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SteveG
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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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Hi all, I'm new to this group but have been using Epson printers for
several years. Just recently I purchased an R265 and so far have been
very pleased with it but tonight I have a problem.
The printer came with a set of S-Vision compatible cartridges. Tonight
the printer reported that the Black one needed replacing so I got out an
identical replacement (same manufacturer) and went through the process
of replacement.
When I got to the ink charging part of the replacement cycle the printer
reported that the new cartridge is incompatible and refused to complete
the cycle. Putting the original cartridge back in results in the same
thing happening - odd, as it's been in the printer for about 6 weeks now.
Oh, and before Measekite goes on about ruining the printer by using
non-original inks - don't bother wearing out your fingers on the
keyboard, It's my printer and I'll do what I want with it. Neither you,
nor Epson, have a right to tell me what consumables to use in it. There,
rant over :-)
Am I missing a trick here? Is there something I need to do to make the
printer think the cartridge is a good one? Have I bought a duff cartridge?
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Regards
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measekite
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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SteveG wrote:
| Quote: | Arthur Entlich wrote:
Just wondering why the printer didn't come with OEM cartridges. Was
it bought used or as a demo?
SG: It was purchased new via the Internet. Epson sell it either with
or without cartridges. The company I purchased it from included a set
of compatibles free of charge (?) which enabled me to make quite a
saving over the high street price of printer with carts.
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Sounds like a sleezy vender who took out the good Epsons carts to resell
separately and put in crap and give you a little discount but since the
carts cost half or more of the printer I guess you got a bad deal.
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I would expect if the first set worked and the replacement was the
same type of cartridge and such, that it should be responded to
similarly. Are you sure you put the correct color in the correct
location, and that the correct model number cartridge was purchased?
Were the replacements ones new or refilled?
SG: I'm still a bit confused as to why one set of compatibles would
work and another not - see my other post. I was only replacing the
black so didn't have a chance to mix them up and put them in the wrong
slots. Of course, the replacement cartridge may not be a black or may
have the wrong chip fitted to it. That might explain why it didn't
work but not why the original (as in first one) worked before but not
now.
Confusing, innit?
Art
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measekite
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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SteveG wrote:
| Quote: | SteveG wrote:
Hi all, I'm new to this group but have been using Epson printers for
several years. Just recently I purchased an R265 and so far have been
very pleased with it but tonight I have a problem.
The printer came with a set of S-Vision compatible cartridges.
Tonight the printer reported that the Black one needed replacing so I
got out an identical replacement (same manufacturer) and went through
the process of replacement.
When I got to the ink charging part of the replacement cycle the
printer reported that the new cartridge is incompatible and refused
to complete the cycle. Putting the original cartridge back in results
in the same thing happening - odd, as it's been in the printer for
about 6 weeks now.
Oh, and before Measekite goes on about ruining the printer by using
non-original inks - don't bother wearing out your fingers on the
keyboard, It's my printer and I'll do what I want with it. Neither
you, nor Epson, have a right to tell me what consumables to use in
it. There, rant over :-)
Am I missing a trick here? Is there something I need to do to make
the printer think the cartridge is a good one? Have I bought a duff
cartridge?
Firstly, many thanks for everyone that responded to my post - even
Measekite. I did some additional digging today by talking to an IT
acquaintance of mine and it appears that Epson have been a bit sneaky
- as is their want.
If the printer was manufactured before 1st March 2007 then it should
work fine with compatible cartridges. If it was manufactured during
March then it may work/may not but if it was manufactured after 1st
April 2007 (naughty date that) it has firmware embedded that will only
recognise Epson branded carts.
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I think that this is great. It helps protect some of their customers
who make poor choices.
| Quote: | The after-market cartridge manufacturers are, apparently, working on a
method of defeating this ...
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It probably will be illegal.
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A quick phone call to Epson UK's tech support this afternoon
(eventually) confirmed this scenario but he wasn't prepared to give
out any details about how the detection is done.
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You really cannot blame them.
| Quote: | My guess is via the chip on the cartridge. According to the serial
number on my printer it was made during the last week of April :-(
Just to make sure the printer wasn't faulty I bought a set of Epson
branded carts this evening and lo-and-behold they work fine.
