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 Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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Ok, we all know the many shortcomings of the TN panels. On the
other hand, they're cheap, they have lots of real estate, and they
game. My question is which manufacturer has the best 22" TN LCD
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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<question> wrote in message
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Ok, we all know the many shortcomings of the TN panels. On the
other hand, they're cheap, they have lots of real estate, and they
game. My question is which manufacturer has the best 22" TN LCD
panel ?
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TFT LCDS are cheap too (a viewsonic 22 lcd less than $250 at costco). I
would never buy a TN LCD. |
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Iyotake
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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I just bought an Acer AL2216W 22" widescreen LCD for $300 Canadian. If you
are stateside, you shouldn't have to pay more about $250 American for this
model, and it is a really nice monitor with lots of easy to use settings :)
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Iyotake |
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Barry Watzman
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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If you mean a passive LCD panel (e.g. not TFT Active Matrix), the answer
is no one. Passive panels ceased being used in laptops and desktop
monitors around 2002. Some are still used in various other "devices",
generally in smaller sizes (usually under 10", if not under 7"). But
you won't find a current production laptop or desktop monitor using a
passive screen.
question wrote:
| Quote: | Ok, we all know the many shortcomings of the TN panels. On the
other hand, they're cheap, they have lots of real estate, and they
game. My question is which manufacturer has the best 22" TN LCD
panel ?
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FKS
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If you mean a passive LCD panel (e.g. not TFT Active Matrix), the answer
is no one. Passive panels ceased being used in laptops and desktop
monitors around 2002. Some are still used in various other "devices",
generally in smaller sizes (usually under 10", if not under 7"). But you
won't find a current production laptop or desktop monitor using a passive
screen.
The TN panel is not passive. It's an active panel that is inferior to the |
TFT in several ways. |
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Michel R. Carleer
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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"FKS" <fks@fks.com> wrote in message news:lPOZh.2201$Xw4.573@newsfe12.lga...
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"Michel R. Carleer" <mcar@ynet.be> wrote in message
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"FKS" <fks@fks.com> wrote in message
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"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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If you mean a passive LCD panel (e.g. not TFT Active Matrix), the
answer is no one. Passive panels ceased being used in laptops and
desktop monitors around 2002. Some are still used in various other
"devices", generally in smaller sizes (usually under 10", if not under
7"). But you won't find a current production laptop or desktop monitor
using a passive screen.
The TN panel is not passive. It's an active panel that is inferior to
the TFT in several ways.
TN, if I am not wrong, means Twisted Nematics. Which a type of liquid
cristal. No mention of how it is driven by the electronics.
TFT, on the other hand, means Thin Film Transistor. Which is how the
liquid cristal is electronically driven. No mention of which liquid
cristal is used.
I don't understand how one can judge that one is inferior or superior to
the other, as the two acronyms mean completely different things?
Read text or look at images from different angles on a TN LCD monitor.
That'll answer your question.
My question in fact is: can't a TN screen be at the same time a TFT? |
As I said, TN is the chemical type of the liquid cristal. TFT on the other
hand refers to the electronics turning the liquid cristal on and off. |
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FKS
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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"Michel R. Carleer" <mcar@ynet.be> wrote in message
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"FKS" <fks@fks.com> wrote in message
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"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4637824e$0$18896$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
If you mean a passive LCD panel (e.g. not TFT Active Matrix), the answer
is no one. Passive panels ceased being used in laptops and desktop
monitors around 2002. Some are still used in various other "devices",
generally in smaller sizes (usually under 10", if not under 7"). But
you won't find a current production laptop or desktop monitor using a
passive screen.
The TN panel is not passive. It's an active panel that is inferior to the
TFT in several ways.
TN, if I am not wrong, means Twisted Nematics. Which a type of liquid
cristal. No mention of how it is driven by the electronics.
TFT, on the other hand, means Thin Film Transistor. Which is how the
liquid cristal is electronically driven. No mention of which liquid
cristal is used.
