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Bob Hayden
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 Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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My new Dell E520 system is on its way so I can replace my aging dinosaur.
It's had its problems recently, and when I tried to upgrade from Windows 98
to XP it really messed things up and I had to back out of the whole
thing...2 solid days lost fixing that one (it should have upgraded without
too much problem).
At any rate, I have 2 IDE hard disks on my PC with a mountain of data (pics,
video, music, Office files, etc) that I want to transfer. Both optical
drives are now non-functional although I do have a 1 GB flash drive.
However, I woule REALLY like to be able to rip the HD drive out and install
it on the new PC as a slave drive and then copy everything over. However,
the new PC is SATA and the old drives are IDE.
How best/easiest/cheapest can I transfer everything over? Is there an IDE
controller on my new PC and if so how can I access it? Does the DVD burner
run off an IDE controller and if so, can I just disconnect the cable and the
power and connect it to the HD and then reboot and transfer...then shut down
and re-connect the DVD burner?
Thanks for any and all advice. |
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Barry Watzman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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Best way to do this is with this device:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150129128516
[If this is sold, do a search for "USB IDE SATA TRI" ... they are
offered continuously. $6.99 plus $8.99 Internaltional shipping (from
Hong Kong)]
Good news: The device and the seller are both great. And it's dirt cheap.
Bad news: Delivery takes 3 weeks. You can find similar device
domestically but they will cost 2x to 3x as much (PLUS shipping).
You can get little boards that mount on the back of the IDE drives and
convert them to SATA .... about $10-$12.
But, whatever, order one of those devices from Hong Kong. You will want
it someday when you don't have 3 weeks to spare, and it's not going to
exactly break the piggy bank.
Bob Hayden wrote:
| Quote: | My new Dell E520 system is on its way so I can replace my aging dinosaur.
It's had its problems recently, and when I tried to upgrade from Windows 98
to XP it really messed things up and I had to back out of the whole
thing...2 solid days lost fixing that one (it should have upgraded without
too much problem).
At any rate, I have 2 IDE hard disks on my PC with a mountain of data (pics,
video, music, Office files, etc) that I want to transfer. Both optical
drives are now non-functional although I do have a 1 GB flash drive.
However, I woule REALLY like to be able to rip the HD drive out and install
it on the new PC as a slave drive and then copy everything over. However,
the new PC is SATA and the old drives are IDE.
How best/easiest/cheapest can I transfer everything over? Is there an IDE
controller on my new PC and if so how can I access it? Does the DVD burner
run off an IDE controller and if so, can I just disconnect the cable and the
power and connect it to the HD and then reboot and transfer...then shut down
and re-connect the DVD burner?
Thanks for any and all advice.
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Tom Scales
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: RE: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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The simplest approach is to just network the computers. Then you can
copy them across. That's how I setup a new machine (usually).
You might want to fix the CD-ROM too. You can replace it with a DVD
burner for $35.
Tom
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Hayden [mailto:bobhayden@prodigy.net]
Posted At: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 1:07 AM
Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
Conversation: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files
Subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files
Barry, thanks for the positive advice.
Question for you...I'm trying to figure out if this is something I
take
the
old HD out of my old PC and then string it up in the new one with this
adapter, or if it's something I leave in the old PC to do it. The
reason I
am concerned is that the old PC's CD-ROM drive doesn't work so I can't
install the drivers.
"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46661ac3$0$9904$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Best way to do this is with this device:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150129128516
[If this is sold, do a search for "USB IDE SATA TRI" ... they are
offered continuously. $6.99 plus $8.99 Internaltional shipping
(from
Hong Kong)]
Good news: The device and the seller are both great. And it's dirt
cheap.
Bad news: Delivery takes 3 weeks. You can find similar device
domestically but they will cost 2x to 3x as much (PLUS shipping).
You can get little boards that mount on the back of the IDE drives
and
convert them to SATA .... about $10-$12.
But, whatever, order one of those devices from Hong Kong. You will
want
it someday when you don't have 3 weeks to spare, and it's not going
to
exactly break the piggy bank.
Bob Hayden wrote:
My new Dell E520 system is on its way so I can replace my aging
dinosaur.
It's had its problems recently, and when I tried to upgrade from
Windows
98
to XP it really messed things up and I had to back out of the
whole
thing...2 solid days lost fixing that one (it should have upgraded
without
too much problem).
At any rate, I have 2 IDE hard disks on my PC with a mountain of
data
(pics,
video, music, Office files, etc) that I want to transfer. Both
optical
drives are now non-functional although I do have a 1 GB flash
drive.
However, I woule REALLY like to be able to rip the HD drive out
and
install
it on the new PC as a slave drive and then copy everything over.
However,
the new PC is SATA and the old drives are IDE.
