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Sam
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 Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D clone) is
as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
Having owned both cameras I can state that the Samsung JPG algorithm
produces noticeably sharper (yet also smoother) results.
The infamous banding issue of under-exposed images is also reduced - to the
point where RAW files (DNG only on the GX-10) opened in Lightroom eliminate
the phenomenon completely when compared to the same image opened in Silkypix
(Adobe obviously likes its own format)
The menu system is also much improved over the Pentax version - much more
modern and aesthetically pleasing. Build quality is exactly the same - but
the Samsung comes with a 2 year warranty in the UK, and costs only £600 for
the 2 lens kit.
On the subject of the supplied lenses - I had planned to sell both lenses
immediately on ebay (18-55 & 50-200) but they are so sharp and generally
pleasing that I see no need to splash out on anything better at the moment.
I have some considerable experience of various Pentax glass, including the
18-55, 50-200, and a couple of the Limiteds (as well as many others) so I
know what constitutes a good example. There is no reason why the Samsung
brand lenses would be better than the Pentax version - so it appears that
(for once in my life) I got lucky and landed two samples at the better end
of the tolerance range.
All in all I'm a happier camper than I've been for a couple of years trying
cameras from Pentax Nikon and Fuji, now that Samsung have released a battery
grip to fit the slightly deeper grip profile of the GX-10 I see no reason
for buying the Pentax product.
So, if you're debating the merits of the two cameras - buy the Samsung with
confidence - I doubt that you'll be disappointed.
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Sam
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Sam <not@thisaddress.net> wrote:
Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D clone)
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as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
[..]
Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
lenses?
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I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives all
the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first quarter of
2007' - so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously means
that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive. |
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Paul Mitchum
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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Sam <not@thisaddress.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D clone) is
as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
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Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
lenses?
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Sam
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Sam" <not@thisaddress.net> wrote in message
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"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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Wireless flash has been available since 1.10, what Samsung flashes are
you using?
I've bought the Samsung SEF-36PXF, which is an identical clone of the
Pentax AF-360FGZ. It cost £99.99, unlike the Pentax version which goes
for between £150 - £200.
Identical clone??? LOL!
In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after
all,
Rubbish, this is market driven because the big players have in lens
motors.
'Rubbish'? - try not to be so agressive. I, personally, have little
doubt that in-lens motors were Samsung's idea - they know what the market
wants, unlike Pentax who were obliged to constantly reissue dismal
variations of their 6mp *istD until Samsung put some money into the pot.
And all yours did not work properly?
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You mean that there *are* some K10D's that meter properly and produce
images without those attractive noise patterns?!! - amazing, what an
astonishing world we live in! (snigger)
| Quote: | Endless product delays are another Pentax specialty (645D,
nyone?....) - perhaps, this time, prompted by the fact that they are on
the brink of going out of the camera business for good.
Link to this "proof"??
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I daresay that you're the sort of clueless fool who would demand to see the
hole in the Titanic's side before getting into a lifeboat - for most people,
at least those with a minimum of three correctly functioning brain cells,
the writing is on the wall and it's extremely legible ;)
At the moment Pentax is standing on the corner like a Tokyo tart, just
waiting for someone to buy her.........I suppose you could say that Pentax
is well and truly shagged bwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! |
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Sam
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Sam" <not@thisaddress.net> wrote in message
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"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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All I can say, having bought a GX-10, is that their stated goal to be a
major player in this market should not be dismissed lightly - they've
made some significant improvements to the K10D and now seem to getting
the message that purchasers of this type of product require firmware
updates and accessories.
Here you go again, "they've made some significant improvements to the
K10D"
just what are these "significant improvements to the K10D"???
OK, my little simian, it's holiday time in the UK (I know because it's
cold and raining) and I'm off to get lot's of lovely pics for you to
salivate over (note!! - *only* 'salivation' is permitted!!) when I get
back.
Meanwhile, I'll let you into the secret world of the Samsung GX-10, and
it's superiority over the humble K10D.
Firstly, the jpg's are great - really good, and considerably better than
those smudged things that Pentax laughingly call jpg's. That's because
of the Samsung algorithm, of course.