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Now you are making wise choices. Always use the best ink for your
printer. If you want to use crap ink then get a crap printer. A
lexmark inkjet printer will do the job. |
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SteveG
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges R260 |
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MJW wrote:
| Quote: | " > If the printer was manufactured before 1st March 2007 then it should
work fine with compatible cartridges. If it was manufactured during March
then it may work/may not but if it was manufactured after 1st April 2007
(naughty date that) it has firmware embedded that will only recognise
Epson branded carts. The after-market cartridge manufacturers are,
apparently, working on a method of defeating this ...
I bought an epson r260 refurbished from epson a couple months ago.
I understand this is the USA mod of the r265 Is this correct?
I cannot find a date on it anywhere.
If I use aftermarket carts , how will I know they will work
other than purchase them.?
Thanks
Jim
note meallytech DO NOT respund..
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Hi Jim,
Yes, I think the R260 is the USA version of the 265. I quoted the serial
number to the Epson support technician I was speaking to today and he
told me when it was manufactured. The date isn't on the machine anywhere
I could find.
As far as I can see, the only way to know if after-market carts will
work is to try it and see. Not very scientific, I know :-)
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Denis Scadeng
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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| Quote: | If the printer was manufactured before 1st March 2007 then it should
work fine with compatible cartridges. If it was manufactured during
March then it may work/may not but if it was manufactured after 1st
April 2007 (naughty date that) it has firmware embedded that will only
recognise Epson branded carts. The after-market cartridge manufacturers
are, apparently, working on a method of defeating this ...
A quick phone call to Epson UK's tech support this afternoon
(eventually) confirmed this scenario
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Interesting - I have bought my last Epson printer. Pity, good printer,
crap company.
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TJ
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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measekite wrote:
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SteveG wrote:
If the printer was manufactured before 1st March 2007 then it should
work fine with compatible cartridges. If it was manufactured during
March then it may work/may not but if it was manufactured after 1st
April 2007 (naughty date that) it has firmware embedded that will only
recognise Epson branded carts.
I think that this is great. It helps protect some of their customers
who make poor choices.
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Ah, yes. Kindly, benevolent Epson is doing this for our own good, so
they can protect us from ourselves, knowing that we, the unenlightened
masses are too stupid to make our own decisions. What gut-rot. Nothing,
Measekite, even you, annoys me more. All they really want is for you to
buy only their extravagantly-over-priced ink. The better aftermarket
inks will perform just fine for 90+% of the printing that is done in the
world, but they won't fill out the OEMs' bottom lines.
| Quote: | The after-market cartridge manufacturers are, apparently, working on a
method of defeating this ...
It probably will be illegal.
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It is devices designed solely to prevent users from using consumables
other than OEM that ought to be illegal.
TJ
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Arthur Entlich
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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Is this something new, or is this retailer "unbundling" factory products
and selling parts separately. This was a common practice in New York
City among camera retailers but was stopped by some legislation.
Art
SteveG wrote:
| Quote: | Arthur Entlich wrote:
Just wondering why the printer didn't come with OEM cartridges. Was
it bought used or as a demo?
SG: It was purchased new via the Internet. Epson sell it either with or
without cartridges. The company I purchased it from included a set of
compatibles free of charge (?) which enabled me to make quite a saving
over the high street price of printer with carts.
I would expect if the first set worked and the replacement was the
same type of cartridge and such, that it should be responded to
similarly. Are you sure you put the correct color in the correct
location, and that the correct model number cartridge was purchased?
Were the replacements ones new or refilled?
SG: I'm still a bit confused as to why one set of compatibles would work
and another not - see my other post. I was only replacing the black so
didn't have a chance to mix them up and put them in the wrong slots. Of
course, the replacement cartridge may not be a black or may have the
wrong chip fitted to it. That might explain why it didn't work but not
why the original (as in first one) worked before but not now.
Confusing, innit?
Art
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measekite
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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SteveG wrote:
| Quote: | measekite wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Arthur Entlich wrote:
Just wondering why the printer didn't come with OEM cartridges.
Was it bought used or as a demo?
SG: It was purchased new via the Internet. Epson sell it either with
or without cartridges. The company I purchased it from included a
set of compatibles free of charge (?) which enabled me to make quite
a saving over the high street price of printer with carts.
