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MarkČ
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:23 am    Post subject: Ping: Roger and Bill Hilton Reply with quote

I have a question for you regarding over-seas airline travel with the Canon
500 f4.

What carry-on do you use for this lens?
I'm hoping to find a bag that will accomodate this lens along with a number
of other kit items (2 bodies, multiple lenses, etc.), but I know size is
limited for international carry-ons.

You've both mentioned that the 500 was preferable to the 400 2.8 for
carry-on considerations, but I'm interested to hear your packing set-up.

My main question is:
What bag, and what ELSE can you fit with the lens?
Ideally I need something that will allow my small laptop (Sony SZ, 13"
screen, very small).
While the Computrekker will hold the lens...I'm concerned, as my **Rolling**
Computrakker is too large (too deep) to carry on. The non-rolling version
is somewhat thinner, and fits within the 45" limit.

In case it matters...my kit will include:

1D3 (if it arrives...if not, another body)
500 f4 (of course)
5D (with or without grip if necessary)
70-200 2.8 IS
16-35 2.8
24-105 IS
1.4x and 2x
Two 580EXs
100 2.8 macro
Batteries, chargers, etc.
50 1.4 (optional)
Epson P5000
Several small hard drives (small, laptop size)
Laptop

I'll check tripods and some other gear, and will assume I can get away with
the additional bag...my Orion AW for one body, the 70-200, 16-35, and a
mounted lens.

I'm also interested to hear which African airlines you flew with, and what
their carry-on restrictions were.

-I know you've both done this before so I value your input quite highly.
Thanks for any info/experience...

Mark

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Bill Hilton
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Ping: Roger and Bill Hilton Reply with quote

Quote:
"MarkČ" wrote:
I have a question for you regarding over-seas airline travel with the Canon
500 f4.

What carry-on do you use for this lens?

Hi Mark,

As Roger mentioned, the Lowe Pro PhotoTrekker AW is the one, the right
dimensions for carry-on-legal but still enough room for the 500 ...
the larger Lowe Pro bags will often get flagged at the gate since they
are too big.

Quote:
You've both mentioned that the 500 was preferable to the 400 2.8 for
carry-on considerations, but I'm interested to hear your packing set-up.
My main question is:
What bag, and what ELSE can you fit with the lens?

Here are two photos I took for someone last year who had this same Q,
showing how much gear you can fit in ...
http://members.aol.com/bhilton665/tests/W1472.jpg
http://members.aol.com/bhilton665/tests/W1476.jpg

I have a separate hard case for the lens hoods for the 70-200's and
other lenses that I pack in checked baggage.

Quote:
Ideally I need something that will allow my small laptop (Sony SZ, 13"
screen, very small).

The laptop will fit in the outside pocket but then the bag is too deep
to fit in the overhead, so I don't think you can fit a laptop and a
500 f/4 in one bag ...

Quote:
In case it matters...my kit will include:

1D3 (if it arrives...if not, another body)
500 f4 (of course)
5D (with or without grip if necessary)
70-200 2.8 IS
16-35 2.8
24-105 IS
1.4x and 2x

You can get all the above in if you lay the converters on top of the
70-200 (in my pics I have one less lens and have a flash above the
70-200)

Quote:
Two 580EXs
100 2.8 macro
Batteries, chargers, etc.
50 1.4 (optional)
Epson P5000
Several small hard drives (small, laptop size)
Laptop

You can get a couple more batteries in and the Epson P-5000, but not
the flashes or the extra lenses.

Quote:
I'm also interested to hear which African airlines you flew with, and what
their carry-on restrictions were.

Which country are you visiting? If you go to Namibia or South Africa,
you can avoid flying in-country (or at least I did, I just rented a
car and took off ... driving on the wrong side of the road with jet
lag smile.

If you are going to Kenya or Tanzania then I suggest just taking the
major airlines to Nairobi or Arusha (where I've gone the last three
trips) and drive everywhere from there. Our safari outfitter offered
to fly us back from Serengeti to Arusha the last day, which saves 5-7
hours of dusty driving, but because of the weight restrictions we
avoid flying in-country. This simplifies things greatly, at the cost
of a bit more driving.

Botswana and Zambia are the two countries you may have to fly in-
country a lot because of the lack of roads. Many of the lodges have
charter flights on small planes and space is limited, so often the
guests are allowed only 33 lbs total for all their luggage ... the
guys I know who go to Bots often have to buy an extra seat on the
plane just for their gear, and sometimes even that isn't available.
This is one of the three reasons many long-lens photograpers avoid
Bots, as great as the photo opps are ...

Couple of other things ... you can bring a 2nd small bag for your
laptop in almost all European countries. The major exception to this
right now is flying via London because they are strictly limiting it
to one item (even a purse counts as the only allowable one item). But
from the other EU countries you can board with a normal bag and a
small bag for a laptop. I think London will have to conform to EU
rules next fall (not sure about all these details but I think that's
right).

Anyway, we always try to avoid London and go via Amsterdam, in part
for this reason.

Also, with all the gear in the LowePro bag you will be over-weight ...
at Amsterdam on the KLM flights to Arusha the limit was 10 kilos (22
lbs) and our camera bags were 30-35 lbs (wife's is lower). They had a
scale at the gate and were checking people with larger looking bags
but we managed to skate past this without getting weighed ... I had a
vest that I could use for 10 lbs of gear but didn't have to use it ...
but just to warn you, in case you get weighed.

Quote:
-I know you've both done this before so I value your input quite highly.
Thanks for any info/experience...

Mark

Have a good trip.

Bill
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Savageduck
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Ping: Roger and Bill Hilton Reply with quote

Brian wrote:
Quote:
On 24 May 2007 08:24:34 -0700, Bill Hilton <bhilton665@aol.com> wrote:


Hi Brian,

What I read is the date for one common EU policy has slipped to May
2008 at the earliest
and that the UK wants to go to a one-bag carry-on limit but many of
the other countries don't
like this because of all the problems it creates for business
travelers, who want a second
bag for a laptop. So it's still up in the air as to which policy will
win out and when it will be
implemented.

For sure Amsterdam allows two carry-ons (wife was there a few weeks
ago with a camera bag and a laptop bag) ... I'll see what the deal is
in Paris in a couple of weeks but I think London is still the main
connecting point with a firm single-bag rule.

Bill

Hi Bill

The new consultation period is until December 07 with May 08 the date
for introduction of any common rules. The rules are actually secret
and not published in the EU Regulation - the poor citizen has to rely
on what their government chooses to interpret the rule as!

While London is obviously the main connecting point for international
flights, be aware that the one bag limit is a UK government policy
implemented at all UK airports. I've just returned from the US and
the Delta gate staff at Manchester made a special announcement about
the one bag limit to warn returning US passengers.

Enjoy Paris.

Brian

Brian


Just another suggestion, take a look at the Tamrac 613/Super Pro 13
http://www.tamrac.com/613.htm

This is 21x13x11 and can hold most everything you have in mind.

Amsterdam is the better Euro connect with a hotel in the terminal to
help deal with jetlag/layover issues prior to making your African
connection. Or just spend a day or two in Amsterdam (a much better value
than London.)
If you must fly into London for what ever reason. Make your connection
out through Paris, Amsterdam or Frankfurt. Cross the channel via ferry,
hovercraft or train and not worry about the quaint Heathrow outbound
restrictions.
Good luck,
'duck
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