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The Spectre
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 Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:40 am Post subject: AMD future |
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Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't? |
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LBJGH
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:59 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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1. Well the current P4 3.2 is slower than the Athlon64 3200+.
2. Using 64bit software the P4 will be even more behind.
3. The Athlon doesn't have a FSB per say... but if you want to talk in Intel
terms (i.e. 200mhz fsb quad pumped... not really 800mhz fsb) the Athlon
would be something like 1600mhz fsb.
4. The Athlon64/FX will give you better benchmark results to impress your
friends.
5. The Athlon64/FX can have the multiplier adjusted with software where as
all P4 are multiplier locked.
"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4g9Eb.14022$6t6.7645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
| Quote: | Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
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rstlne
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:08 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4g9Eb.14022$6t6.7645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
| Quote: | Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
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Intel and Microsoft might tend to disagree with you there, 2005 q1 intel
will release their 64 bit chips/chipsets that will work with the amd64
instruction set. Microsoft SHOULD finally roll out Win XP64 q2 of next
year
| Quote: | The intel P4 overclocks like mad
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And they should, at the prices they charge...
| Quote: | A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
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If their chips did less work per clock cycle then maybee it would stay
cooler and they could keep up the gap?.. Raw MHZ isnt that important except
for synthetic benchmarks.
| Quote: | New P4's will have added instructions
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Yea?.. SSE4? or what.. AMD64 will be their next big instruction set to add
| Quote: | P4 front side bus is bigger
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Yea, ?
| Quote: | Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
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Yes they do, the 3200 p4 looks like a GREAT chip.. the EE could be great too
if it wasnt so ***'d expensive.
| Quote: | Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
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Yea, 1st quarter (maybee) for intel and 3rd quarter (maybee) for AMD..
6 months can be a huge time in the processor world so it might make a big
difference.
| Quote: | I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
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Shrug, Via is going to have quad core chips smaller than the athlons/p4's..
Microsoft is working with ibm and they are going to make their own chips
probably (New Rival?)..
New Optical Processors are working NOW and are roughly 1000 times faster
than these speedy p4's that everyone loves to brag about. 1000 times faster
means that this company has probably somewhere along the lines of 5/6 years
to shrink it down so I dont think this love for intel or amd will matter
once that happens. Lets not talk about holographic processors or single
electron processors.. There is something better around the corner all the
time.
the Athlons were far ahead of intels p4 early on and now the p4 3200 can
really do damage compared to amd systems.
But 5 unlock'd 2500+ bartons sell for the same as the p4 3200 ht |
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DaveL
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:31 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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If you can afford the high end Intels then go for it. When considering bang
for the buck, I don't see how anyone could consider a Intel. Have you seen
this? http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927&p=1 It shows a
$120 P4 getting absolutely smoked by an $85 dollar Barton. In mosts of the
tests the P4 was beaten by the lowly $40 Duron.
Oh, one more thing. You can't get an Nforce chipset on an Intel. That's the
clincher for me right there.
Dave
"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4g9Eb.14022$6t6.7645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
| Quote: | Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
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Never anonymous Bud
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:33 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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While still snuggled in a 'spider hole', "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back>
scribbled:
| Quote: | 1. Well the current P4 3.2 is slower than the Athlon64 3200+.
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Invalid statement. WAY too broad.
To reply by email, remove the XYZ.
Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk.
It's your SIG, say what you want to say.... |
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stacey
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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DaveL wrote:
| Quote: | If you can afford the high end Intels then go for it. When considering
bang
for the buck, I don't see how anyone could consider a Intel. Have you
seen
this? http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927&p=1 It shows a
$120 P4 getting absolutely smoked by an $85 dollar Barton. In mosts of
the
tests the P4 was beaten by the lowly $40 Duron.
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No doubt, at the low end of "leftovers", AMD's rule. Intel chips never get
down into the sub $100 level where AMD chips sell for 6 months after they
were selling for $400+ when released. I use them for lots of machines and
they work great. For a performance machine with software you can use today,
on the high end I don't think it's the best route.
Buy the time windows 64 comes out (and linux -apps- are written for 64 bit)
you'll be able to buy an AMD64 for less than $100.
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Wes Newell
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:48 -0500, The Spectre wrote:
| Quote: | Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
So build your Intel system and go away. |
| Quote: | No one needs 64 bit computing
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yep, and in the late 70's no one needed 16bit, and in the 80's no one
needed 32bit. Wise up.
| Quote: | The intel P4 overclocks like mad
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If you say so.
| Quote: | A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome New P4's
will have added instructions P4 front side bus is bigger Most benchmarks
show P4 ahead
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I don't know what you're talking about. There's hundreds of sites that
show the P4 being put to shame by AMD's FX51. I'havent seen one that
procl;aims the P4 to be the winner.
| Quote: | Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
Upcoming doesn't count now and there's no data on it. |
| Quote: | I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
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I know that with AMD, you get what you pay for and more. With Intel, you
pay for name and the blue people and don't get much for your money. $1000
will get you the new P4EE. Go for it, it's not my money.:-)
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Leadfoot
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4g9Eb.14022$6t6.7645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
| Quote: | Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
If you decide to go with intel don't let the door bump you on the *** ;-) |
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The Spectre
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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I asked for opinions and feedback not A-Hole smart *** coments so if you
have something informative and accurate to add please do so otherwise keep
it to yourself.