Sounds like a sleezy vender who took out the good Epsons carts to
resell separately and put in crap and give you a little discount but
since the carts cost half or more of the printer I guess you got a
bad deal.
SG: Not at all. It was obvious that the box had not been opened and
resealed - you can't do that without tearing the waxed coating. Epson
(in the UK) have two different retail packages; one with carts and one
without. As you have no idea how much discount I got by purchasing the
"without" package you have no basis on which to determine if I got a
good deal or not. Trust me ... I did.
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I would imagine that if you add the price of a set of Epson ink carts to
the cost you paid for the printer the sum would be higher than the
complete package.
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I would expect if the first set worked and the replacement was the
same type of cartridge and such, that it should be responded to
similarly. Are you sure you put the correct color in the correct
location, and that the correct model number cartridge was purchased?
Were the replacements ones new or refilled?
SG: I'm still a bit confused as to why one set of compatibles would
work and another not - see my other post. I was only replacing the
black so didn't have a chance to mix them up and put them in the
wrong slots. Of course, the replacement cartridge may not be a black
or may have the wrong chip fitted to it. That might explain why it
didn't work but not why the original (as in first one) worked before
but not now.
Confusing, innit?
Art
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measekite
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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SteveG wrote:
| Quote: | measekite wrote:
SteveG wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Hi all, I'm new to this group but have been using Epson printers
for several years. Just recently I purchased an R265 and so far
have been very pleased with it but tonight I have a problem.
The printer came with a set of S-Vision compatible cartridges.
Tonight the printer reported that the Black one needed replacing so
I got out an identical replacement (same manufacturer) and went
through the process of replacement.
When I got to the ink charging part of the replacement cycle the
printer reported that the new cartridge is incompatible and refused
to complete the cycle. Putting the original cartridge back in
results in the same thing happening - odd, as it's been in the
printer for about 6 weeks now.
Oh, and before Measekite goes on about ruining the printer by using
non-original inks - don't bother wearing out your fingers on the
keyboard, It's my printer and I'll do what I want with it. Neither
you, nor Epson, have a right to tell me what consumables to use in
it. There, rant over :-)
Am I missing a trick here? Is there something I need to do to make
the printer think the cartridge is a good one? Have I bought a duff
cartridge?
Firstly, many thanks for everyone that responded to my post - even
Measekite. I did some additional digging today by talking to an IT
acquaintance of mine and it appears that Epson have been a bit
sneaky - as is their want.
If the printer was manufactured before 1st March 2007 then it should
work fine with compatible cartridges. If it was manufactured during
March then it may work/may not but if it was manufactured after 1st
April 2007 (naughty date that) it has firmware embedded that will
only recognise Epson branded carts.
I think that this is great. It helps protect some of their customers
who make poor choices.
The after-market cartridge manufacturers are, apparently, working on
a method of defeating this ...
It probably will be illegal.
A quick phone call to Epson UK's tech support this afternoon
(eventually) confirmed this scenario but he wasn't prepared to give
out any details about how the detection is done.
You really cannot blame them.
My guess is via the chip on the cartridge. According to the serial
number on my printer it was made during the last week of April :-(
Just to make sure the printer wasn't faulty I bought a set of Epson
branded carts this evening and lo-and-behold they work fine.
Now you are making wise choices. Always use the best ink for your
printer. If you want to use crap ink then get a crap printer. A
lexmark inkjet printer will do the job.
Let me clue you in to something here. I know about the compatible
cartridge industry - which you obviously don't - as I used to be the
Sales Director for a company that recycled old cartridges. There is
nothing inferior or damaging about the ink used, indeed in many cases
it is of superior quality to the branded stuff. The factories where
these cartridges are manufactured are just as high-tech as the branded
ones. You may be surprised to learn that some of these factories
actually produce the branded article too!
As to your points above. No manufacturer has a right to make decisions
for it's customers. How would you react if your car manufacturer said
you have to use their brand of petrol/diesel, and then increased the
price of that fuel by 50%? Ink is a consumable item. It does not
damage the printer - even HP acknowledged that in an open letter to
wholesalers more than 5 years ago.
There is nothing illegal about making a compatible part for anything,
unless it infringes a patent. Don't you think that the printer
manufacturers would have sued the pants off all the compatible makers
by now if they thought they could?
