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Maris V. Lidaka Sr. · Guest

I'm starting to scan a roll of film I took about 4 years ago - using Vuescan
on a PC, and scanning with the Minolta Dimage Scan Elite 5400. My result
looks like way too much grain, whether using Vuescan's grain reduction or
Minolta's - the clumps appear to be slightly larger using the Minolta.

A crop from the scan, at 100% and no adjustments whatsoever, is at

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5917886&size=lg

Any solutions? suggestions? to deal with this?

Maris

tomm42 · Guest

On May 1, 11:09 pm, "Maris V. Lidaka Sr." <nemlid...@ameritech.net>
wrote:

Maris V. Lidaka Sr. · Guest

Kodak Advantix 200 film - scanner set for no sharpening. Scanned at the
full 5400dpi.

Maris

tomm42 wrote:

degrub · Guest

Have tried scanning at a lower PPI ?

Looks a bit like ccd noise to me, but it is hard for me to be sure. Do
you have a dark frame to scan from this roll ? Noise Ninja might help.
or multisampling, possibly multiscanning and overlaying.

Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote:

Rob · Guest

Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote:

Alan Browne · Guest

Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote:

Roger S. · Guest

The grain looks fine. If you wanted less grain you'd need to expose
the negative more- too late for that. Using 35mm over APS would also
help. If anything it looks a bit soft- was it in focus?

I'd suggest running noise ninja on the image if you plan to print it
large and the results should be fine.

Maris V. Lidaka Sr. · Guest

Thanks to all. Perhaps I'm just 'hyper' - glad you say the grain looks
fine. I did print out another image from the roll, and the grain was barely
visible. I use NEAT Image myself - started with that and have stuck with
it, but had not applied it to the image posted. Scanned some more today,
using DimageScan - colors a little different, but apparent grain about the
same. Applied NEAT filter in PS - it did help.

The image was in focus - I adjusted contract (Levels), reduced the size and
then sharpened for this result:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5921363

Maris

Roger S. wrote:

Guest · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Dealing with grain

Did you remove the photos? Photo.net says it's a bad link.

Maris V. Lidaka Sr. · Guest

Sorry - I did: I thought the thread to be ended.

They're reposted now at

http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=673019

The one on the left is color-corrected, reduced in size and sharpened for
the web.

The one on the right is as scanned using Vuescan, the Minolta Dimage Scan
Elite 5400 (original model), with no color or tone correction and no
sharpening. A crop from the full scan, of course.

Maris

vance8005@yahoo.com wrote:
> Did you remove the photos? Photo.net says it's a bad link.

Guest · Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Dealing with grain

On May 5, 11:40 pm, "Maris V. Lidaka Sr." <nemlid...@ameritech.net>
wrote:

Maris V. Lidaka Sr. · Guest

Yes - unfortunately it looks normal to me. I suppose that's the nature of
scanning.

The best results seem to come from the slowest film. I shoot negative film,
and my best scans have resulted from Konika Impressa 50 - unfortunately it's
no longer sold though I have a couple of rolls left (I'm saving them for a
very sunny day).

DimageScan has its own "Grain Dissolver", which apparently can be accessed
by Vuescan as well. It works substantially faster using DimageScan than
Vuescan, but the result is about the same and is also about the same as
using Vuescan's own Grain Reduction filter.

Maris

vance8005@yahoo.com wrote:

Roger S. · Guest

The Kodachrome grain looks normal. If' it's too obtrusive for you use
Noise Ninja and/or select the sky and do a gaussian blur.

Guest · Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Dealing with grain

Thanks again, guys. I kinda figured that grain was normal, but I was
hoping for some way to reduce it during the scan anyway. As I
mentioned in the other post, I'm using Noise Ninja now with good
results. Funny thing -- since I've been paying attention to this,
I've been seeing grain/noise in lots and lots of professional images.
It's the kind of thing you really don't notice unless you're looking
for it. Cheers.