"Leadfoot" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4g9Eb.14022$6t6.7645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
If you decide to go with intel don't let the door bump you on the *** ;-)
I asked for opinions and feedback not A-Hole smart *** coments so if you |
have something informative and accurate to add please do so otherwise keep
it to yourself. |
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The Spectre
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"Wes Newell" <w.newell@SOSverizon.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.12.18.06.52.10.609158@SOSverizon.net...
| Quote: | On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:40:48 -0500, The Spectre wrote:
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
So build your Intel system and go away.
No one needs 64 bit computing
yep, and in the late 70's no one needed 16bit, and in the 80's no one
needed 32bit. Wise up.
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No YOU WISE up! There is almost ZERO 64 bit software available and by the
time MS releases a 64 bit OS and vendor re-compile or write 64 bit software
it will be 2 years and time to upgrade again!
| Quote: | The intel P4 overclocks like mad
If you say so.
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I don't say so its the countless users overclocking P4 2.4's and 2.6's to
well over 3Ghz and beyond that prove so. Not to mention the 4Ghz systems
floating around the web with proper cooling.
| Quote: | A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome New P4's
will have added instructions P4 front side bus is bigger Most benchmarks
show P4 ahead
I don't know what you're talking about. There's hundreds of sites that
show the P4 being put to shame by AMD's FX51. I'havent seen one that
procl;aims the P4 to be the winner.
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You have not looked hard enough! My point is that they are very close yet
stock yet the P4 CAN overclock whiloe the AMD what you see is what you get.
| Quote: | Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
Upcoming doesn't count now and there's no data on it.
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Pleanty of DATA on it once again You have not looked hard enough!
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I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
I know that with AMD, you get what you pay for and more. With Intel, you
pay for name and the blue people and don't get much for your money. $1000
will get you the new P4EE. Go for it, it's not my money.:-)
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I asked for opinions and feedback not A-Hole smart *** coments so if you
have something informative and accurate to add please do so otherwise keep
it to yourself.
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The Spectre
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
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| Quote: | 1. Well the current P4 3.2 is slower than the Athlon64 3200+.
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Not when you OVERCLOCK it its not!
| Quote: | 2. Using 64bit software the P4 will be even more behind.
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There is almost ZERO 64 bit software available and by the time MS releases a
64 bit OS and vendor re-compile or write 64 bit software it will be 2 years
and time to upgrade again! And that is if MS is not being overly optomistic
about its release which is shure to be buggy as hell in V1.0 .
| Quote: | 3. The Athlon doesn't have a FSB per say... but if you want to talk in
Intel
terms (i.e. 200mhz fsb quad pumped... not really 800mhz fsb) the Athlon
would be something like 1600mhz fsb.
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Not sure about the FSB thing but someone may be able to elaborate on this
comment. However, there are P4's well over 260 FSB and are stable on a day
to day basis not to mention the exotic ones going even higher. From my
understanding the P4 usually tounces the AMD 64s on FSB bandwith, please
correct me if I am wrong.
| Quote: | 4. The Athlon64/FX will give you better benchmark results to impress your
friends.
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Its not benchmarks I am worried about but benchmarks are valid reference
points.
| Quote: | 5. The Athlon64/FX can have the multiplier adjusted with software where
as
all P4 are multiplier locked.
TRUE
"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4g9Eb.14022$6t6.7645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been
AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
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Andy Yee
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:03 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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Uh...you can't overclock the Athlon FX 64's?
Troll.
"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:HnkEb.464$vn2.454
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You have not looked hard enough! My point is that they are very close yet
stock yet the P4 CAN overclock whiloe the AMD what you see is what you get.
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Leadfoot
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:24 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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| Quote: | If you decide to go with intel don't let the door bump you on the ***
;-)
I asked for opinions and feedback not A-Hole smart *** coments so if you
have something informative and accurate to add please do so otherwise keep
it to yourself.
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You got opinion and feedback. If you can't take a comment meant to be funny
you "may" be a little too thin skinned for usenet.
I shudder to think what we would pay for processors if AMD was to go out of
business.
Have a nice day
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Neil
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:20 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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The Spectre wrote:
| Quote: | Hey guys just want to get some feed back. My last 3 comouters have all
been AMD home builts but my next one may not be. I will be building a new
computer to replace my aging 2200+ and I have to say unless something
fantastic happens its gonna be Intel inside.
No one needs 64 bit computing
The intel P4 overclocks like mad
A 1Gz+ gap is getting harder and harder for AMD to overcome
New P4's will have added instructions
P4 front side bus is bigger
Most benchmarks show P4 ahead
Finally, upcomming Prescott on reduced die size
I want to stay with AMD but anyone know something I don't?
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Well you can go a 3000+ A64 for resonable cost with a new board. Persoanlly
I run both platforms a NF2 2500+@3200+ and a p4 2.4@3 gig at 250 fsb, one
advantage of the p4 is it is almost a silent system, the amd is
watercooled or would be too noisey for my liking. |
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~misfit~
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:29 am Post subject: Re: AMD future |
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The Spectre wrote:
| Quote: | If you decide to go with intel don't let the door bump you on the
*** ;-)
I asked for opinions and feedback not A-Hole smart *** coments so if
you have something informative and accurate to add please do so
otherwise keep it to yourself.
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Ohhh, poor boy, can't handle a bit of a ribbing with a smiley after it.
It doesn't matter a *** what you *ask* for on usenet, what you get is what
you get. Live with it.
Maybe he should have said don't let the door hit you in your *well-****
arse. <no smiley>
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