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Beemer Biker
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 Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:59 am Post subject: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on. Properties
says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of 149. That comes to 40gb
of stuff. I cannot account for it. Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive
shows only 18gb actual in files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn
directory that I cant explorer .
I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it down to the
above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted for files or "dark
matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this uncompressed 149gb SATA drive.
Got rid of that temp directory in "local settings" . There are 300mb of
office setup files that I dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file
and the System Volumn directory that I cant access.
Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade to vista
home premium. |
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CJT
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Beemer Biker wrote:
| Quote: | Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on. Properties
says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of 149. That comes to 40gb
of stuff. I cannot account for it. Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive
shows only 18gb actual in files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn
directory that I cant explorer .
I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it down to the
above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted for files or "dark
matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this uncompressed 149gb SATA drive.
Got rid of that temp directory in "local settings" . There are 300mb of
office setup files that I dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file
and the System Volumn directory that I cant access.
Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade to vista
home premium.
Microsoft has always believed "all your machines are belong to us." I |
imagine that's who is holding the rest hostage.
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Arno Wagner
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Previously Beemer Biker <jstateson@swri.edu> wrote:
| Quote: | Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on. Properties
says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of 149. That comes to 40gb
of stuff. I cannot account for it. Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive
shows only 18gb actual in files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn
directory that I cant explorer .
I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it down to the
above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted for files or "dark
matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this uncompressed 149gb SATA drive.
Got rid of that temp directory in "local settings" . There are 300mb of
office setup files that I dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file
and the System Volumn directory that I cant access.
Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade to vista
home premium.
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Disk space is organized in clusters, for example 4kB in size. The
unused space in tha last cluster is lost in most filesystems, since it
is not too effective and difficult to use it. In fact the only one I
know that does not loose it is RaiserFS.
With larger partitions, the clusters get larger. It is one reason to
partition disks. Now a 149GB single partition set-up would have 64kB
cluster size. 20GB of lost space on average happen with 625'000
files.
An other possibility is lost space due to filesystem problems. MS
filesystems are by far the worst in the industry and tend to have
all sorts of problems, including lost clusters. If the 625k file
number is not realistic, try running a full filesystem check.
Arno |
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Michael Cecil
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker" <jstateson@swri.edu>
wrote:
| Quote: | Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on. Properties
says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of 149. That comes to 40gb
of stuff. I cannot account for it. Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive
shows only 18gb actual in files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn
directory that I cant explorer .
I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it down to the
above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted for files or "dark
matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this uncompressed 149gb SATA drive.
Got rid of that temp directory in "local settings" . There are 300mb of
office setup files that I dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file
and the System Volumn directory that I cant access.
Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade to vista
home premium.
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That System Volume Information folder contains all the Restore Point
information. It can take up a lot of space. You can either add your
account to the security profile for that folder so you can see how much is
in there, or just disable System Restore and it will purge the folder.
I wouldn't install Vista however. It's too clunky and slow. Maybe if
there were some kickass program that would only run under Vista, but even
then I'd think twice.
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Michael Cecil
http://home.roadrunner.com/~macecil/
http://home.roadrunner.com/~safehex/
http://home.roadrunner.com/~macecil/hackingvista/ |
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Andy
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Run a disk usage program such as SC-DiskInfo Standard Edition.
<http://www.bestvistadownloads.com/software/k-disk-usage-t-free-sc-diskinfo-standard-edition-download-ajysiyjm.html>
On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker" <jstateson@swri.edu>
wrote:
| Quote: | Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on. Properties
says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of 149. That comes to 40gb
of stuff. I cannot account for it. Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive
shows only 18gb actual in files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn
directory that I cant explorer .
I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it down to the
above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted for files or "dark
matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this uncompressed 149gb SATA drive.
Got rid of that temp directory in "local settings" . There are 300mb of
office setup files that I dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file
and the System Volumn directory that I cant access.
Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade to vista
home premium.
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Arno Wagner
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Previously Michael Cecil <macecil@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker" <jstateson@swri.edu
wrote:
Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on. Properties
says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of 149. That comes to 40gb
of stuff. I cannot account for it. Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive
shows only 18gb actual in files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn
directory that I cant explorer .
I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it down to the
above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted for files or "dark
matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this uncompressed 149gb SATA drive.
Got rid of that temp directory in "local settings" . There are 300mb of
office setup files that I dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file
and the System Volumn directory that I cant access.
Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade to vista
home premium.
That System Volume Information folder contains all the Restore Point
information. It can take up a lot of space. You can either add your
account to the security profile for that folder so you can see how much is
in there, or just disable System Restore and it will purge the folder.
I wouldn't install Vista however. It's too clunky and slow. Maybe if
there were some kickass program that would only run under Vista, but even
then I'd think twice.
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Good advice. Frankly I don't see efven many games running significanlty
better with Vista. The only ones will be these actually being paid for
by Microsoft. HALO 2 comes to mind. However I found HALO repertitive
and boring rnough after a reasonable start, that I stopped playing it
after seeing the 500th reandomly generated room. To likely HALO 2 is a
waste of time.