How best/easiest/cheapest can I transfer everything over? Is there
an
IDE
controller on my new PC and if so how can I access it? Does the
DVD
burner
run off an IDE controller and if so, can I just disconnect the
cable and
the
power and connect it to the HD and then reboot and transfer...then
shut
down
and re-connect the DVD burner?
Thanks for any and all advice.
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Bob Hayden
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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Barry, thanks for the positive advice.
Question for you...I'm trying to figure out if this is something I take the
old HD out of my old PC and then string it up in the new one with this
adapter, or if it's something I leave in the old PC to do it. The reason I
am concerned is that the old PC's CD-ROM drive doesn't work so I can't
install the drivers.
"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46661ac3$0$9904$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
| Quote: | Best way to do this is with this device:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150129128516
[If this is sold, do a search for "USB IDE SATA TRI" ... they are
offered continuously. $6.99 plus $8.99 Internaltional shipping (from
Hong Kong)]
Good news: The device and the seller are both great. And it's dirt
cheap.
Bad news: Delivery takes 3 weeks. You can find similar device
domestically but they will cost 2x to 3x as much (PLUS shipping).
You can get little boards that mount on the back of the IDE drives and
convert them to SATA .... about $10-$12.
But, whatever, order one of those devices from Hong Kong. You will want
it someday when you don't have 3 weeks to spare, and it's not going to
exactly break the piggy bank.
Bob Hayden wrote:
My new Dell E520 system is on its way so I can replace my aging
dinosaur.
It's had its problems recently, and when I tried to upgrade from Windows
98
to XP it really messed things up and I had to back out of the whole
thing...2 solid days lost fixing that one (it should have upgraded
without
too much problem).
At any rate, I have 2 IDE hard disks on my PC with a mountain of data
(pics,
video, music, Office files, etc) that I want to transfer. Both optical
drives are now non-functional although I do have a 1 GB flash drive.
However, I woule REALLY like to be able to rip the HD drive out and
install
it on the new PC as a slave drive and then copy everything over.
However,
the new PC is SATA and the old drives are IDE.
How best/easiest/cheapest can I transfer everything over? Is there an
IDE
controller on my new PC and if so how can I access it? Does the DVD
burner
run off an IDE controller and if so, can I just disconnect the cable and
the
power and connect it to the HD and then reboot and transfer...then shut
down
and re-connect the DVD burner?
Thanks for any and all advice.
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Bob Hayden
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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Tom and Barry,
Thanks for the input. It will be used just temporarily to transfer the data,
then put back in the old PC, wiped clean and re-formatted, and hopefully it
will become my son's PC to use next fall for school. I figure after doing a
re-format and re-installing things (hmm, first I better fix the optical
drives or buy a new one) that I can install my XP Home upgrade as well.
Bob
"Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:000001c7a7ec$e32917b0$de01a8c0@t9200...
| Quote: | Barry's suggestion is a good one for an occasional use, but if you want
to use it long-term, get an external USB2 case, with fan, in which to
mount the drive.
No support for IDE in the 520 otherwise.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Hayden [mailto:bobhayden@prodigy.net]
Posted At: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:59 PM
Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
Conversation: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files
Subject: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files
My new Dell E520 system is on its way so I can replace my aging
dinosaur.
It's had its problems recently, and when I tried to upgrade from
Windows 98
to XP it really messed things up and I had to back out of the whole
thing...2 solid days lost fixing that one (it should have upgraded
without
too much problem).
At any rate, I have 2 IDE hard disks on my PC with a mountain of data
(pics,
video, music, Office files, etc) that I want to transfer. Both optical
drives are now non-functional although I do have a 1 GB flash drive.
However, I woule REALLY like to be able to rip the HD drive out and
install
it on the new PC as a slave drive and then copy everything over.
However,
the new PC is SATA and the old drives are IDE.
How best/easiest/cheapest can I transfer everything over? Is there an
IDE
controller on my new PC and if so how can I access it? Does the DVD
burner
run off an IDE controller and if so, can I just disconnect the cable
and the
power and connect it to the HD and then reboot and transfer...then
shut
down
and re-connect the DVD burner?
Thanks for any and all advice.
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Tom Scales
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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Barry's suggestion is a good one for an occasional use, but if you want
to use it long-term, get an external USB2 case, with fan, in which to
mount the drive.
No support for IDE in the 520 otherwise.
Tom
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Hayden [mailto:bobhayden@prodigy.net]
Posted At: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:59 PM
Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
Conversation: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files
Subject: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files
My new Dell E520 system is on its way so I can replace my aging
dinosaur.
It's had its problems recently, and when I tried to upgrade from
Windows 98
to XP it really messed things up and I had to back out of the whole
thing...2 solid days lost fixing that one (it should have upgraded
without
too much problem).
At any rate, I have 2 IDE hard disks on my PC with a mountain of data
(pics,
video, music, Office files, etc) that I want to transfer. Both optical
drives are now non-functional although I do have a 1 GB flash drive.
However, I woule REALLY like to be able to rip the HD drive out and
install
it on the new PC as a slave drive and then copy everything over.