I don't understand how one can judge that one is inferior or superior to
the other, as the two acronyms mean completely different things?
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Read text or look at images from different angles on a TN LCD monitor.
That'll answer your question. |
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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On Wed, 2 May 2007 00:32:36 +0200, "Michel R. Carleer"
<mcar@ynet.be> wrote:
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My question in fact is: can't a TN screen be at the same time a TFT?
As I said, TN is the chemical type of the liquid cristal. TFT on the other
hand refers to the electronics turning the liquid cristal on and off.
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a-si TFT/TN LCD Active Matrix
Look, the current 22" LCD's are pretty much all TN panels with lousy
colors, poor viewing angles, edge backlight bleeding, and often
mismatched backlight sections. On the other hand they're CHEAP,
FAST, and huge.
I'm just curious if any manufacturer put together one that's
significantly better than the others. |
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Michel R. Carleer
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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"FKS" <fks@fks.com> wrote in message news:9WLZh.1767$Xw4.711@newsfe12.lga...
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"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4637824e$0$18896$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
If you mean a passive LCD panel (e.g. not TFT Active Matrix), the answer
is no one. Passive panels ceased being used in laptops and desktop
monitors around 2002. Some are still used in various other "devices",
generally in smaller sizes (usually under 10", if not under 7"). But you
won't find a current production laptop or desktop monitor using a passive
screen.
The TN panel is not passive. It's an active panel that is inferior to the
TFT in several ways.
TN, if I am not wrong, means Twisted Nematics. Which a type of liquid |
cristal. No mention of how it is driven by the electronics.
TFT, on the other hand, means Thin Film Transistor. Which is how the liquid
cristal is electronically driven. No mention of which liquid cristal is
used.
I don't understand how one can judge that one is inferior or superior to the
other, as the two acronyms mean completely different things? |
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FKS
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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<question> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 2 May 2007 00:32:36 +0200, "Michel R. Carleer"
mcar@ynet.be> wrote:
My question in fact is: can't a TN screen be at the same time a TFT?
As I said, TN is the chemical type of the liquid cristal. TFT on the other
hand refers to the electronics turning the liquid cristal on and off.
a-si TFT/TN LCD Active Matrix
Look, the current 22" LCD's are pretty much all TN panels with lousy
colors, poor viewing angles, edge backlight bleeding, and often
mismatched backlight sections. On the other hand they're CHEAP,
FAST, and huge.
I'm just curious if any manufacturer put together one that's
significantly better than the others.
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I bought an NEC TN 20" LCD 2 years ago and returned it. I always loved NEC
monitors and couldn't believe its washed-out colors and poor viewing angles.
A friend recently bought a Samsung 22" TN LCD, which was more expensive than
other 22" LCDs and he's not too happy. The Samsung TN has nice colors to me
but viewing angles are still limited.
IMO, the best panel is the advanced IPS. Professional level NEC & SONY LCDs
use the panel. My SONY P234b 23" LCD uses it. It's fast, colors are vibrant,
viewing angles are wide, and text looks ultra crisp. The best $1,000 I ever
spent. |
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Barry Watzman
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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Well, for what it's worth, I've bought four "el-cheap" 19" LCDs for
about $100 each ($200 less $100 rebates each ... which I've actually
received, although not without some difficulty in 2 of the 4 cases) ......
And all 4 are fantastic displays, wonderful in all regards (and I'm in
the display industry, and know how to really evaluate a display well).
[In case anyone is wondering, one FujiPlus FP-988D and three Hanns-G
HC194D's]
Not 22", and not widescreen [which I consider God-awful anyway], but
dirt cheap, $100 each (after rebate) give or take $10. And dual input
(VGA/DVI) with built-in speakers.
FKS wrote:
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I bought an NEC TN 20" LCD 2 years ago and returned it. I always loved NEC
monitors and couldn't believe its washed-out colors and poor viewing angles.