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The CAN. Epson DID. And Epson WON. Now nobody can guage relabeled ink
because the relabeler will not disclose what they are selling and nobody
knows who made it.
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You're right about not blaming the guy for not telling me how it was
done ... but I had to ask :-) They're as entitled to their commercial
secrets as anyone else.
I didn't make a wise choice.
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Thats for sure. You should have bought the complete package. Actually
you should have purchased a Canon IP4300. The printer is better and
gets better ink mileage.
| Quote: | I had no choice. If I wanted to use the printer I had to buy the
branded cartridges ... where's my freedom to choose?
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measekite
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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SteveG wrote:
| Quote: | Frank wrote:
sherwindu wrote:
What makes you think that only Epson is capable of making good
inks? We are not
talking rocket science here.
You're dealing with a know idiot. Meashershithead is brain dead. He
has no idea what you're talking about and not a clue as to what he is
talking about.
Best to kill file his stuck-on-stupid *** and be done with him.
Frank
:-*
What, and take away one of my favourite sports ... fishing :-)
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Branwynn
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:14 am Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in news:k2J7i.5026$u56.2831
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SteveG wrote:
Frank wrote:
sherwindu wrote:
What makes you think that only Epson is capable of making good
inks? We are not
talking rocket science here.
You're dealing with a know idiot. Meashershithead is brain dead. He
has no idea what you're talking about and not a clue as to what he is
talking about.
Best to kill file his stuck-on-stupid *** and be done with him.
Frank
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SteveG
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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measekite wrote:
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I would imagine that if you add the price of a set of Epson ink carts to
the cost you paid for the printer the sum would be higher than the
complete package.
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Then your imagination would be WRONG!!
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SteveG
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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measekite wrote:
| Quote: |
SteveG wrote:
measekite wrote:
SteveG wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Hi all, I'm new to this group but have been using Epson printers
for several years. Just recently I purchased an R265 and so far
have been very pleased with it but tonight I have a problem.
The printer came with a set of S-Vision compatible cartridges.
Tonight the printer reported that the Black one needed replacing so
I got out an identical replacement (same manufacturer) and went
through the process of replacement.
When I got to the ink charging part of the replacement cycle the
printer reported that the new cartridge is incompatible and refused
to complete the cycle. Putting the original cartridge back in
results in the same thing happening - odd, as it's been in the
printer for about 6 weeks now.
Oh, and before Measekite goes on about ruining the printer by using
non-original inks - don't bother wearing out your fingers on the
keyboard, It's my printer and I'll do what I want with it. Neither
you, nor Epson, have a right to tell me what consumables to use in
it. There, rant over :-)
Am I missing a trick here? Is there something I need to do to make
the printer think the cartridge is a good one? Have I bought a duff
cartridge?
Firstly, many thanks for everyone that responded to my post - even
Measekite. I did some additional digging today by talking to an IT
acquaintance of mine and it appears that Epson have been a bit
sneaky - as is their want.
If the printer was manufactured before 1st March 2007 then it should
work fine with compatible cartridges. If it was manufactured during
March then it may work/may not but if it was manufactured after 1st
April 2007 (naughty date that) it has firmware embedded that will
only recognise Epson branded carts.
I think that this is great. It helps protect some of their customers
who make poor choices.
The after-market cartridge manufacturers are, apparently, working on
a method of defeating this ...
It probably will be illegal.
A quick phone call to Epson UK's tech support this afternoon
(eventually) confirmed this scenario but he wasn't prepared to give
out any details about how the detection is done.
You really cannot blame them.
My guess is via the chip on the cartridge. According to the serial
number on my printer it was made during the last week of April :-(
Just to make sure the printer wasn't faulty I bought a set of Epson
branded carts this evening and lo-and-behold they work fine.
Now you are making wise choices. Always use the best ink for your
printer. If you want to use crap ink then get a crap printer. A
lexmark inkjet printer will do the job.
Let me clue you in to something here. I know about the compatible
cartridge industry - which you obviously don't - as I used to be the
Sales Director for a company that recycled old cartridges. There is
nothing inferior or damaging about the ink used, indeed in many cases
it is of superior quality to the branded stuff. The factories where
these cartridges are manufactured are just as high-tech as the branded
ones. You may be surprised to learn that some of these factories
actually produce the branded article too!