All the other games want to target a large market share. Hopefully
this DX10 nonsense will make even more game companies move to OpenGL,
were they are not anymore dependent on the MS fad of the year
and can easily port their stuff to other platforms.
As to Vista in general, it seems the MS business model of
dragging out upgrading Windows to the standards of the
other OSes around has finally run its course with XP. Vista
is either unsuitable for an application or not worth the
upgrade from XP. A pity MS can drop selling XP.
Arno |
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Bob Willard
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Arno Wagner wrote:
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Disk space is organized in clusters, for example 4kB in size. The
unused space in tha last cluster is lost in most filesystems, since it
is not too effective and difficult to use it. In fact the only one I
know that does not loose it is RaiserFS.
With larger partitions, the clusters get larger. It is one reason to
partition disks. Now a 149GB single partition set-up would have 64kB
cluster size. 20GB of lost space on average happen with 625'000
files.
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That huge cluster size would only occur if the HD is formated with FAT32,
which is unlikely. With the NTFS filesystem (far more likely with any
PC that shipped with XP PRO), the cluster size would still be 4KB, so
20GB of missing space would mean roughly 10,000,000 files. Nah.
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Arno Wagner
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Previously Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@trashthis.comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Arno Wagner wrote:
Disk space is organized in clusters, for example 4kB in size. The
unused space in tha last cluster is lost in most filesystems, since it
is not too effective and difficult to use it. In fact the only one I
know that does not loose it is RaiserFS.
With larger partitions, the clusters get larger. It is one reason to
partition disks. Now a 149GB single partition set-up would have 64kB
cluster size. 20GB of lost space on average happen with 625'000
files.
That huge cluster size would only occur if the HD is formated with FAT32,
which is unlikely. With the NTFS filesystem (far more likely with any
PC that shipped with XP PRO), the cluster size would still be 4KB, so
20GB of missing space would mean roughly 10,000,000 files. Nah.
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Hmm. Seems I found incorrect information on the web....
Arno |
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Eric Gisin
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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"Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:59uj6eF2m0ianU1@mid.individual.net...
| Quote: | Previously Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@trashthis.comcast.net> wrote:
That huge cluster size would only occur if the HD is formated with FAT32,
which is unlikely. With the NTFS filesystem (far more likely with any
PC that shipped with XP PRO), the cluster size would still be 4KB, so
20GB of missing space would mean roughly 10,000,000 files. Nah.
Hmm. Seems I found incorrect information on the web....
The story of your life... |
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Jim P Sharma
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Previously Michael Cecil <macecil@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker"
jstateson@swri.edu> wrote:
Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on.
Properties says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of 149.
That comes to 40gb of stuff. I cannot account for it.
Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive shows only 18gb actual in
files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn directory that I
cant explorer .
I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it down
to the above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted for
files or "dark matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this
uncompressed 149gb SATA drive. Got rid of that temp directory in
"local settings" . There are 300mb of office setup files that I
dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file and the System
Volumn directory that I cant access.
Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade
to vista home premium.
That System Volume Information folder contains all the Restore Point
information. It can take up a lot of space. You can either add your
account to the security profile for that folder so you can see how
much is in there, or just disable System Restore and it will purge
the folder.
I wouldn't install Vista however. It's too clunky and slow. Maybe
if there were some kickass program that would only run under Vista,
but even then I'd think twice.
Good advice. Frankly I don't see efven many games running
significanlty better with Vista. The only ones will be these actually
being paid for by Microsoft. HALO 2 comes to mind. However I found
HALO repertitive and boring rnough after a reasonable start, that I
stopped playing it after seeing the 500th reandomly generated room.
To likely HALO 2 is a waste of time.
All the other games want to target a large market share. Hopefully
this DX10 nonsense will make even more game companies move to OpenGL,
were they are not anymore dependent on the MS fad of the year
and can easily port their stuff to other platforms.
As to Vista in general, it seems the MS business model of
dragging out upgrading Windows to the standards of the
other OSes around has finally run its course with XP. Vista
is either unsuitable for an application or not worth the
upgrade from XP. A pity MS can drop selling XP.
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The same mindless claim was made when XP showed up replacing 2K too. |
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bealoid
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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On 3 May, 00:42, "Beemer Biker" <jstate...@swri.edu> wrote:
| Quote: | Got XP Pro computer in from son.
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"from son" = "has had heaven knows what software running on it". The
machine might be trojaned with some bot serving data.
| Quote: | Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade to vista
home premium.
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I'd use something like dban to wipe the drive. Then I'd check the
HPA, and use something to wipe that too. Then I'd use dban again.
Finally, I'd re-install the OS, from a clean source. |
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Arno Wagner
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Previously Jim P Sharma <jps@nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Previously Michael Cecil <macecil@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker"
jstateson@swri.edu> wrote:
Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on.