A friend recently bought a Samsung 22" TN LCD, which was more expensive than
other 22" LCDs and he's not too happy. The Samsung TN has nice colors to me
but viewing angles are still limited.
IMO, the best panel is the advanced IPS. Professional level NEC & SONY LCDs
use the panel. My SONY P234b 23" LCD uses it. It's fast, colors are vibrant,
viewing angles are wide, and text looks ultra crisp. The best $1,000 I ever
spent.
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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On Tue, 1 May 2007 21:47:38 -0400, "FKS" <fks@fks.com> wrote:
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I bought an NEC TN 20" LCD 2 years ago and returned it. I always loved NEC
monitors and couldn't believe its washed-out colors and poor viewing angles.
A friend recently bought a Samsung 22" TN LCD, which was more expensive than
other 22" LCDs and he's not too happy. The Samsung TN has nice colors to me
but viewing angles are still limited.
IMO, the best panel is the advanced IPS. Professional level NEC & SONY LCDs
use the panel. My SONY P234b 23" LCD uses it. It's fast, colors are vibrant,
viewing angles are wide, and text looks ultra crisp. The best $1,000 I ever
spent.
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Thanks. I've been wondering what the relative quality of that
Samsung was, and I share your opinion of the IPS panels, but I
haven't quite got to the point of spending that much money at this
stage. I'm thinking multi monitors long term and I'm entertaining
the idea of an ugly 22" panel that would handle the real estate
intensive applications like newsreaders and spreadsheets, and also
game well even if the colors suck  |
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FKS
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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<question> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Thanks. I've been wondering what the relative quality of that
Samsung was, and I share your opinion of the IPS panels, but I
haven't quite got to the point of spending that much money at this
stage. I'm thinking multi monitors long term and I'm entertaining
the idea of an ugly 22" panel that would handle the real estate
intensive applications like newsreaders and spreadsheets, and also
game well even if the colors suck ;)
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Get a Viewsonic 22" that Costco sells for $259. I don't know what panel it
uses, but it has crisp text and vibrant colors. Plus, it's fast. |
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Roger (K8RI)
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:19:17 -0800, question wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 1 May 2007 21:47:38 -0400, "FKS" <fks@fks.com> wrote:
I bought an NEC TN 20" LCD 2 years ago and returned it. I always loved NEC
monitors and couldn't believe its washed-out colors and poor viewing angles.
A friend recently bought a Samsung 22" TN LCD, which was more expensive than
other 22" LCDs and he's not too happy. The Samsung TN has nice colors to me
but viewing angles are still limited.
IMO, the best panel is the advanced IPS. Professional level NEC & SONY LCDs
use the panel. My SONY P234b 23" LCD uses it. It's fast, colors are vibrant,
viewing angles are wide, and text looks ultra crisp. The best $1,000 I ever
spent.
Thanks. I've been wondering what the relative quality of that
Samsung was, and I share your opinion of the IPS panels, but I
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This monitor is a Samsung 226BBW. It has the sides viewing angles,
color range and contrast of any monitor I've used so far.
I didn't know Samsung used TN displays as this one isn't.
| Quote: | haven't quite got to the point of spending that much money at this
stage. I'm thinking multi monitors long term and I'm entertaining
the idea of an ugly 22" panel that would handle the real estate
intensive applications like newsreaders and spreadsheets, and also
game well even if the colors suck
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Who makes the best TN 22" LCD ?? |
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On Wed, 2 May 2007 21:13:09 -0400, "FKS" <fks@fks.com> wrote:
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Get a Viewsonic 22" that Costco sells for $259. I don't know what panel it
uses, but it has crisp text and vibrant colors. Plus, it's fast.
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I had that one at home for one night back when they had the coupon.
I almost kept it for gaming, but I took it back because the viewing
angles were so bad, and I hated the buttons. You're right, the text
was very good. They're cheaper now, but I'd like to get a similar
model with a little better build quality. |
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