smart *** coments so if you
have something informative and accurate to add please do so otherwise
keep it to yourself.
You got opinion and feedback. If you can't take a comment meant to be
funny you "may" be a little too thin skinned for usenet.
I shudder to think what we would pay for processors if AMD was to go out
of business.
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About the same if MS ever is able to crush Linux using -shells- like SCO.
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Peter van der Goes
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"J.Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:20031219191148.74ba29d9.jclarke@nospam.invalid...
| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:57:57 -0600
"Peter van der Goes" <p_vandergoes@mars.cox.pluto> wrote:
So let's see, how is it that you've managed to get an MSDN Universal
Subscription for free when the rest of us have to pay 2600 bucks for it?
It's part of the package one receives as part of the MVP Program. |
And, in case you're wondering, acceptance of an MVP award is not based on,
nor does it obligate the recipient to perform any service on behalf of MS. |
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Peter van der Goes
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"RD" <rd@dragon.net> wrote in message
news:bs06fs$dee$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
| Quote: | Hi Peter.
Subscription? sounds to me as if someone is paying somewhere..
Ahh, at college, perhaps you should ask the dean and chapter if they are
paying for that universal subscription:-)
See my reply to J. Clarke on the MSDN. |
As far as MSDNAA is concerned, we (our department) pay $799 per year, which
allows us to distribute a long list of software to faculty and students at
no cost to them. As a professor and administrator of the MSDNAA program
where I teach, I don't have to ask anyone about it. |
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J.Clarke
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| Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:42:17 -0600
"Peter van der Goes" <p_vandergoes@mars.cox.pluto> wrote:
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"RD" <rd@dragon.net> wrote in message
news:bs06fs$dee$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
Hi Peter.
Subscription? sounds to me as if someone is paying somewhere..
Ahh, at college, perhaps you should ask the dean and chapter if they
are paying for that universal subscription:-)
See my reply to J. Clarke on the MSDN.
As far as MSDNAA is concerned, we (our department) pay $799 per year,
which allows us to distribute a long list of software to faculty and
students at no cost to them. As a professor and administrator of the
MSDNAA program where I teach, I don't have to ask anyone about it.
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Would you be kind enough to quote the terms of the license that allow
you to give away Microsoft products?
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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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stacey
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:44 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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Peter van der Goes wrote:
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"RD" <rd@dragon.net> wrote in message
news:bs06fs$dee$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
Hi Peter.
Subscription? sounds to me as if someone is paying somewhere..
See my reply to J. Clarke on the MSDN.
As far as MSDNAA is concerned, we (our department) pay $799 per year,
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So you -are- paying to gain access to their beta software.. Well someone
else is but you -are- paying in one way or another..
| Quote: | which allows us to distribute a long list of software to faculty and
students at no cost to them. As a professor and administrator of the
MSDNAA program where I teach, I don't have to ask anyone about it.
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So you have a license from MS that allows you to freely distribute their
software at no cost?
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p_vandergoes
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 3:57 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"J.Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:20031220111617.40244853.jclarke@nospam.invalid...
| Quote: | On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:42:17 -0600
"Peter van der Goes" <p_vandergoes@mars.cox.pluto> wrote:
Would you be kind enough to quote the terms of the license that allow
you to give away Microsoft products?
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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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How about you Google up "MSDNAA" for yourself and read all about it. It's no
secret. |
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J.Clarke
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:47 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:57:47 -0600
"p_vandergoes" <p_vandergoes@cox.net> wrote:
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"J.Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:20031220111617.40244853.jclarke@nospam.invalid...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:42:17 -0600
"Peter van der Goes" <p_vandergoes@mars.cox.pluto> wrote:
Would you be kind enough to quote the terms of the license that
allow you to give away Microsoft products?
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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
How about you Google up "MSDNAA" for yourself and read all about it.
It's no secret.
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How about you simply provide the quote? You claim to administer the
program, you should be familiar enough with the license to know where to
look.
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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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rstlne
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:51 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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| Quote: | How about you Google up "MSDNAA" for yourself and read all about it.
It's no secret.
How about you simply provide the quote? You claim to administer the
program, you should be familiar enough with the license to know where to
look.
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Why you guys gotta be so silly about this
go here
http://www.msdnaa.net/program/
first link in google |
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stacey
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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rstlne wrote:
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How about you Google up "MSDNAA" for yourself and read all about it.
It's no secret.
How about you simply provide the quote? You claim to administer the
program, you should be familiar enough with the license to know where to
look.