As to your points above. No manufacturer has a right to make decisions
for it's customers. How would you react if your car manufacturer said
you have to use their brand of petrol/diesel, and then increased the
price of that fuel by 50%? Ink is a consumable item. It does not
damage the printer - even HP acknowledged that in an open letter to
wholesalers more than 5 years ago.
There is nothing illegal about making a compatible part for anything,
unless it infringes a patent. Don't you think that the printer
manufacturers would have sued the pants off all the compatible makers
by now if they thought they could?
The CAN. Epson DID. And Epson WON. Now nobody can guage relabeled ink
because the relabeler will not disclose what they are selling and nobody
knows who made it.
SG: Well the remanufacturers that I used to deal with are still in |
business; selling refilled carts from the major printer manufacturers
and doing good business too. The plain fact is that the printer
manufacturers sell printers as a loss leader in the fervent hope that
you will buy their overpriced inks for it. This used to work really well
until the Internet enabled the masses to see that they could buy
alternatives at a much lower cost.
HP used to threaten to void printer warranties if you used non-branded
inks or carts on the basis that they would damage the printer. This was
successfully challenged in the European courts as HP was unable to
produce even one case where the ink or non-branded cart had directly
caused a printer to fail. They then sent a letter to all of their staff,
wholesalers and retailers (in Europe) telling them not to tell customers
that they can't use after-market inks or carts.
| Quote: | You're right about not blaming the guy for not telling me how it was
done ... but I had to ask :-) They're as entitled to their commercial
secrets as anyone else.
I didn't make a wise choice.
Thats for sure. You should have bought the complete package. Actually
you should have purchased a Canon IP4300. The printer is better and
gets better ink mileage.
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SG: The point I was making, Dummy, came in the remainder of the
paragraph, which you appear to have ignored. I appreciate ENGLISH isn't
your first language but comprehension is the same in most modern languages.
As to using a Canon printer ... not in a million years. It's personal
choice, after all.
| Quote: | I had no choice. If I wanted to use the printer I had to buy the
branded cartridges ... where's my freedom to choose?
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Steve G |
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Taliesyn
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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SteveG wrote:
| Quote: | measekite wrote:
SteveG wrote:
measekite wrote:
SteveG wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Hi all, I'm new to this group but have been using Epson printers
for several years. Just recently I purchased an R265 and so far
have been very pleased with it but tonight I have a problem.
The printer came with a set of S-Vision compatible cartridges.
Tonight the printer reported that the Black one needed replacing
so I got out an identical replacement (same manufacturer) and went
through the process of replacement.
When I got to the ink charging part of the replacement cycle the
printer reported that the new cartridge is incompatible and
refused to complete the cycle. Putting the original cartridge back
in results in the same thing happening - odd, as it's been in the
printer for about 6 weeks now.
Oh, and before Measekite goes on about ruining the printer by
using non-original inks - don't bother wearing out your fingers on
the keyboard, It's my printer and I'll do what I want with it.
Neither you, nor Epson, have a right to tell me what consumables
to use in it. There, rant over :-)
Am I missing a trick here? Is there something I need to do to make
the printer think the cartridge is a good one? Have I bought a
duff cartridge?
Firstly, many thanks for everyone that responded to my post - even
Measekite. I did some additional digging today by talking to an IT
acquaintance of mine and it appears that Epson have been a bit
sneaky - as is their want.
If the printer was manufactured before 1st March 2007 then it
should work fine with compatible cartridges. If it was manufactured
during March then it may work/may not but if it was manufactured
after 1st April 2007 (naughty date that) it has firmware embedded
that will only recognise Epson branded carts.
I think that this is great. It helps protect some of their
customers who make poor choices.
The after-market cartridge manufacturers are, apparently, working
on a method of defeating this ...
It probably will be illegal.
A quick phone call to Epson UK's tech support this afternoon
(eventually) confirmed this scenario but he wasn't prepared to give
out any details about how the detection is done.
You really cannot blame them.
My guess is via the chip on the cartridge. According to the serial
number on my printer it was made during the last week of April :-(
Just to make sure the printer wasn't faulty I bought a set of Epson
branded carts this evening and lo-and-behold they work fine.
Now you are making wise choices. Always use the best ink for your
printer. If you want to use crap ink then get a crap printer. A
lexmark inkjet printer will do the job.