Secondly, let's talk about banding (or 'Vertical Pattern Noise', as you
Pentax types like to call it) VPN can be coaxed out of the Samsung, and
it's noticeable when the DNG is converted in Silkypix.
However, open the same DNG in Lightroom and the pesky VPN vanishes faster
than an Irishman from a temperance meeting. It's gone, vanished, exited,
disappeared.
Oddly, the same thing doesn't happen when you open a DNG from a K10 in
Lightroom. I dunno why, it should behave the same way, but it doesn't.
Thirdly, GX-10 noise at higher ISO's (say 800 and above) is remarkably
free from colouring. Not as 'grey' as noise produced by the Fuji S5,
admittedly, but a *** sight better than the multi-coloured speckles that
make so many K10D images look like something conjured up on an acid trip.
I've read the reviews stating that IQ from the K10 and the GX10 is the
same - and all I can think is that the lazy buggers were too idle to
actually shoot with the Samsung, assuming that the IQ *would* be the same
because of the similarity of the two cameras. Which, happily for me, is
not the case.
So. Monkey, as you entertain the cinema queues with your capering this
weekend, you can dwell on those points - perhaps it will encourage you to
rattle you collecting tin with even more gusto than usual, in the hope
that you also might be able to buy one of these Samsung wunder-cams.
LOL. Sam, I think you have a problem, I will leave you to sort yourself
out. Cheers.
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Whaaaaaat!! - spanked already!!!, I thought you fancied yourself as
something of a flame warrior? |
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RichA
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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On May 4, 6:39 pm, Charlie Self <charlie...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On May 4, 12:36?pm, RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 4, 9:15 am, Charlie Self <charlie...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 4, 9:02?am, John Bean <waterf...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4 May 2007 04:36:33 -0700, Charlie Self
charlie...@gmail.com> wrote:
I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. ?That's
at B&H. Not for me.
Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the
US.
That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
DA50-200 on my DS.
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John Bean
John: Is the swing that great? When the rebate is knocked off, we're
talking about a $200 difference for essentially the same product.
Certainly, if I could get a GX10 for $200 less than the Pentax, I'd be
at least poised to leap, even though I don't really have the hots for
either one...but at $600!
Of course, the OP was writing about either pounds or euros, both of
which are worth more than the buck. And his cost was $1,195. Argh!
Ouch. That's my wallet screaming in commiseration. I'm complaining
about, essentially, an $825 K10D. I apologize.
For whatever reason, that Samsung is MIA, where exactly can you find
stock in the U.S.? ?Kind of hard ?to sell vapourware.
Reminds me of the Olympus E-400 debacle.- Hide quoted text -
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***! I was just at a camera show, didn't see the thing at the
Samsung booth. Would have been nice to compare it directly to the
Pentax. |
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Sam
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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"John Bean" <waterfoot@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 5 May 2007 21:34:26 +1000, "Pete D" <no@email.com
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The price difference in the UK is probably the only thing
he said that was actually correct.
Yep. But it's a valid reason to go the Samsung route if
you're not brand-sensitive. The rest was drivel, not worth
the effort of responding.
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Acshully, it wasn't drivel, nor was it meant to start a flame-fest. bit to
give an honest opinion of two closely related cameras.
The Samsung *does* produce superior jpg's to the K10D, and the banding issue
*is* virtually non-existent with the GX-10.
You may not wish/choose to believe it - but it remains the truth,
nonetheless. Unless you have had experience with both cameras, how can you
dismiss it as 'drivel'?
| Quote: | He baited you - he actually said so up front
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Indeed I did - since Pete waded in like a pugnacious ***, I decided to
have some fun with him. That doesn't detract from the accuracy of my
original post, though.
| Quote: | "Never wrestle with a pig - you both get dirty but only the
pig enjoys it."
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I love wallowing in the mire of Usenet - it's almost certainly a deeply
repressed fetishist urge with peculiar sexual overtones..........but when
people like Pete waggle their ***'s so invitingly - what on earth is one
supposed to do!?... |
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ASAAR
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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On Mon, 7 May 2007 23:16:56 +0100, Sam wrote:
| Quote: | Because you're mine, oh yeah" -- Screamin' Jay Hawkins
. . .