Why you guys gotta be so silly about this
go here
http://www.msdnaa.net/program/
first link in google
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Did -YOU- read the EULA? What this guy is talking about is against the
acceptable use policy. It's NOT a license to freely distribute windows.
http://www.msdnaa.net/programusage.aspx
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Microsoft® Windows® may only be installed to facilitate the use of other
MSDNAA software and technologies such as Microsoft Visual Studio® .NET for
instruction or research.
Any other use is against the EULA.
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Minotaur
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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The Spectre wrote:
| Quote: | Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
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They said that about 32bit when 16bit computing was standard.
Same in the 8bit days, Ditto if you can remember?
| Quote: | The intel P4 overclocks like mad
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True
| Quote: | A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
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Blah, no need when you can do more instructions per second with the
gigahertz you already have.
| Quote: | New P4's will have added instructions
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Guess what, Intel CPUs shall be running AMD 64bit code routines in the
64bit CPUs.
| Quote: | P4 front side bus is bigger
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Well you have to when your CPU isn't like the oppositions Opteron with
it's on die memory controller.
| Quote: | Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
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Well when you get a non-existent P4EE 3.2 running against a XP3200.
Let me guess its not ahead when its not an Extream Edition of the P4?
| Quote: | Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
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IMHO wait another 6 months and see what 64bit CPUs and Motherboards are
around. No point in upgrading to soon to be old 32bit technology, you
should really go read some reviews on 64bit technology. It's needed if
your wishing for cinema quality graphics with fine real world details to
match. Doom, Quake, Half Life, you name it! Certainly wouldn't be around
if we all still used Z80's  |
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Erez Volach
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4g9Eb.14022$6t6.7645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
| Quote: | Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
Errrr... since when XP 2200+ became an "aging" system ? |
sure, there are (AMD) systems running 450 MHz "faster", but one would need a
system that is all-round state of the art to make the claim 3200+ is indeed
45% faster than a 2200+, but then again, a state of the art system (say, a
SATA RAID 0 storage sussystem, dual channel DDR RAM, advanced chipset) with
2200+ would satisfy almost every user but the most extreme gamers or those
hooked on synthetic benchmarks. |
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Andy Yee
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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Gah...Have you learned nothing from these posts??
"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:_cFEb.22369$Mj6.15584@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
| Quote: | However, that said IMHO AMD has got to get
well past the 2Ghz barrier in thier chips as Intel approaches the 4Gz
mark.
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Andy Yee E-Mail: ayee AT mn dot rr dot com
President Home Page: http://home.mn.rr.com/andyyee
New Directions Engineering, Inc.
Godwin's Law: As a USENET thread grows, the probability of a reference
to Hitler or Nazis approaches 1.00.
Corollary: When such a reference is made, it is generally
recognized that the poster has LOST the argument. |
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Art Wakefield
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| Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:43 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"Erez Volach" <ivrit@netvision.net.il> wrote in message
news:3fe5538c$1@news.012.net.il...
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"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4g9Eb.14022$6t6.7645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
Errrr... since when XP 2200+ became an "aging" system ?
sure, there are (AMD) systems running 450 MHz "faster", but one would need
a
system that is all-round state of the art to make the claim 3200+ is
indeed
45% faster than a 2200+, but then again, a state of the art system (say, a
SATA RAID 0 storage sussystem, dual channel DDR RAM, advanced chipset)
with
2200+ would satisfy almost every user but the most extreme gamers or those
hooked on synthetic benchmarks.
I have just such a system. A Gigabyte 7NNXP running a SATA striped RAID 0 |
array and 512MB of DDR 3200. I don't see much that bogs the system down.
The hard drive is usually the bottleneck in a system anyway.
I do graphics, video editing, etc... and have never had the system dog too
much. As a matter of fact, I've never had a dropped frame in video capture.
I don't do much 3D rendering so I can't speak to that. By the benchmarks my
system may be a dog to some, but in the real world it does the job well (and
cost a heckuva lot less than "Intel Inside").
When the 64 drops in price I may upgrade, but that will probably be a while.
Art |
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Gary Colligan
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"rstlne" <.@.> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Quick, fill me in. What is the evil empire up to? Microsoft is trying
to make a reasonable profit by selling software that works fine for
the vast majority of users. They have a vision of what they would like
to see the world do with computers and have Microsoft play a critical
role. Reasonable for any corporation. Ever since Delaware sold us out,
corporations exist for the benefit of the corporation***.
It's probably more along the lines of they are making HUGE HUGE HUGE
profits |
Sounds like Intel  |
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