Let me clue you in to something here. I know about the compatible
cartridge industry - which you obviously don't - as I used to be the
Sales Director for a company that recycled old cartridges. There is
nothing inferior or damaging about the ink used, indeed in many cases
it is of superior quality to the branded stuff. The factories where
these cartridges are manufactured are just as high-tech as the
branded ones. You may be surprised to learn that some of these
factories actually produce the branded article too!
As to your points above. No manufacturer has a right to make
decisions for it's customers. How would you react if your car
manufacturer said you have to use their brand of petrol/diesel, and
then increased the price of that fuel by 50%? Ink is a consumable
item. It does not damage the printer - even HP acknowledged that in
an open letter to wholesalers more than 5 years ago.
There is nothing illegal about making a compatible part for anything,
unless it infringes a patent. Don't you think that the printer
manufacturers would have sued the pants off all the compatible makers
by now if they thought they could?
The CAN. Epson DID. And Epson WON. Now nobody can guage relabeled
ink because the relabeler will not disclose what they are selling and
nobody knows who made it.
SG: Well the remanufacturers that I used to deal with are still in
business; selling refilled carts from the major printer manufacturers
and doing good business too. The plain fact is that the printer
manufacturers sell printers as a loss leader in the fervent hope that
you will buy their overpriced inks for it. This used to work really well
until the Internet enabled the masses to see that they could buy
alternatives at a much lower cost.
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That is correct. The Internet, Ebay, and newsgroups have given us total
freedom to find good alternatives. I've saved several thousand dollars
over the last 10 years by buying non-OEM inks. We know the printers
were sold as loss leaders because often they were priced at the level of
a set of ink cartridges, which more than probably costs less than a buck
to manufacture. Had they priced them more fairly, say $15 US a set there
wouldn't be this need today for alternative inks. But no, they had to
get greedy. Real greedy. This is what happens when there is no
government regulation. Much like gasoline gouging. Sorry, I couldn't
resist ;-)....
| Quote: | HP used to threaten to void printer warranties if you used non-branded
inks or carts on the basis that they would damage the printer. This was
successfully challenged in the European courts as HP was unable to
produce even one case where the ink or non-branded cart had directly
caused a printer to fail. They then sent a letter to all of their staff,
wholesalers and retailers (in Europe) telling them not to tell customers
that they can't use after-market inks or carts.
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They're always looking for new ways to increase their market share of
the ink business... placing ridiculous securitiy devices on cartridges,
which often causes them to read incorrectly or even fail to operate...
threaten consumers with all kind of "scary" pop-up warnings at cartridge
change times...giving away printers at half the ink cartridge cost, etc,
etc, etc. Let me ask you, did you ever see them selling their OEM inks
at 50% off. No. Case closed. It's a money grab.
| Quote: | You're right about not blaming the guy for not telling me how it was
done ... but I had to ask :-) They're as entitled to their commercial
secrets as anyone else.
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Canon doesn't tell you who manufactures their inks. So why should anyone
else. This is normal business practice.
-Taliesyn |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Epson R265 - aftermarket cartridges |
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Taliesyn wrote:
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That is correct. The Internet, Ebay, and newsgroups have given us total
freedom to find good alternatives. I've saved several thousand dollars
over the last 10 years by buying non-OEM inks. We know the printers
were sold as loss leaders because often they were priced at the level of
a set of ink cartridges, which more than probably costs less than a buck
to manufacture. Had they priced them more fairly, say $15 US a set there
wouldn't be this need today for alternative inks. But no, they had to
get greedy. Real greedy. This is what happens when there is no
government regulation. Much like gasoline gouging. Sorry, I couldn't
resist ;-)....
In the US, and probably Canada as well, a significant part of the |
gasoline price is there precisely because the government stepped in and
dictated the change in formulation for summertime driving. Summertime
gas is more expensive to produce. It is the price we pay for "cleaner"
air. Government taxes don't reduce the price any, either.
The printer ink market would be much better served if the government
ignored it completely and didn't approve patents for any little change
in a cartridge or printer. Patents should be reserved for true
innovation. That way, the marketplace would determine the price of ink,
instead of the OEM's holding people hostage with the help of the
governments.
In my experience here in the US, every time the government "helps" us
out with regulation, the prices of things go up.
TJ
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