However,
the new PC is SATA and the old drives are IDE.
How best/easiest/cheapest can I transfer everything over? Is there an
IDE
controller on my new PC and if so how can I access it? Does the DVD
burner
run off an IDE controller and if so, can I just disconnect the cable
and the
power and connect it to the HD and then reboot and transfer...then
shut
down
and re-connect the DVD burner?
Thanks for any and all advice. |
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Colin Wilson
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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Not a critique on the seller (mine wasn't from him), but I have a
similar adaptor - the PSUs they ship with are abysmal - mine lasted
less than a month.
A quick hack about with an old ATX PSU soon resolved that little
problem though :-p |
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Tom Scales
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: RE: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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If one of the computers is an XPS410/Dimension 9200 or other computer
with integrated gigabit, a crossover cable is not necessary. It will
autodetect.
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Daniels [mailto:TDaniels@NoSpamDot.com]
Posted At: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:53 AM
Posted To: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell
Conversation: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files
Subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files
"Tom Scales" wrote:
The simplest approach is to just network the computers. Then you
can
copy them across. That's how I setup a new machine (usually).
Don't forget to use a cross-over Ethernet cable to connect
the two PCs' Ethernet cards.
*TimDaniels* |
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Timothy Daniels
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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"Tom Scales" wrote:
| Quote: | If one of the computers is an XPS410/Dimension 9200 or other computer
with integrated gigabit, a crossover cable is not necessary. It will
autodetect.
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oOo I hadn't heard of that. Was that function designed
specifically to detect a cross-over cable?
*TimDaniels* |
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Timothy Daniels
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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"Boris" wrote:
| Quote: | "Timothy Daniels" wrote:
"Tom Scales" wrote:
The simplest approach is to just network the computers. Then
you can copy them across. That's how I setup a new machine
(usually).
Don't forget to use a cross-over Ethernet cable to connect
the two PCs' Ethernet cards.
*TimDaniels*
If the machines' NICs were connected with a crossover (or straight
through cable), what would be the next steps? Would the machines
simply show up in each other's Windows Explorer? Would file sharing,
etc., have to be enabled?
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These websites should help with that:
http://www.makeitsimple.com/how-to/simple.htm
http://www.home-network-help.com/crossover.html
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/426
*TimDaniels* |
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RnR
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:19:22 -0400, Barry Watzman
<WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I agree that network transfer would be a viable alternative if the old
computer was functional, but I got the impression that the old computer
(with the old hard drive) was sufficiently scr**ed up that it wouldn't boot.
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I kinda agree with you Barry but IF he can do any network transfer,
he shouldn't even bother with a wireless one because it would take too
long if he truly has a LOT of files. Anyway I think he has enough
posts to help him get the files now. |
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Colin Wilson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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| Quote: | I've bought a dozen of these and not had a problem
But a sample of one doesn't prove or disprove anything.
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True, perhaps i've just been unlucky !
That said, the Hong Kong style 3-pin plug that came with my PSU is
actually illegal in the UK. |
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Barry Watzman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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If you use a crossover cable, you have some additional configuration to
do in software. With just a crossover cable, there is no DHCP server to
assign IP addresses, so everything has to be setup manually. It's not
terribly difficult .... for people who know what to do and how to do it
.... but for the average user, it's impossible.
Boris wrote:
| Quote: | On Jun 5, 11:53 pm, "Timothy Daniels" <TDani...@NoSpamDot.com> wrote:
"Tom Scales" wrote:
The simplest approach is to just network the computers. Then you can
copy them across. That's how I setup a new machine (usually).
Don't forget to use a cross-over Ethernet cable to connect
the two PCs' Ethernet cards.
*TimDaniels*
If the machines' NICs were connected with a crossover (or straight
through cable), what would be the next steps? Would the machines
simply show up in each other's Windows Explorer? Would file sharing,
etc., have to be enabled?
Thanks
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Timothy Daniels
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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"Bob Hayden" wrote:
| Quote: | If I buy this enclosure and take my HD out of my old PC and then
hook it up to the new PC via USB, will it read the drive without
altering it so that after I transfer the info, I can take it out and put
it back in the old PC if I want to and still have everything there?
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Yes. But the cheapest way is to hook the PCs together via
Ethernet and transfer the files via LAN without having to remove
the HD and buy an external USB enclosure for it.
OT: Has anyone tried a USB-to-USB connection?
*TimDaniels* |
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Colin Wilson
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:21 am Post subject: Re: Installing IDE HD to new desktop PC to transfer files |
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| Quote: | OT: Has anyone tried a USB-to-USB connection?
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Not personally, but FWIW and just in case anyone was thinking of
trying this with a standard USB cable - DON'T DO IT...
(I believe it's capable of frying machines)
You can get "proper" USB network cables with an isolating interface in
the middle of the lead quite cheaply that do it though. |
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