I broke a thousand hearts, before I met you
I'll break a thousand more baby, before I am through
I wanna be yours pretty baby, yours and yours alone
I'm here to tell ya honey, that I'm bad to the bone
Bad to the bone
B-B-B-Bad
B-B-B-Bad
B-B-B-Bad
Bad to the bone
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<g> Who's bad? Jay's BAD!!! From the fiction is stranger than
truth is stranger than fiction department :
| Quote: | Musician Screamin' Jay Hawkins was an eccentric man. He wore outlandish
outfits, claimed to practice voodoo and carried a skull named Henry on stage
with him at every gig he played. But when his close friend and official
biographer, Maral Nigolian, learned that Jay Hawkins had 57 children, she
was shocked. After his death last February, Nigolian decided to look for the
children of Screamin' Jay Hawkins to bring them together for a reunion. As
independent producer Alix Spiegel reports, what seemed like a small simple
idea, turned into a full-time occupation. The Website Nigolian posted drew
thousands of responses, most from people who hoped to be connected to the
man, some from people who actually were. The oldest of what soon became
perhaps 75 children, Suki Lee Anne Hawkins remembers mostly her father's
absences. She never knew he had any other children. Another child, Debra Roe,
was 23-years-old before she learned that Screamin' Jay Hawkins was her
father. This summer, Nigolian brought together these two women and some of
the other 33 Hawkins children she has identified. It was a kind if practice for a
bigger reunion she is planning for March. And it was rough. No one could
believe Screamin' Jay had fathered so many.
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ASAAR
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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On Tue, 8 May 2007 00:43:45 +0100, Sam wrote:
| Quote: | I love wallowing in the mire of Usenet - it's almost certainly a deeply
repressed fetishist urge with peculiar sexual overtones..........but when
people like Pete waggle their ***'s so invitingly - what on earth is one
supposed to do!?...
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Umm, turn the other cheek?  |
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Sam
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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Sam, a few brief suggestions for your next venture into Usenet...
1. Learn how to quote/refer to other posts. It's not rocket science.
2. When posting anonymously, you don't have to misspell naughty
words. But if you think it gives you a devil-may-care attitude, go
for it..
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I'm far too well brought up to simply type such things as, You are a
*** twat' - even though you self evidently are.
| Quote: | 3. Don't Lie. (And avoidance of questions gives us the answers.. -
you may need to think about that one.) For instance, it's now very
obvious that you never owned a Pentax K10D.
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Well, you've managed to surprise me! - just *what* makes you think that I
never owned a K10???
| Quote: | Now maybe you should add some more cool words, and say that I'm
"pwned", ok, Mr Credibility?
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Sorry, you'll have to translate - I skipped the Bollox classes in
school.......
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PS - I really liked the part about "I don't actually give a flying
fukc *what* you think", followed by the lengthy, but meaningless,
tirade.
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Since you have emerged from the depths, and are even now peering bleary-eyed
at the river bank, whilst rapidly opening and closing your mouth like a
surprised Carp, it would appear that my technique is actually quite sound  |
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Sam
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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"ASAAR" <caught@22.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 7 May 2007 23:16:56 +0100, Sam wrote:
Because you're mine, oh yeah" -- Screamin' Jay Hawkins
. . .
I broke a thousand hearts, before I met you
I'll break a thousand more baby, before I am through
I wanna be yours pretty baby, yours and yours alone
I'm here to tell ya honey, that I'm bad to the bone
Bad to the bone
B-B-B-Bad
B-B-B-Bad
B-B-B-Bad
Bad to the bone
g> Who's bad? Jay's BAD!!! From the fiction is stranger than
truth is stranger than fiction department :
Musician Screamin' Jay Hawkins was an eccentric man. He wore outlandish
outfits, claimed to practice voodoo and carried a skull named Henry on
stage
with him at every gig he played. But when his close friend and official
biographer, Maral Nigolian.......
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