Properties says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of 149.
That comes to 40gb of stuff. I cannot account for it.
Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive shows only 18gb actual in
files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn directory that I
cant explorer .
I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it down
to the above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted for
files or "dark matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this
uncompressed 149gb SATA drive. Got rid of that temp directory in
"local settings" . There are 300mb of office setup files that I
dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file and the System
Volumn directory that I cant access.
Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff is?
Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we upgrade
to vista home premium.
That System Volume Information folder contains all the Restore Point
information. It can take up a lot of space. You can either add your
account to the security profile for that folder so you can see how
much is in there, or just disable System Restore and it will purge
the folder.
I wouldn't install Vista however. It's too clunky and slow. Maybe
if there were some kickass program that would only run under Vista,
but even then I'd think twice.
Good advice. Frankly I don't see efven many games running
significanlty better with Vista. The only ones will be these actually
being paid for by Microsoft. HALO 2 comes to mind. However I found
HALO repertitive and boring rnough after a reasonable start, that I
stopped playing it after seeing the 500th reandomly generated room.
To likely HALO 2 is a waste of time.
All the other games want to target a large market share. Hopefully
this DX10 nonsense will make even more game companies move to OpenGL,
were they are not anymore dependent on the MS fad of the year
and can easily port their stuff to other platforms.
As to Vista in general, it seems the MS business model of
dragging out upgrading Windows to the standards of the
other OSes around has finally run its course with XP. Vista
is either unsuitable for an application or not worth the
upgrade from XP. A pity MS can drop selling XP.
The same mindless claim was made when XP showed up replacing 2K too.
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Have a look at the details. Some are similar, but many are not.
Arno |
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Alexander Grigoriev
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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"Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:59sso3F2lo8l8U1@mid.individual.net...
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With larger partitions, the clusters get larger. It is one reason to
partition disks. Now a 149GB single partition set-up would have 64kB
cluster size. 20GB of lost space on average happen with 625'000
files.
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Don't know about your disks, but my 750 GB disk has 4 KB clusters. This is
default for NTFS volumes up to 2 TB. |
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Arno Wagner
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Previously Alexander Grigoriev <alegr@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:59sso3F2lo8l8U1@mid.individual.net...
With larger partitions, the clusters get larger. It is one reason to
partition disks. Now a 149GB single partition set-up would have 64kB
cluster size. 20GB of lost space on average happen with 625'000
files.
Don't know about your disks, but my 750 GB disk has 4 KB clusters. This is
default for NTFS volumes up to 2 TB.
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I don't use NTFS. Too unstable and not interoperable. I looked this
up on the web, but aparently got wrong information.
Arno |
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Jim P Sharma
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: Re: disk seems to have only 1/2 the stuff its size says |
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Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Previously Jim P Sharma <jps@nospam.com> wrote:
Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Previously Michael Cecil <macecil@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007 18:42:45 -0500, "Beemer Biker"
jstateson@swri.edu> wrote:
Got XP Pro computer in from son. Not sure what is going on.
Properties says the disk has 109gb free out of a total size of
149. That comes to 40gb of stuff. I cannot account for it.
Highlighting all the NTFS "C:" drive shows only 18gb actual in
files . There is a 1gb swap file and that Volumn directory that I
cant explorer .
I got rid of all restore points and rebooted. That dropped it
down to the above but did not get rid of 20.0 gb of unaccounted
for files or "dark matter" Checkdisk shows no problems on this
uncompressed 149gb SATA drive. Got rid of that temp directory in
"local settings" . There are 300mb of office setup files that I
dont want to delete. Dir/h showed that swap file and the System
Volumn directory that I cant access.
Is there anything else I can do to find where the 20gb+ of stuff
is? Something is not right and it needs to be fixed before we
upgrade to vista home premium.
That System Volume Information folder contains all the Restore
Point information. It can take up a lot of space. You can either
add your account to the security profile for that folder so you
can see how much is in there, or just disable System Restore and
it will purge the folder.
I wouldn't install Vista however. It's too clunky and slow. Maybe
if there were some kickass program that would only run under Vista,
but even then I'd think twice.
Good advice. Frankly I don't see efven many games running
significanlty better with Vista. The only ones will be these
actually being paid for by Microsoft. HALO 2 comes to mind. However
I found HALO repertitive and boring rnough after a reasonable
start, that I stopped playing it after seeing the 500th reandomly
generated room. To likely HALO 2 is a waste of time.
All the other games want to target a large market share. Hopefully
this DX10 nonsense will make even more game companies move to
OpenGL, were they are not anymore dependent on the MS fad of the
year
and can easily port their stuff to other platforms.
As to Vista in general, it seems the MS business model of
dragging out upgrading Windows to the standards of the
other OSes around has finally run its course with XP. Vista
is either unsuitable for an application or not worth the
upgrade from XP. A pity MS can drop selling XP.
The same mindless claim was made when XP showed up replacing 2K too.
Have a look at the details. Some are similar, but many are not.
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